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Today: Did Bush Admin Force Newsweek to Retract True Story?; Today Propagates More Ugly Rumors
The Today Show | governsleast governsbest

Posted on 05/17/2005 4:34:22 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest

With its Alice-in-Wonderland treatment of the Koran flushing story, the Today Show demonstrated this morning that it is capable of making a Bush-bashing silk purse out of a false MSM sow's ear of a story.

Given the universal attention that the false story and Newsweek's retraction have garnered, there was no way that Today, much as it might have liked to, could have ignored the story.

Forced to deal with it, they managed to put its own ugly spin on the matter. Again and again, Today floated the notion that Newsweek retracted the story due to pressure from the Bush administration, and went so far as to suggest the story might be true.

The focus was at least as much on possibly sinister motives at the "White House," as it was on any transgression by Newsweek.

Thus the story was introduced with this question: "Will Newsweek's retraction end the flurry of White House criticism?"

And again: "Did pressure from the White House impact Newsweek's decision to retract the story?"

Matt Lauer stuck to the marching orders in his interview of Dan Klaidman Newsweek DC Bureau Chief.

Lauer: "Did you get pressure from the White House?"

Klaidman flatly denied it: "The only pressure was our own sense of responsibility."

That wasn't good enough for Lauer. He was apparently more willing to believe the enemies of the US than he was the Bush administration or even Newsweek.

Lauer: "There is suspicion in the Muslim world. They say they've heard similar reports from released detainees. Why shouldn't we believe it and think that Newsweek retracted the story only because it was forced to do so by the White House to protect its image?" And just in case anyone missed the MSM message, Lauer sympathetically asked: "Is there piling on by the administration?"

Given that the propagation of a false story led to riots and deaths, you'd think the last thing Today would do would be to air other rumors. Yet incredibly, incredibly!, that's exactly what it devoted virtually the entirety of its next segment to.

NBC reporter Richard Engel reported from Baghdad, and his report consisted of retelling a variety of additional rumors:

1. "There are many rumors in Iraq and across Muslim world that this kind of thing happens regularly."

2. "There are rumors that US Marines while raiding a mosque abused a Koran and spray-painted it."

3. "Another one - during a search of woman, a search dog pulled a Koran out of the woman's handbag and Marines started laughing."

Engel claimed: "People believe this is not a war on terrorism but a war on Islam."

Lauer 'helpfully' filled in the blanks: "You're telling me people in that part of the world expect the worst from the US.?"

Engel somberly observed: "I'm not sure we're winning the battle for hearts and minds. There is still fallout from Abu Ghraib."

And just to pour the last measure of gasoline on the fire, Engel ended with this explosive allegation: "There are rumors women were raped at Abu Ghraib. One women claimed she was raped six times every night."

Just when you thought the MSM couldn't sink any lower . . .


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bush43; korandesecration; newsweek
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1 posted on 05/17/2005 4:34:23 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; Miss Marple; an amused spectator; netmilsmom; Diogenesis; YaYa123; MEG33; ...

Today Show blood-pressure-alert ping.


2 posted on 05/17/2005 4:35:19 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Is anyone RELIEVED that the story is not true, or at the very, very least, unsubstantiated? Apparently not, in the MSM.

Imagine a US media outlet doing this during WWII.


3 posted on 05/17/2005 4:37:15 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Today show wants more blood so they can say we're, I mean the imperialistic Bush regime is failing...
What an absolute bunch of losers intent on making America anything but #1.


4 posted on 05/17/2005 4:38:45 AM PDT by WoodstockCat (W2 !!! Four more Years!!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Thanks as always GLGB...........

What a bunch of anti-American propaganda!!!

Sheesshhhhhhh........


5 posted on 05/17/2005 4:39:01 AM PDT by Chuck54 (Real courage is when you know you're licked before you begin, but you begin anyway. - Harper Lee)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I that piece of scum Lauer would have any sense, he would have asked Dan Klaidman why they printed the article in the first place.

