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Boxer's hold another hitch in Bolton vote. She calls White House uncooperative
SFC ^ | May 14, 2005 | Edward Epstein

Posted on 05/14/2005 9:08:29 AM PDT by FairOpinion

Sen. Barbara Boxer of California has erected a roadblock against John Bolton, President Bush's embattled nominee for U.N. ambassador, in a fight with the administration over access to documents.

Boxer said Friday she would lift her hold on the nomination if the administration provided the additional information she was seeking. Boxer took her action to slow Bolton's nomination after the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Thursday sent Bolton's name to the full Senate without a recommendation.

Boxer's move, which the Republican Senate majority could overturn by getting 51 votes in favor of a motion to proceed despite her hold, could further raise the partisan temperature in a body already fighting over Republican efforts to curb the Democratic minority's power to filibuster Bush's judicial nominees.

If Republicans try to bring the nomination to the floor without reaching a settlement with Boxer and the committee's ranking Democrat, Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, Boxer could tie up the Senate by demanding endless procedural votes.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 109th; bolton; boxer; hold; obstructionistdems; ussenate
Bush and the Senators need to tell the American people about how the Democrats are obstructing the People's business.

Frist should stop negotiating with the Dems, call a vote Monday morning -- surely he could muster 51 votes to overturn Boxer's hold, then if the Dems attempt to continue to obstruct, make sure it gets in the nightly news every day, and let's see how they fare in the 2006 elections.

Even after obstructionist Daschle's defeat they haven't learned -- they need a few more object lessons.

1 posted on 05/14/2005 9:08:29 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion; Carry_Okie; forester; sasquatch; B4Ranch; SierraWasp; hedgetrimmer; knews_hound; ...
Boxer's move...could further raise the partisan temperature in a body already fighting over Republican efforts

When I was lobbying for an energy bill, Boxer's aids told me she would not vote for any bill authored by a Republican. There is no one more partisan than Boxer.

2 posted on 05/14/2005 9:11:42 AM PDT by farmfriend (Send in the Posse)
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To: FairOpinion

Help me out ... by what authority or rule can a single Senator act arbitrarily in this manner?


3 posted on 05/14/2005 9:12:48 AM PDT by mgc1122
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To: William Creel

The hold means, that by Senate Rules you can't bring up the nominee to vote.

Frist would have to have a vote to overrule the hold -- but he only needs 51 votes for that.


5 posted on 05/14/2005 9:15:37 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

Thanks for posting this. I've been wondering about the hold -- glad to see that it can be lifted with 51 votes.

(Get ready, Mr. VP)


6 posted on 05/14/2005 9:15:57 AM PDT by altura
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To: mgc1122

Senate rules.

It looks like the Senate is full of rules to promote obstructionism by individual Senators -- there is somethign wrong here -- they promote tyranny of the minority to an amazing extent.

And when the Republicans were in the minority, they didn't use all these avenues, they were bending over backwards to cooperate with the Dems.


7 posted on 05/14/2005 9:17:10 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

Boxer needs to get connected to the Oil for Food scandal...


8 posted on 05/14/2005 9:18:34 AM PDT by frithguild (Defining hypocrisy - Liberals fear liberty.)
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To: FairOpinion

Presumably, there is no Senate rule for loading up her phone banks and email boxes with pointed criticisms ... hint, hint.


9 posted on 05/14/2005 9:18:40 AM PDT by mgc1122
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To: altura

There are 55 Republican Senators -- even if some defect, there should be 51 left, even without Cheney's vote.

It's time that Republicans reign in their rogue members -- cooperate or take the consequences.


10 posted on 05/14/2005 9:20:53 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: William Creel

Well, to ignore the hold would be to knowingly violate Senate rules. Not to mention the obvious ethical problem, the PR bonanza that would generate would shift attention away from Democratic obstructionism and toward Republican "arrogance," as the Dems are saying. I don't think we want to go down that path. Changing the rules is another matter, though. These rules have been abused since the dawn of the Republic to thwart the will of the majority. One Senator really can hold up everything. We should change that.


11 posted on 05/14/2005 9:21:13 AM PDT by BackInBlack ("The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice.")
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To: FairOpinion

"And when the Republicans were in the minority, they didn't use all these avenues, they were bending over backwards to cooperate with the Dems."

