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Non-Bias Attack
brooklyn skyline ^ | 4/11/2005 | Marianna Hernandez

Posted on 05/15/2005 7:02:56 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker

Invoking the name “Martin Luther King” and screaming “Black Power!” a gang of up to 30 black teens attacked four white girls in Marine Park in what police are saying is not a bias crime.

The March 30 attack was a hot topic at state Senator Marty Golden’s recent public safety forum.

According to witnesses and parents of the victims, four young girls from St. Edmund’s had the day off from school due to Easter recess. They were playing basketball during dismissal from nearby Marine Park Junior High School, when several Marine Park students demanded to use the court.

After adults intervened and asked them to wait their turn, the teens left - but returned in a pack of up to 30, both boys and girls, and stormed into the park.

Witnesses say the attackers were all black and called their victims “white crackers” during the bloody melee, which raged for almost 20 minutes.

“This is not being looked at as a bias crime,” NYPD Deputy Inspector Kevin McGinn said at the meeting.

“When I pulled my car up to the park, I witnessed a pandemonium I’ve never seen in my life,” said Debbie, a mother of one victim who asked to remain anonymous for safety reasons.

Her daughter ran to the car, screaming, “They’re going to kill us,” Debbie recalled. My daughter was so scared and kids were running around like crazy.

Pursued by dozens of teens, some of the girls were “literally running into traffic to save their lives,” she said.

One girl made it as far as a nearby house, but was dragged by her hair back into the playground by a “wolf pack of children,” Debbie said.

The St. Edmund girls were bleeding and beaten to the point where they had cuts, scrapes, footprints and dirt all over them - and the attackers surrounded her car and started pounding on the windows as Debbie tried to herd the terrified children into her vehicle.

Two girls were hospitalized - one with a broken nose and one with a head injury, according to Edith, the mother of another girl.

According to Lt. Mark Molinari, from the 63rd Precinct, five of the assailants, who attend Marine Park Junior High School, were arrested and charged with misdemeanor assault. But since the attackers are all under the age of 16, they are facing charges in Family Court, and were arraigned last Friday.

“I always felt safe in the area and after hearing about such an incident, you start thinking what else could happen. These situations should not be happening, not in Marine Park, or anywhere else, and the safety of our kids should be of most importance,” said Denise Williams, a parent from Gerritsen Beach.

“It’s getting progressively worse in the community - these types of gangs are not only taking away our parks, they‚re ruining our neighborhoods,” said parent Cathy Miller.

“Nobody expects their child to go to a park and get beaten, with footprints on her head and arm, everyone just wants their child to be safe,” said Edith. “Everyone should have the right to be safe from teens, to small kids, to seniors, to mothers with strollers, no one should fear of being beaten while enjoying a day in the park.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: assault; blackpower; doublestandard; gangs; hatecrime; hypocrisy; liberalbigots; nothingtoseehere; pc; politicalcorrectness; politicallycorrect; race; racialdivision
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1 posted on 05/15/2005 7:02:58 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker
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To: NativeNewYorker

The 3 victims should take firearms training.


2 posted on 05/15/2005 7:05:21 AM PDT by xrp (Executing assigned posting duties flawlessly -- ZERO mistakes)
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To: NativeNewYorker

A manifistation of the hatred and fear being preached by Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and AlGore.


3 posted on 05/15/2005 7:07:10 AM PDT by Baynative (Liberals are proof that not everything in nature has a purpose.)
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To: NativeNewYorker
Of Course it wasn't a bias crime, the only people in the world who can be racists are Caucasian.

Everyone knows that.

Where in the world is "Reverend" Je$$e Jack$on? Surely this love crime isn't beneath his attention?
4 posted on 05/15/2005 7:07:47 AM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Children's classic songs updated for Islam "If you're happy and you know it, Go Kaboom!")
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To: NativeNewYorker
It's only a hate crime when white people attack black people.

Since their is no institutionalized racism against white people, hate crimes against them cannot exist

5 posted on 05/15/2005 7:08:04 AM PDT by Popman ("I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it." Patrick Henry)
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To: NativeNewYorker


If this isn't a Bias Crime, then what is a Bias Crime !!


6 posted on 05/15/2005 7:08:48 AM PDT by Zenith
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To: xrp

Why isn't this considered a bias/hate crime? We're the races reversed, can you imagine the attention it would receive? Makes me wonder how many black cops beat up white people? These thugs may be only juveniles but eventually they'll be 18 and I'm pretty sure the majority will be in prison soon after.


