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Teens seek debate vs. Limbaugh
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | May 13, 2005 | KATE N. GROSSMAN Education Reporter

Posted on 05/13/2005 6:13:11 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Rush Limbaugh said on his nationally syndicated radio show that Evanston Township High School students "don't know anything about World War II" and "they've probably never heard the name Adolf Hitler" because they're so focused on a multicultural curriculum.

Some Evanston kids want to show Limbaugh what they know. They want to debate him on American history.

"I think [a debate] would be great because then we'd prove him wrong and open up his opinion a little bit," Sarah Loeb, an ETHS sophomore, said Thursday.

'Balkanizing this country'

Limbaugh's comments came after he read a Christian Science Monitor article Tuesday that profiled global studies courses required at ETHS. Limbaugh railed against multicultural education generally and singled out the North Shore school.

"What multiculturalists is, is balkanizing this country," Limbaugh said Tuesday. "People are coming here from various parts of the world and they're bringing their cultures with them and the multiculturalists are saying 'your culture is better than the American culture. The American culture is discriminatory, it's racist, sexist, bigot, homophobic.' "

Limbaugh's producer did not return a call on whether Limbaugh would agree to a debate.

"Maybe he might be a little intimidated because I don't know his basis for saying we don't know anything," Sarah said. "But I think he might be interested if he wants to live up to his reputation and back up his ideas so he doesn't look stupid."

All ETHS sophomores choose among several "global perspectives" courses covering the Middle East, Africa, Latin America, Asia and Russia. In the Middle East class, for example, students adopt a new identity for the semester -- a Syrian baker or a medical student in Qatar -- and try to view what's transpiring in the region from that perspective.

In 2003, ETHS won an excellence in international education award from the Asia Society and the Goldman Sachs Foundation. ETHS offers seven languages, including Japanese and Hebrew, and has several clubs with an international flavor, including Model United Nations and Amnesty International. Students and staff also point out that the school requires yearlong courses in U.S. history and Western civilization.

"It's funny to me that someone would say we don't know about World War II -- we live in a large Jewish community," said Jane Biliter, a senior. Each year, the school hosts activities for Holocaust Remembrance Week. "Until 10th grade, all we did was U.S. and European history. It's just so false that what he says is funny."

School officials haven't decided how -- or if -- they intend to respond to Limbaugh.

Tests show he's wrong

"It struck me as incomprehensible that somebody would think multiculturalism antithetical to American values," Supt. Allan Alson said. "I was stunned that he had such certainty that our kids were not knowledgeable about basic American history when in fact our student do extremely well" on standardized tests in that area. "It's a shame he lets his conclusions determine his evidence."

Aaron Becker, who teaches the Middle East class, said his students also are considering sending Limbaugh essays they've written on American history.

"This is a perfect teachable moment," Becker said. "Kids are angry and want to respond by showing they know a lot, that it's not a zero-sum game, that you can learn about more than one history."

Becker said the kids will decide how best to respond.

"It's not even worth responding to," said Aaron Hamilton, a senior. "He has nothing to say about my education and my future. He's just a guy talking on the radio."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: campuscommies; campusradicals; cary; dhpl; education; history; historyeducation; rush; rushlimbaugh
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1 posted on 05/13/2005 6:13:11 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

"I think [a debate] would be great because then we'd prove him wrong and open up his opinion a little bit," Sarah Loeb, an ETHS sophomore, said Thursday."


Skulls full of mush.


2 posted on 05/13/2005 6:15:38 AM PDT by chapin2500 (Revenge is a dish best served cold.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

When US History textbooks have longer sections on Madonna (the singer) than George Washington, I think Limbaugh is safe in his comments.


3 posted on 05/13/2005 6:16:54 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: chapin2500

This would be a laugh.