True, though the Democratic majority was darn big. They had more power than the Republicans now do. Lesson: increase our majority. It's obviously not enough.


12 posted on 05/14/2005 9:24:04 AM PDT by BackInBlack ("The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice.")
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To: FairOpinion
To be fair, (I really hate doing that with these people), Helms used parlamentary tricks quite a bit to hold people up that he didn't agree with. Most of the time, I'd say I agreed with his position, but he was (in)famous for excercising his perogatives.
13 posted on 05/14/2005 9:24:54 AM PDT by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side...... We have cookies!)
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To: BackInBlack
..that would generate would shift attention away from Democratic obstructionism

And, just where are we seeing attention to rat obstructionism? Certainly, not in the MSM. Ergo, there's NO attention being paid to it.

14 posted on 05/14/2005 9:27:05 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: farmfriend
Somebody provided the panties to the guards at Abu Ghraib and I've often suspected Babs of doing it out of partisanship.

She's losing her hair too.

15 posted on 05/14/2005 9:27:30 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: farmfriend


17 posted on 05/14/2005 9:30:06 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: BackInBlack
Here is a very interesting page, with info about who controlled Congress: Senate and House, etc. since 1867.

Lots of graphs and good info.

Composition of Congress Since 1867

This shoes the composition of the Senate for Congress numbers from the 40th (1867-1869) to the 106th (1999-2001).

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This shows the fraction of Democrats in the House and Senate for Congress numbers from the 40th (1867-1869) to the 106th (1999-2001).

18 posted on 05/14/2005 9:32:57 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

Seems like everything gets tied up in the senate unless it has anything to do with raising taxes, domestic spending, corporate welfare, entitlements, or measures that are in any way blatantly unconstitutional.


19 posted on 05/14/2005 9:36:07 AM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: Puppage

"there's NO attention being paid to [Democratic obstructionism]"

I agree that it's minor, though there is often the usual he-said-she-said: "Republicans say the Democrats are obstructing the confirmation of qualified judges, while Democrats counter that they're only fighting a handful of extremists."

Still, to reject agreed-upon ground rules without some sort of vote would lose us even that small measure of coverage of obstructionism. All attention would shift to the oh-so evil Republicans.

Again, I think the rules should change. But that's different.


20 posted on 05/14/2005 9:44:47 AM PDT by BackInBlack ("The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice.")
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To: FairOpinion

WOW Fair - fantastic graphs and link - I am saving them. thanks


21 posted on 05/14/2005 9:46:26 AM PDT by daybreakcoming
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To: FairOpinion
Boxer's a one trick nag. She's pulled this before, on Gonzales, wasn't it? Just gimme a little more information, those top secret documents over there, and I'll be satisfied.

Yeah, right. She wouldn't be satisfied if . . .

(Better not finish that or I'll get banned.)

22 posted on 05/14/2005 9:50:51 AM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: FairOpinion
A "hold" is not in the Constitution.
and it never used to be (it may have changed) in the Senate rules.
23 posted on 05/14/2005 10:09:32 AM PDT by stylin19a ( Social Security...neither social nor secure.)
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To: FairOpinion

Stop negotiating with dems... right. One doesn't negotiate with people holding the government hostage. F them all.


24 posted on 05/14/2005 10:17:04 AM PDT by Tax Government (Put down the judicial insurrection. Contribute to FR.)
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To: FairOpinion

Yeah, but what about the part that says that if the Republicans try to bring the issue to the floor for a vote that Boxer could tie it up in endless procedural votes. Seems like the article has a contradiction in it.


25 posted on 05/14/2005 10:18:07 AM PDT by scannell
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To: FairOpinion

I think it's time we 'stopped bending over backwards to cooperate with Democrats', and met force with force. I hope Frist brings this to a vote on Monday. I think we will win with our slight majority, and I would rather lose fighting than 'rolling over again for these obstructionist socialists. If the rogue Republicans vote with the Democrats on this, let them feel pain where it hurts. When their constituents lose some perks, they might realize they need to replace these jerks.

Thanks for posting the graphs....they are interesting!


26 posted on 05/14/2005 10:19:40 AM PDT by PeskyOne
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To: FairOpinion

Frist would have to have a vote to overrule the hold -- but he only needs 51 votes for that.



Doesn't he need 60 votes as it's in effect the same as the cloture vote.