7 posted on 05/15/2005 7:10:25 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: NativeNewYorker
Witnesses say the attackers were all black and called their victims “white crackers” during the bloody melee, which raged for almost 20 minutes.

“This is not being looked at as a bias crime,” NYPD Deputy Inspector Kevin McGinn said at the meeting.

speechless

8 posted on 05/15/2005 7:11:41 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: xrp

Not in the Glorious Peoples Republic of New Your City! Had those poor unfortunates defended themselves with firearms, they would now face prison.

Just one more in the long, long list of reasons why this southern son will never set foot in the cesspool that is New Your City.


9 posted on 05/15/2005 7:12:45 AM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Children's classic songs updated for Islam "If you're happy and you know it, Go Kaboom!")
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To: NativeNewYorker

Yet Al Sharpton went running down to Florida with the rest of the crew to see matters about that screaminng girl.


10 posted on 05/15/2005 7:14:11 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

You're joking right?


11 posted on 05/15/2005 7:15:53 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: Zenith
***If this isn't a Bias Crime, then what is a Bias Crime !!***

It would have been. That is, if one of the white kids fought back - THEN we'd have a bias crime.

/s

12 posted on 05/15/2005 7:17:32 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: NativeNewYorker
Invoking the name “Martin Luther King” and screaming “Black Power!” a gang of up to 30 black teens attacked four white girls in Marine Park in what police are saying is not a bias crime

If I recall correctly, MLK's claim to fame was the advocacy of non-violent protest. Invoking his name while attacking someone is a measure of the ignorance of the attackers, especially of their own cultural heritage.

13 posted on 05/15/2005 7:21:29 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: cyborg

Um, I don't think so.

Check out some of the draconian gun laws of the city of New York and judge for yourself.

They make Britain look like an NRA sanctioned gun show.


14 posted on 05/15/2005 7:23:25 AM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Children's classic songs updated for Islam "If you're happy and you know it, Go Kaboom!")
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

Well based on that I have to agree. However, you can be Howard Stern or Rosie O'Doughnuts and have a permit in no time. It's an NYPD thing or maybe a nutty DA thing.


15 posted on 05/15/2005 7:24:52 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: Zenith
If this isn't a Bias Crime, then what is a Bias Crime !!

This doesn't sound like bias or prejudice, but pure unadulterated racial hatred. Bias is a preference for one over another. It is inherently subtle. Prejudice is deciding on too little evidence, as in assuming a Black person would make a poor worker, merely by virtue of his race.

16 posted on 05/15/2005 7:26:02 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (What's 17% of 155 words?)
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To: NativeNewYorker

Can you imagine if the roles had been reversed,and the victims had been black?The msm would be beating their collective chests bemoaning the rise in racism!This would be front page news across the nation.Race pimps like Jesse and Al would issue statements on the sad state of race relations......


17 posted on 05/15/2005 7:26:57 AM PDT by thombo
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To: NativeNewYorker
Witnesses say the attackers were all black and called their victims “white crackers” during the bloody melee, which raged for almost 20 minutes.

If this were white attackers shouting the "N" word while attacking black girls would it be a hate crime then?

“This is not being looked at as a bias crime,” NYPD Deputy Inspector Kevin McGinn said at the meeting.

Why not? And, why does he use the term "bias crime" instead of what we constantly hear: "hate crime"?

The only conclusion white people can come to is that whites are being treated as second class citizens in New York because of liberal ideology which protects one class over another.

Still, if liberal white New Yorkers allow this type of law to continue without protest who can say that they haven't brought it on to themselves?

18 posted on 05/15/2005 7:27:38 AM PDT by Noachian (To Control the Judiciary The People Must First Control The Congress)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

it's been changed to a bias crime. To much press forced them to do that.


19 posted on 05/15/2005 7:28:21 AM PDT by JimC214
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To: Dr.Zoidberg
Where in the world is "Reverend" Je$$e Jack$on? Surely this love crime isn't beneath his attention?

He's not coming. There's no money in it for him.

20 posted on 05/15/2005 7:28:52 AM PDT by AZHua87 (Insurgent BloggerVet!)
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To: NativeNewYorker; Clemenza; wtc911

I remember this same thing happening to me in Rochdale. Thankfully we moved out right after and I didn't have to tell my parents either!


21 posted on 05/15/2005 7:30:05 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: JimC214; NativeNewYorker
Has this story gotten any press outside of the NY Post?

