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Everything I learned about successful TV from 'Everybody Loves Raymond'
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | May 15, 2005 | Rob Owen

Posted on 05/16/2005 7:40:32 AM PDT by AmishDude

The success of CBS's "Everybody Loves Raymond" offers several lessons today's TV executives would do well to recognize:

It takes time to grow a hit.

When "Raymond" premiered in September 1996, the show aired at 8:30 p.m. Friday and had terrible ratings. Critics raved about it, but viewers didn't find it. CBS paid attention to the critical plaudits and moved "Raymond" to 8:30 p.m. Monday in 1997, where it grew into a hit.

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Here is what I consider to be the money paragraph:

"We are very aware of the children that may be watching," Rosenthal said. "Even though we try to keep the humor adult, in the condom episode not once do we say 'condom.' When Marie made a sculpture of the female anatomy, we never mentioned what it was. We are very aware of the responsibility of being on television."
Refreshing.
1 posted on 05/16/2005 7:40:35 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: AmishDude

I loved this show, I am going to miss it. It was refreshing to have an adult theme without the in your face writing. Every married person could laugh at this stuff!


2 posted on 05/16/2005 7:46:21 AM PDT by WV Mountain Mama (Behind every successful man is a woman rolling her eyes.)
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To: WV Mountain Mama

I've seen every rerun at least 20 times. Watch them over and over again!


3 posted on 05/16/2005 7:47:30 AM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: AmishDude

We love Everybody loves Raymond.

Don't ever watch it on Monday nights, though, we always catch the reruns in the early evening. Can't possibly give up "24".


4 posted on 05/16/2005 7:48:58 AM PDT by baseballmom
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To: AmishDude
"We are very aware of the children that may be watching," Rosenthal said.

So, when the Romano character famously refers to himself in one episode as a "sexual camel", you were aware that my children may have been watching? How considerate of you.

5 posted on 05/16/2005 7:54:42 AM PDT by Luddite Patent Counsel ("Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - Groucho Marx)
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To: baseballmom

That's the wonder of the VCR. Record one thing, watch another.


6 posted on 05/16/2005 7:55:16 AM PDT by CCCnative (waiting for socialism to fail in Santa Cruz as it did in Soviet Russia)
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To: AmishDude
I think it is THOSE states that are driving out rural conservatives-

I have tried to watch the show – but I still don’t love Raymond. But, heck – I didn’t like “Seinfeld.” either. Guess I’m just not citified enough.
7 posted on 05/16/2005 7:55:20 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: AmishDude

Raymond: Nowwwww!

Gerard: Nowwwww!

Raymond: Nowwwwwwwwww!

Gerard: Nowwwwwwwwww!


(My favorite episode. Hilarious, especially Gerard's accordion version of Smoke on the Water.)


8 posted on 05/16/2005 7:58:11 AM PDT by macamadamia
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To: R. Scott

I like the show, but after watching a few episodes, they are just reruns of the same 'o' same 'o'. Of course this is the same for nearly all tv shows.


9 posted on 05/16/2005 7:58:28 AM PDT by jeremiah (Is it not treason, to allow the flow of illegals to be unchecked?)
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To: AmishDude

Raymond is funny, but his wife is a real *itch. Can't watch it 'cuz of her. She's just not funny.


10 posted on 05/16/2005 7:59:00 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with really stupid enemies.)
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To: R. Scott
I have tried to watch the show – but I still don’t love Raymond. But, heck – I didn’t like “Seinfeld.” either. Guess I’m just not citified enough.

I'm that way with "Will And Grace." I hear the media rave about it, but I can never watch more than 5 minutes. Its just got one horse, and they beat it constantly.

11 posted on 05/16/2005 8:00:58 AM PDT by mountn man
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To: AmishDude

The overriding theme of successful tv comedy is to make the principle male look like an idiot and a wimp whose wife barely tolerates his existance.


12 posted on 05/16/2005 8:01:40 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

I rather like Patricia Heaton. She's very pro-life as well. I like her character too, it's the mother that I CANNOT STAND!


13 posted on 05/16/2005 8:02:20 AM PDT by Romish_Papist (The times are out of step with the Catholic Church. God Bless Pope Benedict XVI.)
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To: jeremiah
Of course this is the same for nearly all tv shows.

That could be why I’m turned off by most of today’s sitcoms. It is hard to come up with something different every week when the writers have to follow the formula.
14 posted on 05/16/2005 8:02:49 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: bonfire

I have seldom seen this show.


15 posted on 05/16/2005 8:03:07 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: AmishDude

"It takes time to grow a hit."

I always loved the show. Frank was my favorite. I will miss it.

As for the quote, it is very true. Too many shows die and early death because they are not given a chance. Two that come to mind are Freaks and Geeks, and Undeclared. Now, it appears Arrested Development may suffer the same fate.


16 posted on 05/16/2005 8:03:10 AM PDT by conservativebabe
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel

I agree with you. I had never watched the show. Just happen to catch a re-run on TBS and it was the sculpture one. I couldn't believe, (but really could) that this was supposed to be a family show. How stupid do they think children are?

