Skip to comments.Russia developing new aircraft carrier
Posted on 05/15/2005 4:21:58 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
May 15 2005 11:46AM
MOSCOW. May 15 (Interfax) - The Russian Navy is launching a project to develop a new aircraft carrier, the navy's commander Admiral Vladimir Kuroyedov told Interfax.
"We are beginning work to develop a new aircraft carrier in 2005. Construction is to begin after 2010," Kuroyedov said.
"We are launching this development project and will involve leading experts to find out which materials and weapons we'll need and how many aircraft carriers should be built," he said.
Kuroyedov earlier told journalists that the navy is planning to put the new carrier into service in the Northern Fleet by 2016-17. Another carrier will be built for the Pacific Fleet, he said. "Deck aviation has a good future. A new multi-purpose aircraft will be created in a few years," Kuroyedov said.
The Russian Navy currently has only one aircraft-carrying cruiser, the Admiral Kuznetsov.
Might be some kind of blackmail scheme. That is, unless Russia keeps getting money, it will make all penguins, seals, and polar bears radioactive.:-)
Part of Putty's desire to be a world power again. But even when they had the money they could never master real carrier operations. It's actually contrary to most of their military doctrine, which relies on missiles rather than aircraft.
"A new multi-purpose aircraft will be created in a few years," Kuroyedov said."
Yeh, F35's bought from us.
Correction: From plans stolen from us.....
Maybe this one will rust less easily!
I think in the end, one of the biggest mistakes of Soviet naval policy was that they never developed a carrier strike force to counter US Navy carriers. Had the Soviets developed carriers, they could have used various Soviet-friendly states along the African coast as secondary bases, which could have seriously threatened all shipping in the Atlantic and Indian Oceans.
I wonder how long it will float ?
I read that they are going to balsa wood for the sides and plywood for the deck and power it with oars. Return of the vikings.
Everything the Russkies ever built was a copy of what someone else built first.
From the Bmw motorcylce to the A Bomb thanks to some American Spies.
Putty Poo wants to put the former Soviet Socialist Republic back together - but there are a lot of former memebers that are not to keen on the idea.
I asked how long? I should have asked if ? It would float ;)
They'll take it down to Brest and honk the horn at the disabled new French carrier.
The did have a couple of features on the carrier itself that I always felt was significant, the ability to launch anti-surface cruise missiles themselves (including targeting surface ships) with a range of several hundred miles, and the ability to control the battle scene because they mounted their own AEGIS type system on their carriers.
So, they have a capanility, and they now have quite a few years of operational experience.
it would have to go into the Pacific ocean too....
they dont have too many Atlantic ports that I can think of, going through the Black Sea and then the MED is probably out and the northern part of their coastline is a mess 60% of the year....
True. Carriers are expensive to maitain and the crew is expensive to train. the Russians are out of their leaque here. This is all about puffing.
why on earth would they need this? They can bomb the crap out of Chenchyna now.
1 for Russia
2 for China
3 for India
4 as a trump card in negotitions for somthing to come
I take your point, but a lot of their WW2 technology was original and very good; the T-34 tank and various aircraft come to mind. The Polycarpov I-16 'Rata' fighter of the mid-thirties was the first 'modern' (i.e., WW2 style) fighter, IIRC.
Also, their 'Tokamak' reactor design has been the basis for most controlled fusion studies for the last forty years. The fact that we still don't have fusion power may argue that it's not much of a basis, but nobody's come up with better.
Maybe they're making them for export to China.
Why are we sending them billions of dollars? Let take care of their nukes with their own money.
This is ridiculous.
and there it is...
Were it not for the scourge of Communism, the Russians and Americans would be much closer. There is a lot to admire in the Russian people but they have been poisoned by socialist thinking. Maybe future generations will finally erase that stain.
I found this tidbit last year in a Russian-language Ukrainian newspaper:
(4)"Today" Tuesday 25 May 2004 PEOPLE AND REGIME (political section: tel 457-24-10)
"KIEV" TO BECOME A DISNEYLAND - Aircraft carrier sold for scrap will bring profit to Chinese businessmen.
o ABROAD: The Nikolaev-built aircraft carrier "Kiev" became the main attraction in the huge Chinese "military Disneyland", while Ukrainian and Chinese entrepreneurs agreed to build a "Ukrainian street" in the amusement park.
In 2000 the vessel was sold to China for scrap, according to various sources, for $8-16 million. Now the businessmen over there aren't just meeting expenses, but even making a profit.
The former aircraft carrier, already 32 years old, was docked in the Yellow Sea by the city of Tyantsin (10 million inhabitants) and doesn't resemble in the slightest its registered description. The Chinese completely reconstructed the decks (the military equipment was removed before sale) and placed there four jet fighters from that period. In all, the investors spent about $300 million, but now they will use the monies they receive to build a kind of "military Disneyland", the center of which will be the Kiev. Five hectares are planned with BTRs, anti-aircraft weapons, and other vehicles. There will also be a waterpark and other amusement complexes.