I can remember after a bunch of a-shole white kids in Howard Beach chased a black kid into traffic. For the next month, there were several VERY violent assaults of blacks on whites, including one that occurred to the older brother of a classmate. Of course, NONE OF THIS was reported in the press.

22 posted on 05/15/2005 7:31:18 AM PDT by Clemenza (Senator, my offer to you is this: NOTHING!)
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To: Clemenza

It was in the press a while back. Jesse Lee Peterson talked about it before on his show.


23 posted on 05/15/2005 7:32:14 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: NativeNewYorker

It seems such a shame that when these people give a riot everyone does not come!


24 posted on 05/15/2005 7:32:16 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: cyborg

Racial violence is typically at its worst when a neighborhood "changes." Although I believe that Marine Park remains a largely white area, it borders the Flatlands which have become increasingly middle class and black. My guess is that these kids were likely bussed in from Brownsville, which is a scary place for ANYONE regardless of race.


25 posted on 05/15/2005 7:33:25 AM PDT by Clemenza (Senator, my offer to you is this: NOTHING!)
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To: Clemenza

good observation... when we left Rochdale it was 1980 and I drove through a few years back. It's so tragic. Crack epidemics and liberal democrats don't mix.


26 posted on 05/15/2005 7:34:33 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: cyborg
NO, it's a criminal corruption thing. Starting at the very top and working it's way down the chain.

If you are one of the anointed (Howloud Stern and Rosie O'God it's waddling this way!), you have rights. If you are one of the unclean (regular citizens) you have masters.
27 posted on 05/15/2005 7:35:27 AM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Children's classic songs updated for Islam "If you're happy and you know it, Go Kaboom!")
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To: Clemenza

BTW, did you catch the New York Magazine article about white people moving into Brownsville and similar neighborhoods? There's a big problem amongst the homespun about yuppie flowerboxes and commuters gentrifying the area (as if that's a bad thing).


28 posted on 05/15/2005 7:37:03 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: NativeNewYorker

Not a bias crime? He said that with a straight face?


29 posted on 05/15/2005 7:37:05 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Newly Discovered breed of Cephalopod - Billius Fristus)
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To: cyborg

The West Hempstead line of the LIRR, which stops but a few steps from the house where I grew up, goes through Rochdale Village after leaving Jamaica.


30 posted on 05/15/2005 7:37:13 AM PDT by Clemenza (Senator, my offer to you is this: NOTHING!)
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To: AZHua87

I know, (sigh) I just like to hold out hope that even the greatest racist of our time can see the light and learn the error of his ways.

Not going to happen this side of the grave, but still. As long as he wraps himself in the illusion of being a "Reverend", he could at least pretend to be a decent human being.


31 posted on 05/15/2005 7:37:59 AM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Children's classic songs updated for Islam "If you're happy and you know it, Go Kaboom!")
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To: NativeNewYorker

Scary story and quite illustrative of the abject hypocrisy of the MSM regarding the real hate crime statistics:

http://www.nyx.net/~jkalb/rants/race_war.html


32 posted on 05/15/2005 7:39:56 AM PDT by Menehune56
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To: Clemenza

Really? I didn't know that. I took the train home last night and around the train station the creatures comes out but I was surprised. Not as much drug dealing as in previous years.


33 posted on 05/15/2005 7:40:35 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: cyborg
I've seen it first hand.

I remember one of my coworkers who grew up in Bed-Stuy told me that when a white girl (from FRANCE!) moved into their building about four years ago, her mother grabbed her (my coworker) and the rest of her family to look at her out the window, as whites living in Bed-Stuy were inconceivable to many. Now, there are many, particularly even as Fort Green has gotten pricey in terms of rents.

Bed Stuy has some of the most gorgeous brownstones in the city, better, IMHO, than those you see in Park Slope. Brownsville, on the other hand, is mostly projects and a few tenements.

34 posted on 05/15/2005 7:40:55 AM PDT by Clemenza (Senator, my offer to you is this: NOTHING!)
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To: cyborg

BTW: I live in Yuppie Hell right now, but have reconciled myself to the fact that the only neighborhoods you have left in urban areas are either latte-lands or ghettos. Archie Bunker/Tony Manero neighborhoods are basically gone.


35 posted on 05/15/2005 7:42:56 AM PDT by Clemenza (Senator, my offer to you is this: NOTHING!)
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To: Clemenza

White people from other countries don't have the preconcieved notions than white people here do about those places. The areas are better off for it as much as some people hate it. Harlem is really diverse and very trendy and the most affordable place to live in. Lots of Australians and Kiwis moving there too.