Disclaimer: to anyone reading this...this is just my opinion. You may have a different opinion, that is fine, please disagree in a respectful manner. No need to trash and bash.


17 posted on 05/16/2005 8:03:47 AM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: AmishDude

I have never watched one minute of this show, or Steinfeld, or Friends. I didn't allow myself to drop to the government school educated level of 5th grade.


18 posted on 05/16/2005 8:04:14 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (Search and Destroy socialist democrats & their leaders Fat Ted, F'n Kerry & the Beast!)
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To: AmishDude
Never watched it...never will....too much to do and so little time to waste watching hellevision.

I wonder why so many people are watching these shows when there is so much to experience in life.

I got rid of my TV and I've done so much lately that I surprised myself.

I was able to take that time I wasted and did a business part time which allowed me to travel to Europe.

If I wasted time watching TV...I never would have been able to go!

And speaking of going...I have to go now.....I'm working on making more money to travel to Australia in the next month or so.

19 posted on 05/16/2005 8:05:13 AM PDT by Radioactive (I'm on the radio..so I'm radioactive)
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To: AmishDude

I'll miss new eps, but there's always reruns. :) I, for one, loved Raymond.


20 posted on 05/16/2005 8:05:48 AM PDT by TheBigB ("So you're saying...there's a treasure map...on the back of...the Declaration of Independence?")
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To: Balding_Eagle

Great. She's one of the few Conservatives in Hollywood and you don't like her character.


21 posted on 05/16/2005 8:08:49 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: AmishDude

It was a very cute show.

Never watched it much, though.


22 posted on 05/16/2005 8:09:56 AM PDT by tiamat (Can't sleep...clowns will get me..can't sleep...clowns will get me...can't sleep....clowns will get)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
So, when the Romano character famously refers to himself in one episode as a "sexual camel", you were aware that my children may have been watching? How considerate of you.

Two weeks ago the entire show was one sexual reference after another. I really enjoy the show, but to be honest it never really was a family show, and I do not permit my kids to stay up and watch it. If the kids are up, "Raymond" was off. Having said that, I will be sad to see it go, it was really one of the last truly funny shows on the air... much more of a reality sho than the (despite what they tell you) HEAVILY SCRIPTED shows like Survivor, Amazing Race, American Idol... anyone who believes that stuff is even remotely spontaneous belongs in that audience.

23 posted on 05/16/2005 8:10:54 AM PDT by AbeKrieger
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To: TattooedUSAFConservative
I rather like Patricia Heaton. I Loooove this woman! I like her views, her wit, and her looks. I find her incredibly sexy. She has that proper look to her, but with a glance from the corner of her eyes, you know she can be naughty. Her husband is a luck man!
24 posted on 05/16/2005 8:12:40 AM PDT by Paradox (In my heart, I will always be something of a Liberal, in my head, a Conservative. Head wins.)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
Guess where this scene is from (dialogue to the best of my memory):

[Husband and wife are trying out for a talent show. After stumbling around, the slightly-built husband ends up on the wife's lap.]

Director: Well, here's a new act: A girl ventriliquist with a life-sized dummy!

Wife: This isn't a dummy, it's my husband.

Director: Your husband?

Wife: That's right, his name is [John Smith].

Director: You mean he's alive, flesh and blood? That he can walk and talk and make love like other men?

Wife: No! I'm telling you, he's [John Smith]!

I substituted the name of the husband. Where is this dialogue from?

25 posted on 05/16/2005 8:12:55 AM PDT by AmishDude (Join the AmishDude fan club: "Very well put, AD. As usual." -- Howlin; "ROFL!" -- Dan from Michigan)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
So, when the Romano character famously refers to himself in one episode as a "sexual camel", you were aware that my children may have been watching? How considerate of you.

That was George Costanza on Seinfeld, not Ray Romano.
26 posted on 05/16/2005 8:14:41 AM PDT by motzman (now whatda?)
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To: R. Scott
I agree with you. To me, not funny stuff...can't seem to relate to the predictable, dysfunctional set ups...thought Raymond's character was a moron and his character wife a double moron for staying married to such a pant load.

Where would the writers on "Raymond" and "Seinfeld" be, if they couldn't have someone inappropriately, opening a personal door, bursting in on some embarassing scene? It seems that in every Seinfeld or Raymond episode I happened upon, while surfing, it always heppened one way or the other...gets old, real quick.

To me this is campy regional humor. I don't like wise crackers from NY....hate Letterman, the original wise a$$.

27 posted on 05/16/2005 8:20:30 AM PDT by Banjoguy (Don't be brain dead.)
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To: motzman

Well, It might have been George on Seinfeld, but Ray does proclaim himself a "sex camel" during an argument with Debra where she gets mad at him and tells him she has a headache.