For now the only thing visible is the Yellow Sea (named for its color), the aircraft carrier, some big bill-boards, and a lot of junk. But there's no doubt that the Chinese will build everything as planned. During a tour of Peking our guide proudly showed us a nice nine-story building and said: "This is the oldest building in the city center, it's already 13 years old." Of course, he didn't mean historical places, but the speed with which the Chinese think, work, generate ideas upon which they can make money - for which they can be rightly proud.
The head of the investment company which owns the amusement park, Chzhen Zheyfu, didn't hide the fact the the project was practically paid off and was turning a profit. Now his company is getting ready to sell land (that same five hectares) for various park structures. There will be a "Ukrainian street" with souveniers and quite likely a Ukrainian restaurant. While the local authorities promised to to build a highway from Peking straight to the "Happy Port" (as the Chinese have named the future complex). A trip from the capital would take about two hours. Of course, Ukrainians would have to fly nine hours to get to Peking, for $580 round trip.
It could be a bit quicker if there weren't such problems in Ukrainian and Russian airline cooperation. "Today" has already written about how the Unified Economic Area (EEhP) between our countries would be more advantageous to the Ukraine, and so many Russian companies and their lobbyists are against it. In our case the airline Aerosvit must fly to China via Turkey, the Caucasus, the Caspian Sea, and Kazakhstan, instead of flying direct over Russia. According to unofficial sources, the Russian airline Aeroflot sees a serious competitor in the Ukrainian airline and demands huge sums for using their routes. Now our companies are trying to ward off the Russians through similar discriminatory practices, contrary to the agreement in the EEhP. Aeroflot is persisting. We'll see what will happen later.
Three pieces of advice from "Today"
If you're getting ready to go to China, remember: 1: From 11 PM to 7 AM almost nothing is open in Peking. The Chinese sleep, even the airport Duty Free is closed, so buy your souveniers early. 2: Changing your money to Yuans is usually possible in the airport or most hotels, but changing your money back is almost impossible, so exchange only as much as you will be spending. 3: Beer is often sold warm in China, don't bother asking for it to be chilled, because they'll just toss ice in the mug. Aleksey GAZUBEY "Today"
One of those various Aircraft was I believe the B-26 bomber that they got their hands on and took it apart rivet by rivet and copied to the last detail.
Thanks for your great work. I really appreciate it.
I still can't figure out if the 'Kiev' is the same as the 'Varyag' that they bought around the same timeframe.
Like the helicopter prototype Sikorsky built before WW1, or the space program.
Wasn't that a B-29 that they captured? The Tupolev-4 "Bull" looked pretty similar. China uses a few of these for AWACS, I understand.
Yep your right
So Black Sea Fleet had Varyag? Pacific Fleet has a flagship called Varyag, too.
The BBs had a teak deck over the armor, but that was to keep down the sparks when loading powder...
Without support escorts and the latest tracking technology protecting an aircraft carrier is next to impossible...in effect, they become one great big floating target saying - sink me! Let 'em build it and when necessary we will easily sink it along with all the rubbles they put into it. Besides, when oil prices collapse so again will the soviet - oh sorry, Russian - economy. At least the Czars dressed better than Putin...
The article stated that 'Varyag' was a Kuzhetsov-class and purchased for $20 million, while the 'Kiev' article states 'Kiev' cost $8-16 million.
I'll bet they are the same vessel, just some renaming went on somewhere.
Are they going to offer rides to Americans with too much cash on their hands to finance the deal?
Yeah, maybe they would. Sail out to the Arctic Ocean, and dump him under floating ice, and takes his money. It is a warship. Dangerous things can happen.:-)
THe T-34 couldn't of been if it weren't for the Christie tanks they bought. And at least the first twenty years of the Mig series were only made possible by the British who sold them the Rolls Royce turbojet..and we could go on to almost every other weapons system.
Nope!!The PRC had purchased 3 ex Soviet carriers-the Kiev,the Minsk & the Varyag in addition to the world war 2 era Aussie carrier,Melbourne.The Kiev & Minsk will in most probability have little use other than for scrap in addition to what the article says given their age.The Kiev & Minsk are members of the USSR's first dedicated carrier class.They are considerably smaller(at around 45,000 T) than the Varyag(over 60,000T) which is much younger & could deploy Conventional jets like the SU-33.The Admiral Gorshkov,which Russia is modifying for the Indian navy is the last member of the Kiev Family.
Which in itself is not a bad thing. Under combat conditions even a perfectly maintained single system may become unavailable when you most need it.
Glad someone is able to connect the dots.
They got one after it crashed in a Soviet controlled area and made an exact copy of it.