36 posted on 05/15/2005 7:42:56 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: Clemenza

You're absolutely right!


37 posted on 05/15/2005 7:43:18 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: NativeNewYorker

Animals can be driven crazy by placing too many in too small a pen. Homo sapiens is the only animal that voluntarily does this to himself.
ROBERT HEINLEIN


38 posted on 05/15/2005 7:44:00 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." AYN RAND)
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To: cyborg
You are correct. Alot of the Euros that worked at the boutiques in the meatpacking district lived in places like Clinton Hill and Red Hook.

Harlem has changed ALOT over the past 20 years. First the Dominicans moved down into West Harlem from Washington Heights, than the Buppies and now the white yuppies. There is a good reason why Rangel may be the last black congressman from that district.

39 posted on 05/15/2005 7:45:28 AM PDT by Clemenza (Senator, my offer to you is this: NOTHING!)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
Actually, that neighborhood is RELATIVELY low-density, compared to Manhattan, or even other parts of Brooklyn.

I grew up gaping at the St. Edmunds girls, and know the area intimately.

This is just race hatred. Nothing else.

40 posted on 05/15/2005 7:51:49 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Don't blame me. I voted for Sharpton.)
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To: NativeNewYorker

Canarsie and the Flatlands have REALLY CHANGED since you were a kid I bet. They've even changed since I was a kid (and I'm 29!). It is amazing, however, how Midwood maintains a large Jewish population, although nowhere near as large as when you were a youth I can imagine.


41 posted on 05/15/2005 7:54:28 AM PDT by Clemenza (Senator, my offer to you is this: NOTHING!)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg
And the Bible tells us to beware of false prophets. And Paul in his letters to the Corinthians warned them and even chastised a few churches for following an almost JJ sound alike/promise alike.
42 posted on 05/15/2005 7:59:03 AM PDT by AZHua87 (Insurgent BloggerVet!)
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To: Clemenza

The orthodox now pay $1mm+ for the old wood-frame victorians I looked out on from my apartment on Ocean Ave.


43 posted on 05/15/2005 7:59:58 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Don't blame me. I voted for Sharpton.)
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To: NativeNewYorker

The apartments on Ocean Avenue are now a mixture of Russians, Pakistanis and Haitians, at least as of six months ago. That mixture has held stable over the past 10 years.


44 posted on 05/15/2005 8:01:12 AM PDT by Clemenza (Senator, my offer to you is this: NOTHING!)
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To: NativeNewYorker

Would it be a hate crime of bunch of whites jumped a black screaming "Senator Robert Byrd", "White Power"?


45 posted on 05/15/2005 8:02:00 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: NativeNewYorker
. . .screaming “Black Power!” a gang of up to 30 black teens attacked four white girls . . . attackers were all black and called their victims “white crackers”

Is this for real? I've never heard of a publication called the "Brooklyn Skyline".

If true -- I don't see how this could NOT be a 'hate crime'.

46 posted on 05/15/2005 8:03:48 AM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: NativeNewYorker
Non-Bias Charges Upped to Hate Crime
47 posted on 05/15/2005 8:08:20 AM PDT by kenth
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To: NativeNewYorker

Don't you know? Only white, heterosexual, men (and women to a lesser extent) can be guilty of a hate crime.


48 posted on 05/15/2005 8:08:36 AM PDT by Aetius
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To: AZHua87
I have to wonder at the mental capacity of anyone who would be taken in by the "Reverend" Jack$on.

I know there are con men just like him the world over, but you have to really suspend disbelief to give that man the time of day, let alone one iota of moral authority.

Such a shame though that these (white) girls won't have someone to stand up and see justice done for them. Such is life though. You don't whine about it, you just try to deal with it as best as you can.
49 posted on 05/15/2005 8:10:07 AM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Children's classic songs updated for Islam "If you're happy and you know it, Go Kaboom!")
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To: BenLurkin; Yehuda

This is very real, and was a frequent occurrance during the 70s and 80s (racial violence was less frequent in NYC during the 1990s). When it first occurred, Freeper Yehuda was nice enough to post the story. Few Freepers took notice, as they were busy obsessing over Schaivo or illegal aliens at the time.


50 posted on 05/15/2005 8:11:18 AM PDT by Clemenza (Senator, my offer to you is this: NOTHING!)
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