28 posted on 05/16/2005 8:21:24 AM PDT by Calm_Cool_and_Elected (Be nice, I'm new here)
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To: R. Scott

Yep, every show on tv goes to the same joke writers. It is just like the evening news, the same jokes get used on different shows in the same week. Only a confirmed curmudgeon could tell you that. My family HATES to watch tv with me, I know what will happen and the lines that will be milked for a laugh.


29 posted on 05/16/2005 8:22:32 AM PDT by jeremiah (Is it not treason, to allow the flow of illegals to be unchecked?)
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To: Balding_Eagle
Raymond is funny, but his wife is a real *itch. Can't watch it 'cuz of her. She's just not funny.

The series should end with a divorce. Those two characters clearly don't like each other.

30 posted on 05/16/2005 8:23:11 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: AmishDude

I never liked this show until I got married and had kids.


31 posted on 05/16/2005 8:24:36 AM PDT by wmichgrad ("The only difference between what Senator Kennedy said & a bag of excrement is the bag" Rush 3/2/05)
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To: Radioactive

Boy you are 'so' full of yourself!


32 posted on 05/16/2005 8:26:58 AM PDT by thornbush
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To: Radioactive

WOW! Good for you. Less TV is always a good thing. Keep up the good work.


33 posted on 05/16/2005 8:31:09 AM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: Radioactive

"I wonder why so many people are watching these shows when there is so much to experience in life."


And I wonder why you are wasting time talking about things you claim you don't care about.


34 posted on 05/16/2005 8:33:10 AM PDT by macamadamia
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To: Wolfie

I'm with you. They should divorce. Ray is a lazy slob. His mother is a control freak. The old man tells it like it is. Robert is adorable. I'm still waiting for the wife to tell Marie off, in spades. Can you imagine this show when the kids grow up and all the inherited Barone genes kick in??


35 posted on 05/16/2005 8:34:59 AM PDT by thornbush
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To: motzman

Duh.............ROFLMAO. Busted!


36 posted on 05/16/2005 8:36:11 AM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: bonfire

*Sigh*

Prigs on Patrol.


37 posted on 05/16/2005 8:37:43 AM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: Howlin

shakin' my head here.


38 posted on 05/16/2005 8:43:06 AM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: bonfire

There doesn't appear to be anything that can't or doesn't offend them, even when they have to HUNT for something.


39 posted on 05/16/2005 8:44:45 AM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: Howlin

There must be something wrong with me as I'm rarely offended.

btw, have you ever heard of the comedian Ron White? Just discovered him and he's hysterical!!


40 posted on 05/16/2005 8:46:20 AM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: Banjoguy
I don't like wise crackers from NY....hate Letterman, the original wise a$$.

Letterman's from Indiana.

41 posted on 05/16/2005 8:50:41 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: bonfire

Agreed. There seems to be a general lack of the 'humor' gene at Free Republic anymore.

I find both Seinfeld and Raymond hilarious and I watch when I can.

The humor is harmless and the shows are well-written with fun characters.

I think it's hilarious that Debra has been called a *itch and that people can't stand Marie! Kudos to those fine actresses since that is the role they were paid to play! lol


42 posted on 05/16/2005 8:52:13 AM PDT by SONbrad
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To: SONbrad

I'll bet "Debra" hits a bit too close to home for some!


43 posted on 05/16/2005 8:53:37 AM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: Radioactive

Now I feel soooo inferior after being lectured to. Once in a while it's just best to keep ones opinions to themselves. By the way, are you going to Australia to lecture them on how to live?


44 posted on 05/16/2005 8:53:46 AM PDT by Russ
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To: conservativebabe

That Arrested Development probably won't be having a long run is a very sad thing to me. It would be nice to see the DVD sales for it take off like they did for Family Guy and encourage the network to bring it back. They are both on the Fox Network and they have seemed very committed to AD. I guesss they do realize when they have something that is really good.


45 posted on 05/16/2005 8:55:02 AM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You know, Happy Time Harry, just being around you kinda makes me want to die.)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

The shoe fits; anyway...didn't mean to impy he was originally a NY'er. Thanks for the info.


46 posted on 05/16/2005 8:56:05 AM PDT by Banjoguy (Don't be brain dead.)
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To: RetiredArmy

"I have never watched one minute of this show, or Steinfeld, or Friends. I didn't allow myself to drop to the government school educated level of 5th grade."



Were you wearing your smoking jacket and reading Aristophanes when you typed this?


47 posted on 05/16/2005 8:56:44 AM PDT by macamadamia
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To: macamadamia

LOL! Still wiping the tears from my eyes.

Good one!


48 posted on 05/16/2005 9:00:15 AM PDT by SONbrad
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To: bonfire

By George, I think you hit the nail on the head. LOL.

I have neihbors that are a real-life Marie and Frank. They never fail to make me laugh.


49 posted on 05/16/2005 9:01:20 AM PDT by SONbrad
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To: Mr. Blonde

They don't always stay with a good show - as much as I can't stand Aaron Sorkin, I thought Sports Night was one of the most regrettable cancellations ever.


50 posted on 05/16/2005 9:04:46 AM PDT by AggieCPA (Howdy, Ags!)
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