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Black pedestrians stopped three times more often
Fort Worth Star Telegram ^ | May 16, 2005

Posted on 05/16/2005 4:42:42 AM PDT by tuffydoodle

Black pedestrians stopped three times more often

SAN ANTONIO - Police officers stopped black pedestrians last year three times more often than Hispanics or whites in San Antonio.

Once stopped, black and Hispanic pedestrians were searched close to half the time, yet police found contraband 22 percent of the time.

The findings come from an examination of police records by the San Antonio Express-News. The statistics, collected by the San Antonio Police Department in compliance with state law, covered 216,707 officer-initiated contacts in 2004.

Critics said the numbers show officers are overzealous when choosing whom to search. Others said the searches were justified because contraband was found more often on minorities than whites.

Without an exhaustive, costly analysis, the raw data is open to interpretation, Police Chief Albert Ortiz said.

The analysis showed black and Hispanic pedestrians were at least twice as likely to be searched as whites. However, officers found contraband at about the same rates, an indication that the searches were well-founded.

In a report to the City Council, Ortiz wrote that more patrols in high-minority population areas means more minority stops.

With pedestrian stops, the issue of racial profiling is more contentious. Unlike with traffic stops, where drivers' races often are obscured by tinted windows, officers know the race of pedestrians they stop.

"It gives rise to some concern," said one racial profiling expert, Alejandro del Carmen, an associate professor of criminology and criminal justice at the University of Texas at Arlington.

Given the high stop rate for black pedestrians, del Carmen said he would question the wisdom of how police use their discretion.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: lifeindahoodyo; nutnbutagthang; profiling; quotas; themankeepingmedown; thuglife

1 posted on 05/16/2005 4:42:42 AM PDT by tuffydoodle
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To: tuffydoodle
the raw data is open to interpretation

Precisely.

Which renders this author's article speculative and pointless.

2 posted on 05/16/2005 4:45:15 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: tuffydoodle

So we should be using the national census to figure out
who to stop?


3 posted on 05/16/2005 4:46:29 AM PDT by james500
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To: tuffydoodle
Black pedestrians stopped three times more often

What percent of the pedestrians were black?

4 posted on 05/16/2005 4:46:44 AM PDT by syriacus (Weird George Felos repeatedly flicked his tongue out his gaping mouth when lying to the press 3/31)
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To: tuffydoodle

Twice as many Mexicans live there and twice as many get stopped. Not hard to figure out Sherlock.


5 posted on 05/16/2005 4:47:31 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: syriacus

Depends on the location. Black on black crime has long-time been an epidemic in the inner city.


6 posted on 05/16/2005 4:47:54 AM PDT by BP2
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To: tuffydoodle



And in any given town where does one go to buy drugs?


7 posted on 05/16/2005 4:52:25 AM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: tuffydoodle
This is surely getting out of hand.

Now that the powers to be have lowered the qualifications for being a police officer, it should be fairly easy to institute a policy of "only like races shall stop and question those of the same race".

With a little imagination policies could be implemented which would ensure that women are only stopped by female police officers. Homosexuals, mental midgets, lepers, illegal aliens etc. etc., the same. (whitey, of course, would not be included)


So everyone write your local sheriff and demand these policies go into effect as soon as possible. The life you save may be a minority.

8 posted on 05/16/2005 4:57:45 AM PDT by G.Mason ( Save the Republic from the shallow, demagogic sectarians.)
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To: tuffydoodle

Does the category "pedestrian" include "crack dealers standing on street corners"?


9 posted on 05/16/2005 5:10:33 AM PDT by samtheman (Note to the RNC: Not one more dime, till you grow a spine.)
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To: martin_fierro
Which renders this author's article speculative and pointless.

Speculative perhaps, but not pointless.
There's a new generation of ignorant Americans ripe for the "Progressive" pickings.

It's no accident that there is a rash of these "negative" bits of Americana suddenly appearing.

Jesse Jackson said plainly, and I certainly agree with him that, specially at night, he would be more fearful if a pack of black 'kids' in their 'do-rags' and about to lose their pants are following him than a group of white kids leaving a bible-school class.

D'oh!
Hate America guys. It's an evil place!
We must never speak of the obvious.
Or act on that information.

10 posted on 05/16/2005 5:13:13 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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To: tuffydoodle

Racial profiling is a very useful tool because it works. Black males a 7% of the population but commit 60% of the violent crimes in this country. Even the "toadlike" Jesse Jackson is relieved when he hears footsteps behind him and turns around and sees a white male instead of black male (his words not mine) walking behind him.


11 posted on 05/16/2005 5:14:35 AM PDT by JarheadFromFlorida
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To: tuffydoodle

This appears to be a bogus article. It's not been posted at dfw.com in the last seven days. That, or they've pulled it, which I can't imagine why.