4 posted on 05/13/2005 6:17:38 AM PDT by demlosers (Rumsfeld: "We don't have an exit strategy, we have a victory strategy.'')
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To: chapin2500
CS Monitor article: A classroom as big as the world***EVANSTON, ILL. – It's the eve of the Iraqi election. And in Aaron Becker's classroom, preparations are in full swing. Israeli hip-hop music plays in the background as the Islamists and the Royalists put finishing touches on promotional materials, and members of the Kurdistan Democratic Party search for Kurdish hats.

Then the speeches begin. Iraqi National Congress representatives plead for a democratic Iraq, a speech by el-Dawa is peppered with Islamic references, and the Iraqi Democratic Party explains why delaying the election six months would allow all Iraqi citizens to participate.

Here at Evanston Township High School, it's a surprisingly typical scene.

Ever since the school instituted a global studies requirement in 1988, international history, culture, and foreign policy have infused the curriculum to an unusual degree. Even the after-school program - with Model United Nations, Islamic Awareness, and Japanese Tea Ceremony - has a global flair.

But that global flair makes the Evanston school somewhat of an anomaly in the United States. The scope of most of the nation's schools remains largely limited to the US - or at least Western civilization...........................***

5 posted on 05/13/2005 6:18:47 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

When kids offer to 'debate' history they only demonstrate their ignorance. 'Debate' what of history? Inflated self-esteem run amok.


6 posted on 05/13/2005 6:20:51 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
somebody would think multiculturalism antithetical to American values

It places other cultures above American culture. I've seen nothing in the little twerp's comments that suggest otherwise.

7 posted on 05/13/2005 6:20:52 AM PDT by Brett66 (W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

My money's on Rush.


8 posted on 05/13/2005 6:21:09 AM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: randog

Mine too.


9 posted on 05/13/2005 6:21:50 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

>>>UN, NYTIMES and the BBC world news... all the markings of blame America first mentality.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0510/p11s02-legn.html

At Evanston, students tend to come from affluent backgrounds, and some are accustomed to discussing current events at home. Even so, many students say the global perspectives classes are having a profound effect on how they see the world.

In Mr. Becker's Middle East class - one of the more popular offerings - students take on a new identity when they begin the semester.

A teen can "become" a Kuwaiti oil magnate, a Lebanese student, or an Israeli settler - complete with a name and a profession. The student maintains that identity for a whole quarter.

"It pushes them to think outside themselves," says Becker, whose classroom is decorated with Middle Eastern pillows, rugs, and art. Most students sit on the floor during class; girls will sometimes borrow a head scarf to wear for a few days.

Rob Fiffer, a junior who took the Middle East course last year, had the role of a Palestinian militant. "I was pro-Israeli settlements," he says of his own political stance. "Now I realize things aren't so black and white."


"It's not surprising that the school has strong participation in Model United Nations, or that, long after their sophomore "global perspectives" year, some students talk about getting daily updates from The New York Times and BBC World News."


10 posted on 05/13/2005 6:21:52 AM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Phantom Lord

which history books?


11 posted on 05/13/2005 6:22:13 AM PDT by voreddy
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To: Pikamax
Rob Fiffer, a junior who took the Middle East course last year, had the role of a Palestinian militant. "I was pro-Israeli settlements," he says of his own political stance. "Now I realize things aren't so black and white."

Once upon a time, I didn't like the taste of Kool-aid -- but now I love it! Please sir, may I have another?

12 posted on 05/13/2005 6:24:24 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: chapin2500

"In 2003, ETHS won an excellence in international education award from the Asia Society and the Goldman Sachs Foundation. ETHS offers seven languages, including Japanese and Hebrew, and has several clubs with an international flavor, including Model United Nations and Amnesty International. Students and staff also point out that the school requires yearlong courses in U.S. history and Western civilization.

Remember, while the vast majority of teens spend their time watching TV and flirting, there is a small minority that does nothing but study hard all the time. They may be liberals due to lack of life experience, but they're by no means dummies.


13 posted on 05/13/2005 6:24:27 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"It's funny to me that someone would say we don't know about World War II -- we live in a large Jewish community," said Jane Biliter, a senior."