27 posted on 05/14/2005 10:23:48 AM PDT by deport (Accept that some days you're the pigeon, and some days you're the statue....)
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To: FairOpinion
Thanks to our democrat friends, the senate body has had picture windows installed for a good view from the outside, and plenty of microphones with cameras so that we get to hear them in their full articulate glory. So much so that we're getting to see and hear just about enough of them.

Good CEO's know very well they need to limit their exposure and comment to the public, employees, and stockholders. If you speak on the record more than once a quarter, people realize you're a moron, no better or worse than their cousin Eddie. Or should I say James Trafficant?

28 posted on 05/14/2005 10:32:21 AM PDT by blackdog (How are the ones and zeroes treating you today?)
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To: FairOpinion

UNCOROPERATIVE!!!

If I said what I'd like to about Boxer I'd melt the cable lines.


29 posted on 05/14/2005 10:35:14 AM PDT by Bullish
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To: FairOpinion; farmfriend; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave
Boxer said she wasn't going out of her way to take a more confrontational approach as Bush launched his second term.

"I haven't changed at all," she said. "These issues just cry out for attention. It's my job. It's what I get paid to do.''

Now that could be twisted into a nice little message about the Queen of obstruction....Like who is paying her....George Soros???

Feinstein had some caustic comments in a press conference on the Brac yesterday about the use of Blue slips and other procedures in the senate to put Holds on nominees......apparently she has never used them, says she will never use them, and they should be done away with....

I think she was commenting on Boxer and her usage!!!!.

30 posted on 05/14/2005 10:35:52 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: FairOpinion

"Boxer's hold another hitch in Bolton vote. She calls White House uncooperative"

Hey, but some people actually like her shorts.


31 posted on 05/14/2005 10:37:49 AM PDT by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: FairOpinion
Boxer and the other Democrats on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee said the Bush administration had failed to turn over documents in three areas: notes and drafts of a Bolton speech on Syria's military capabilities, private business records of Bolton's assistant Mathew Friedman and information from the National Security Agency and other spy services about whether Bolton tried to get the names of American officials whose communications were intercepted. "These records may show something, or nothing,'' Boxer said.

In her own words, it's a FISHING EXPIDITION! Drafts of Speeches? Financial records of his ASSISTANT? When you peel away the onion, what you see is just despicable!

32 posted on 05/14/2005 10:51:30 AM PDT by jackieaxe (English speaking, tax paying, law abiding citizen.)
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To: mgc1122
Presumably, there is no Senate rule for loading up her phone banks and email boxes with pointed criticisms .

Boxer never reads any critical E-mails or hears about any negative phone calls, her screeners are instructed to round file all of that.

Boxer is being used to take the heat for the dems. Reid and Kennedy et al. are behind this pulling the strings of the concerted obstruction effort.

Hold the entire democrat party responsible.

33 posted on 05/14/2005 10:55:33 AM PDT by Bullish
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To: Bullish

An "astute blogger" said this:
BUSH UN APPOINTMENTS: Danforth versus Bolton, and why Bolton is the RIGHT MAN for the job
I think we should all look at the recent historical context of the Bolton nomination: After Negroponte, Bush appointed John Danforth to the UN Ambassadorship. Bolton was nominated to replace Danforth. The men could NOT be more different in their styles.


WHY WOULD BUSH DO THIS? Here's what I surmise...



Danforth is an extremely TEMPORATE man with a lot of GRAVITAS. Danforth's first Ambassadorship was to the Sudan - as a Special Presidential Envoy to the Sudan, an appointment made BEFORE 9/11 and before the Sudan was on the radar-screen of the world.


Danforth didn't last long as UN Ambassador, and he left in large measure because he felt the body was hopelessly bogged down in corruption and bureaucratic BS and utterly failing to meet its own mission. He said so in a speech. Here's an excerpt -from PBS/NEWSHOUR:
According to The Washington Post, Danforth had recently expressed frustration over the effectiveness of the United Nations, particularly the U.N. Security Council, in dealing with world problems. "While the U.N. is an important part of multilateralism, which is essential to U.S. foreign policy, it's very difficult to get strong resolutions passed," Danforth told the Post in a recent interview. "It's built for compromise, and it's built for wordsmithing. It's difficult to create real policies because of the ornate structure of multilateralism, at least the U.N.'s version of it."

