Posted on 05/13/2005 8:13:39 AM PDT by Alex Marko
Gasp! Bush is criticizing Saint FDR, what will the Dems do now? Hate him even more?
FDR loved the commies. I can't decide who was worse, him or Carter.
That is not everything that the great liberal icon FDR sold us out on.
When the Germans surrendered, the Japanese army was virtually untouched, fresh, and formidable. In conventional terms we were looking at a horrendous and maybe even unwinable battle with the Japanese. In that context I think it is understandable that Roosevelt chose not to start a whole new war with the Russians.
That's nuthin!
Morris Sutter appologized yesterday to Nicky DelCorpo for beating the crap out of him when we were in high school.
I must admit I never looked at the Yalta agreement in the way Bush has portrayed it. Of course, I always looked at like ending the great war and bringing our heros home, bringing freedom, etc....but I see now that it really didn't bring freedom to all. We sacrificed some for peace. I don't blame FDR and Churchill, at the time, I am sure they thought it was the best thing to do. 20/20 and all that. Anyway, I am glad Pres. Bush has made me think of it in a new way. That is one of the things I love about Pres. Bush, he makes me think about some things in a different manner.
Thanks for posting the article.
Now how about an apology for all the other horrendous things FDR did?
I think the Russians were vulnerable after the fall of Berlin. We had the bomb. Patton could have pushed them back or even the threat to do so would have succeeded.
We're paying the price for the Yalta sell out and Jimmy Carter's sell out of the Shah.
Thank you....my error.
Have a great day!
LOL...now if only we can get George Lucas to apologize for them damned Ewoks, all will be well.
WOW! I never heard that before. I have only heard good things about FDR. Please know I attended a public school :)...but also, my great-grandparents had only good things to say about him...the last Democrat they voted for. However, I must say that I cannot disagree with you...I just never heard someone come right out and say it! But maybe it is time.... Have a great day and thanks for giving me something to think about!
We had the bomb
FDR. Reagan fixed all of Carters phuckups. We're still to this day trying to fix all of FDR's!
What would have happened if Henry Wallace[lover of Communist Russia] had still been vice-president when FDR died in 1945?
Yet liberal historians continue to defend it. Witness Arthur Schlesigner, Jr. on huffingpost.com
Yalta Delusions
The Yalta conference in February 1945 produced, according to President Bush, "one of the greatest wrongs of history." The Yalta agreements "followed in the unjust tradition of Munich and the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
Once again, when powerful governments negotiated, the freedom of small nations was somehow expendable."
The American president is under the delusion that tougher diplomacy might have preserved the freedom of small East European nations. He forgets the presence of the Red Army. No conceivable diplomacy could have saved Eastern Europe from Soviet occupation. And military action against the Soviet Union was inconceivable so long as the Pacific War was still going on. Our military planners, in order to reduce American casualties, counted on the Red Army to enter the war against Japan . At Yalta Stalin promised a firm date in August. And in February the atom bomb seemed a fantasy dreamed up by nuclear physicists.
As for Eastern Europe, Stalin "held all the cards" in the words of Charles E. Bohlen, the Russian expert. But FDR managed to extract an astonishing document the Declaration on Liberated Europe, an eloquent affirmation of "the right of all people to choose the form of government under which they will live." Molotov warned Stalin against signing it, but he signed it anyway. It was a grave diplomatic blunder. In order to consolidate Soviet control, Stalin had to break the Yalta agreements which therefore could not have been in his favor.
The Declaration stands as the refutation of the myth, given new currency by the president of the United States , that Yalta caused or ratified the division of Europe . It was the deployment of armies, not negotiating concessions, that caused the division of Europe.
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Very, very good question...gives me even more to ponder. I guess I would hate to imagine what would have happened. The world would probably look alot different today.
20/20 agreed. Bush is right, Stalin got away with murder, but in 1945 the Russians had **five hundred divisions** and a head of steam. Even with atomic weapons it wouldn't have looked easy.
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