That's the ticket Jane. WW11 was fought over the Jews.


The kids best set the ground rules on this "debate".

14 posted on 05/13/2005 6:24:38 AM PDT by G.Mason ( Save the Republic from the shallow, demagogic sectarians.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Maybe he might be a little intimidated because I don't know

Well, there's one spokeskid, Sarah Anonymous (great work, SunTimes), who has proved she can't debate.

HF

15 posted on 05/13/2005 6:28:11 AM PDT by holden (holden awnuhnuh truth, de whole truth, 'n nuttin' but de truth)
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To: G.Mason

When President Reagan died I asked my daughter what they discussed about it in school. She said her Social Studies teacher said that he didn't like Reagan so they weren't going to talk about it. According to the math. This teacher was 13 years old when Reagan left office. Great bleepin' history teacher eh?


16 posted on 05/13/2005 6:28:48 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"It's funny to me that someone would say we don't know about World War II -- we live in a large Jewish community," said Jane Biliter, a senior.

In other words, this is not a typical school at all and in no way representative of public school students in general, but rather a community with a rare cultural focus on education.

I'd still like to find out how much they know about WW2 besides the Holocaust, though.

17 posted on 05/13/2005 6:30:40 AM PDT by thoughtomator ("One cannot say that a law is right simply because it is a law.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Supt. Allan Alson said...."It's a shame he lets his conclusions determine his evidence."

Incorrect. That's what mush minds do.

18 posted on 05/13/2005 6:30:55 AM PDT by demlosers (Rumsfeld: "We don't have an exit strategy, we have a victory strategy.'')
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To: massgopguy

I think Rush should take the kids up...why not...
might serve to get kids all over more interested in learning more of their history.

my 2 cents.


19 posted on 05/13/2005 6:32:05 AM PDT by Tungenchek
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
These offspring of Evanston's North Shore cultural elite snobs and limosine liberals are being cleverly trained not only to be multiculturalists but globalist one-worlders, Ivy-League entrants, dilettante socialists, do-gooders, aspiring NYT journalists and future CFR members.

As Carl Marx and the Hildebeest say "The village will indoctrinate the kids early. The parents won't know or won't care".

Leni

20 posted on 05/13/2005 6:32:17 AM PDT by MinuteGal ("The Marines keep coming. We are shooting, but the Marines won't stop !" (Fallujah Terrorists)
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To: randog; Cincinatus' Wife

Be fun to listen to though, maybe he could do this on his radio show.


21 posted on 05/13/2005 6:32:24 AM PDT by OXENinFLA ("And that [Atomic] bomb is a filibuster" ~~~ Sen. Lieberman 1-4-95)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I'd be all for this. Rush would expose this total lack of knowledge public school kids have on History.

Going to school...can you remember anyone that cared about history (I did)...the mantra was, "why do I need to learn about the past".

He'd wipe the floor with them. Expose them Rush!!


22 posted on 05/13/2005 6:32:56 AM PDT by wallcrawlr ("You are, without question, a liar." posted on 05/12/2005 3:44:38 PM CDT by Dimensio)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"Maybe he might be a little intimidated because I don't know his basis for saying we don't know anything," Sarah said. "But I think he might be interested if he wants to live up to his reputation and back up his ideas so he doesn't look stupid."

The arrogance of high school students who think that their little bit of data they have received from woefully inadequate textbooks makes them more informed than someone who has been around the block a few times is utterly amazing.

23 posted on 05/13/2005 6:33:11 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
So its big news when Limbaugh is thought to be "caught" being wrong about something. I thought Limbaugh was so full of lies and distortions and purposeful misleadings every day of his existence that it couldn't possibly be big news.