12 posted on 05/16/2005 5:24:03 AM PDT by Mason
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Poor black man gets killed, goes to jail again....


13 posted on 05/16/2005 5:27:22 AM PDT by alloysteel ("Master of the painfully obvious.....")
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To: tuffydoodle

Good grief. Will the hand wringing never end.


14 posted on 05/16/2005 5:29:10 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: tuffydoodle
said one racial profiling expert, Alejandro del Carmen

Wow, now there's a useless eater if I've ever seen one.
15 posted on 05/16/2005 5:36:36 AM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the Rats in terror before me.)
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To: tuffydoodle

What were the situations in which these black pedestrians were stopped? For instance, I have noticed that frequently I will see groups of 8-10 young black males walking down the streets near my parents house. They will be spread out across the entire street so that traffic can't get by, and they are loud and disruptive. And yes, they do commit crimes, like stealing bicycles and other items carelessly left in front yards. I don't see white or hispanic kids doing this. If a cop sees something like this, should he go looking for some white kids doing the same thing and stop them first? If the people who live in a neighborhood complain about disorderly black pedestrians walking around for no apparent reason other than to be disorderly, do the cops ignore it?


16 posted on 05/16/2005 5:39:45 AM PDT by yawningotter
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To: BP2
Depends on the location.

Yes. Many years ago I had to rely on a bus and two miles of walking to get to work.

I lived in a rural/suburban area where very few people were pedestrians.

I met all sorts of people I never would have met, if I had been driving a car.

17 posted on 05/16/2005 5:42:35 AM PDT by syriacus (Weird George Felos repeatedly flicked his tongue out his gaping mouth when lying to the press 3/31)
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To: tuffydoodle
Police officers stopped black pedestrians last year three times more often than Hispanics or whites in San Antonio.

Pedestrians --- or loiterers?

18 posted on 05/16/2005 5:44:31 AM PDT by syriacus (Weird George Felos repeatedly flicked his tongue out his gaping mouth when lying to the press 3/31)
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To: tuffydoodle
I have a bit of common sense to share with all races:

If you don't want to be stopped by cops, stop dressing and acting like you just came from a gang fight. Police officers have to make judgments on what they see and hear. Perceptions are everything. A good example of this is that I have been driving "little old lady's cars" since I started driving as a teenage boy. I have never been stop by a cop in the thirty-odd years since I first took the wheel.
19 posted on 05/16/2005 5:53:10 AM PDT by whereasandsoforth (Stamp out liberals with the big boot of truth)
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To: yawningotter

I live in an area that has a huge poor black population. It is amazing to me how men, teenagers & mothers with babies in strollers abuse the jaywalking rules. I have had to swing wide many times to avoid hurting someone running against the lights in the middle of a busy two lane street. Terrifying! One town over and this problem disappears.

I've often wondered if this played a part in the horrific Gavin Cato-Hasidim abulnce tragedy that sparked the Crown Heights pogram.


20 posted on 05/16/2005 6:06:34 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: tuffydoodle

Which is because many of those people live in areas of very high crime rates, and it's the only way to deter criminals, but if the black leadership in the communities want the police to pull back, I'm sure that that can be arranged. How long do you think it would take for them to beg the police to come back? A New York Minute would be my guess.


22 posted on 05/16/2005 6:36:44 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: tuffydoodle
Once stopped, black and Hispanic pedestrians were searched close to half the time, yet police found contraband 22 percent of the time.

I notice the percentage of times contraband was found on whites was left out. Could it be that it was much lower???

23 posted on 05/16/2005 6:36:48 AM PDT by raybbr
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To: Mason

This appears to be a bogus article. It's not been posted at dfw.com in the last seven days. That, or they've pulled it, which I can't imagine why.


http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/state/11659339.htm


24 posted on 05/16/2005 8:41:56 AM PDT by tuffydoodle
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To: tuffydoodle

BUMP!


25 posted on 05/16/2005 2:46:11 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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To: tuffydoodle
Once stopped, black and Hispanic pedestrians were searched close to half the time, yet police found contraband 22 percent of the time.

A 22% hit rate is awfully high. I'd say that justifies the stops.

26 posted on 05/16/2005 2:47:27 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: whereasandsoforth
If you don't want to be stopped by cops, stop dressing and acting like you just came from a gang fight. Police officers have to make judgments on what they see and hear. Perceptions are everything. A good example of this is that I have been driving "little old lady's cars" since I started driving as a teenage boy. I have never been stop by a cop in the thirty-odd years since I first took the wheel.

I, on the other hand, drive this (complete with the bodies):

.... and I look like this....

....so I am constantly getting stopped.

27 posted on 05/16/2005 2:55:01 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: Lazamataz

I think my daughter use to date you! The baby is growing like a weed!


28 posted on 05/16/2005 3:07:12 PM PDT by whereasandsoforth (Stamp out liberals with the big boot of truth)
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