The New York Times reported that Danforth had publicly expressed impatience with the U.N. General Assembly in late November after a resolution to denounce human rights violations in Sudan was blocked.

"One wonders about the utility of the General Assembly on days like this," Danforth said. "One wonders if there can't be a clear and direct statement on matters of basic principle, why have this building? What is it all about?"
Danforth OBVIOUSLY did not have the stomach to lead the effort reform the UN; he resigned. So what did Bush do? He took his time - many months - and then nominated a person who WOULD HAVE THE STOMACH FOR THE JOB: JOHN BOLTON.


The Senate MUST confirm Bush's nominee and then Bush and Rice and Bolton must bear the onus - or fruits of their efforts. We'll all be watching.


UPDATE: Maybe I shoulda titled this post "BOLTON'S STOMACH"??? In lieu of the shabby treatment he's gotten at the hands of many disgruntled State bureaucrats and by the obstructionist Dems, and also because AFTER HE IS CONFIRMED, he'll need an iron-plated stomach to work at the UN!


34 posted on 05/14/2005 10:59:52 AM PDT by griswold3
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To: FairOpinion

It's amazing that we only learn these different methods of obstruction when the Commies are in the minority. When the Pubbies had the minority they acted like butt kissing lapdogs, especially Dole and Lott.


35 posted on 05/14/2005 11:32:25 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: deport
According to the article:

Boxer's move, which the Republican Senate majority could overturn by getting 51 votes in favor of a motion to proceed despite her hold,

36 posted on 05/14/2005 12:12:36 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

I read an article last night that said that Frist is having a dinner party tomorrow and Reid is invited---there will also be some other senators, but the only other one named, was Pete Domenici (who is cooking a duck!)....

Betcha Babs is NOT on the guest list---jeez, it is bad enough that Frist invited Reid.

Seems he thinks there are 2-3 other options other than the "nuclear option" that he wants to discuss with Reid....uh, oh.


37 posted on 05/14/2005 12:45:54 PM PDT by Txsleuth ( Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: FairOpinion
According to the article:
Thanks, but I guess I was wondering if that is accurate as I've read other statements by Senators, etc that it takes the same action as a cloture vote to get past the hold. I don't know. So who knows...... I guess we'll see as this plays out later after the Judicial Nominations that are coming up next week.
38 posted on 05/14/2005 12:58:25 PM PDT by deport (Accept that some days you're the pigeon, and some days you're the statue....)
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To: deport

It sounds like the journalists who write about Congress should get themselves educated and/or maybe the Senate doesn't really know what it takes to override a hold either. Or maybe the hold isn't really legal, but nobody knows or wants to challenge it.

Thanks for pointing it out. I was all ready to believe the current article, silly me.


39 posted on 05/14/2005 1:05:49 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
It looks like the Senate is full of rules to promote obstructionism by individual Senators -- there is somethign wrong here -- they promote tyranny of the minority to an amazing extent.

The Senate gives a lot of power to individual Senators as well as the minority. In the Senate, compared to the House, it just isn't easy to ram legislation or confirmations through in a rush -- there is always the chance for a Senator to slow down the process and ask for more deliberation and reflection. Actually, I generally agree with this line of thinking.

The problem now is that the 'Rats are using the power to slow down as a power to block everything they don't like permanently. That's going too far. People like Boxer are totally unreasonable and will end up as squashed bugs on the windshield of Bill Frist's train when it starts down the tracks next week.

40 posted on 05/14/2005 1:11:53 PM PDT by You Dirty Rats (Get your TOGAS On!! Time for a TOGA PARTY in the Senate (Take Out Gasbagging A-Holes!!))
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To: You Dirty Rats

"The Senate gives a lot of power to individual Senators as well as the minority"


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And why weren't the Republicans using those rules, when they were in the minority for many years?!

They always want to be the "nice guys", forgetting the saying that "nice guys finish last". The Dems know this and take full advantage of the Republican wuss factor.


41 posted on 05/14/2005 1:31:23 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: mgc1122

The holds don't even have to be public... a Senator can annonymously hold up a bill or nomination. Both parties do it. There was a resolution to stop that practice sponsored by Senators Lott and Byrd but I dont know what happened to it.


42 posted on 05/14/2005 5:19:43 PM PDT by paul_fromatlanta (Paul from Atlanta)
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