Often the left is caught in their own lies by things just like this. You don't demonize a man and brand him a perpetual liar that is wrong about everything and then turn around and make a news story out of one instance where they think they can REALLY prove him wrong. It highlights how the left lies about everything else associated with Limbaugh.
24 posted on 05/13/2005 6:33:48 AM PDT by whereasandsoforth (Stamp out liberals with the big boot of truth)
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To: Pikamax
"....the school has strong participation in Model United Nations...."

I wonder if they practiced selling lunchmoney vouchers for answers to test questions, raping foreign students, or perhaps sexually harassing the staff?

25 posted on 05/13/2005 6:33:57 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

"young skulls full of mush" ping


26 posted on 05/13/2005 6:34:32 AM PDT by dennisw (Richard Thompson songs: http://www.rtlist.net/listen.htm)
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To: massgopguy
Not surprising.


Any career with the word "social" in it seems to to be indicatve of "mind numbed robots".


My appologies for plagerizing ... Rush.

27 posted on 05/13/2005 6:34:40 AM PDT by G.Mason ( Save the Republic from the shallow, demagogic sectarians.)
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To: b4its2late; Recovering_Democrat; Alissa; Pan_Yans Wife; LADY J; mathluv; browardchad; cardinal4; ...

28 posted on 05/13/2005 6:35:25 AM PDT by Born Conservative ("Mr. Chamberlain loves the working man, he loves to see him work" - Winston Churchill)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I hope he does it.


29 posted on 05/13/2005 6:36:54 AM PDT by Bahbah (Something wicked this way comes)
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To: anniegetyourgun
I wonder if they practiced selling lunchmoney vouchers for answers to test questions, raping foreign students, or perhaps sexually harassing the staff?

Or looting the cafeteria, which really did happen at the UN. :D

30 posted on 05/13/2005 6:39:21 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: dd5339

I hope Rush takes them up on the challenge! It ought to be an amusing slaughter of young minds...


31 posted on 05/13/2005 6:40:34 AM PDT by Vic3O3 (Jeremiah 31:16-17 (KJV))
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To: Tungenchek

Rush should be careful with this one. First, we don't know which version of History would be debated - reality or the liberal version. Second, would any rebuttal by Rush simply be considered hate speech and ignored as an example of the politics of personal destruction. And Finally, would the media hail the opinions of these children even greater if Rush tore them apart in the debate. Most liberals come to fame after great failures in their political and cultural past.


32 posted on 05/13/2005 6:40:42 AM PDT by lnbchip
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"All ETHS sophomores choose among several "global perspectives" courses covering the Middle East, Africa, Latin America, Asia and Russia. In the Middle East class, for example, students adopt a new identity for the semester -- a Syrian baker or a medical student in Qatar -- and try to view what's transpiring in the region from that perspective."

(I've underlined my own emphasis, above).

My take is that as long as one does this, but all along maintains one perspective that America is still the greatest, there is nothing wrong with it.

Great training for the intelligence analysts and intelligence operatives of America's future, our high school students. Our enemies in Pyongyang, Beijing, Teheran, elsewhere etc. do the exact reverse.

However, given that the courses in the USA would by default--knowing our educational system in most cases--probably be taught with an anti-US bias/grudge by slanted, guilt-ridden anti-USA liberal teachers, it would be meaningless.

I am all for American high school students learning much more in the way of countries, world politics, languages, cultures, traveling to those nations, and becoming more sophisticated--if at the end of the day IT CAN BE PUT TO USE ON BEHALF OF THE INTERESTS OVERSEAS OF THE AMERICAN EAGLE.

33 posted on 05/13/2005 6:41:45 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (**AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS NOT SO MUCH "WHO" WE STAND FOR, BUT RATHER "WHAT" WE STAND FOR**)
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To: lnbchip

I think he would have to prove that his remarks were accurate...

That to me would be the test...

If they can show that he was wrong in his evaluation..

They would win..


34 posted on 05/13/2005 6:44:13 AM PDT by Tungenchek
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To: dhuffman@awod.com

bttt


35 posted on 05/13/2005 6:47:38 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: VRWCmember

The reason you don't know his basis is because you don't know anything indeed.


36 posted on 05/13/2005 6:51:37 AM PDT by SQUID
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To: anniegetyourgun

HAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAA!!!

Direct Hit! I can't wait to read the list of resolutions they submit against Rush.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to clean cocoa off of my keyboard and my blouse.


37 posted on 05/13/2005 6:54:05 AM PDT by Kitten1 (Look in the nearest mirror, the reflection may surprise you.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"It's not even worth responding to," said Aaron Hamilton, a senior

I agree with Aaron, although I'm sure I would enjoy some kind of an exchange whereby the kids could showcase their knowledge of U.S. history.

38 posted on 05/13/2005 6:55:04 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: whereasandsoforth
I expect there's been a wee bit of coaching from the teachers and administrators of this school about Rush's comments.

Public schools are being exposed for their LIBERALISM and their inadequacies. They're losing the blind public support they've enjoyed for so long.
39 posted on 05/13/2005 6:55:58 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Rush Limbaugh said on his nationally syndicated radio show that Evanston Township High School students "don't know anything about World War II" and "they've probably never heard the name Adolf Hitler" because they're so focused on a multicultural curriculum. ....This entire article is based on these two out-of-context sentence fragments. Does anyone have the actual quote? Was he quoting the CSM article?
40 posted on 05/13/2005 6:56:15 AM PDT by bobsatwork
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

one hand tied behind his back. In a recliner. Holding an adult beverage and making smoke rings with his Hoya. Agreeing to having his questions asked in the form of ancient greek pig-latin yiddish mime text. And spotting them 99 points out of 100. But please, Rush. Say yes. This is probably the first real Life's Lesson they will have been taught. Gawd knows it's long overdue.


41 posted on 05/13/2005 7:03:43 AM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Quick, act casual. If they sense scorn and ridicule, they'll flee..)
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To: bobsatwork

From the CS Monitor article LINKED in Post #5.

***....It's not surprising that the school has strong participation in Model United Nations, or that, long after their sophomore "global perspectives" year, some students talk about getting daily updates from The New York Times and BBC World News......***


42 posted on 05/13/2005 7:04:27 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: SQUID
"Maybe he might be a little intimidated because I don't know his basis for saying we don't know anything," Sarah said.

Yes, Sarah's statement is pretty inane. Rush might be a little intimidated because of what she doesn't know.

43 posted on 05/13/2005 7:04:34 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: bobsatwork

"Was he quoting the CSM article?"

I don't right no articles!

BTW, Rush would win with half his brain tied behind his back.


44 posted on 05/13/2005 7:05:41 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"...then we'd prove him wrong and open up his opinion a little bit," Sarah Loeb, an ETHS sophomore...
Yeah, right. More sophomores willing to educate the rest of us -- that's what the world needs.
45 posted on 05/13/2005 7:08:21 AM PDT by cartan
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To: CSM

I note for the record. That in the article not one student was able to tell us who Hitler was.


46 posted on 05/13/2005 7:10:35 AM PDT by Patrick1
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This makes Rush's point. They are learning about other global cultures but not US history.

Globalist crap for the the one-world future.


47 posted on 05/13/2005 7:10:52 AM PDT by Finalapproach29er (America is gradually becoming the Godless,out-of-control golden-calf scene,in "The Ten Commandments")
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To: chapin2500
Proving Rush's points - these children are only taught a "multi-culturalist" view of American History, World History, etc., etc., etc.

A preferred debate would be between their so-called "teachers" at that or any American Public School!

48 posted on 05/13/2005 7:11:32 AM PDT by zerosix
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
note to Students..DON'T DO IT....Your instructors/teachers/"the local NEA chapter" are going to be very very Embarrassed.
49 posted on 05/13/2005 7:12:26 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Man they seem to know a lot about history, all except American History!~}


50 posted on 05/13/2005 7:14:30 AM PDT by funkywbr
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