There is no way anyone could flush a book the size of the Koran down any toilet. A book that is about 6" X 8" X 2" will not fit through a four inch hole.

6 posted on 05/17/2005 4:40:03 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Give Byrd the Byrd option now.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Nicely done!


7 posted on 05/17/2005 4:40:31 AM PDT by BufordP ("I wish we lived in the day when you could challenge a person to a duel!"--Zell Miller)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; MeekOneGOP; PhilDragoo; Happy2BMe; potlatch; ntnychik; Smartass; ...







N   E   W   S   W   E   A   K

M I C H A E L   "S P I K E Y"   I S I K O F F




8 posted on 05/17/2005 4:40:31 AM PDT by devolve (My WWII Tribute: http://pro.lookingat.us/WWII.html - more traffic than DU-Koz-LDot)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Can anyone really imagine the MSM being quiet about the White House twisting arms in a case like this? Those that don't respect the government, don't fear it either; there would be a firestorm...


9 posted on 05/17/2005 4:40:45 AM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Matt Lauer is pathetic scum!


10 posted on 05/17/2005 4:40:49 AM PDT by LongsforReagan (I hate Howard Dean and everything he stands for.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
"There is suspicion in the Muslim world."

"There are many rumors in Iraq and across Muslim world that this kind of thing happens regularly."

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I notice that lots of self-obsessed news people in the United States sitting in some studio somewhere like to talk like this.

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

11 posted on 05/17/2005 4:41:05 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Is the MSM really this STUPID????

Why do they insist on making themselves continually look like flagrant idiots?
I guess it all depends on what the "idiot" market will bear.

12 posted on 05/17/2005 4:43:06 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Words Mean Things...)
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To: BufordP

Thanks, BP. Talk about blaming the victim, here the Bush admin and the military were victimized by this false report. Yet Today/NBC managed to find a way to blame them for it. Reprehensible.


13 posted on 05/17/2005 4:43:45 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: Arrowhead1952
The media also are math illiterates. (Plumbing illiterates, too, for that matter.)

None of them thought about how ridiculous the statement was on its face, because they have no idea of the size differential, and they don't have the foggiest idea how a toilet works!!

14 posted on 05/17/2005 4:44:06 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Arrowhead1952

I heard a rumor that it was a detainee that ripped the Koran page by page and was flushing the pages, hoping to stop up the toilets. He was protesting. Why didn't they print this version of the rumor. Oh yeah that's right, because it was a rumor. Not substantiated.!! Does that make sense?


15 posted on 05/17/2005 4:50:23 AM PDT by EmilyGeiger (Some days you're the dog, some days you're the hydrant.)
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To: Miss Marple

Exactly. And, for the record, I believe it would be a 3" hole. Kohler makes 4" plumbing, and they are not going to install Kohler in Guantanamo. Most likely: 3" American Standard.


16 posted on 05/17/2005 4:51:06 AM PDT by C210N (-)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
It's really too bad these people don't have to come fact to face with the masses of enraged Muslims who have been fed lies by the MSM. Who hates America more, the MSM or the sub-literate Muslims inspired by theocrats? Newsweek and NBC work hard to inspire recruits for the Al Qaeda cause, even when it takes lies to do it. Imagine, though, people will still buy the rag.
17 posted on 05/17/2005 4:52:47 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Hezbollah will disarm before we see Kerry sign his SF 180,)
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To: Miss Marple

It's no wonder that their ratings are in the toilet. That's where they live.


18 posted on 05/17/2005 4:53:04 AM PDT by Carolinamom (Dem & RINO senators have "eaten on the insane root that takes the reason prisoner."---.Macbeth)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Treason is now fashionable in the United States. It used to be Bush-bashing, but it's gone beyond that. Anything you can say publicly that will immediately increase the danger to US soldiers is considered cool and trendy by the leftists who run the media, the universities, and many layers of government (especially the State Department). With treason so pervasive, what can we do? Well, for a start, we can call it what it is: treason. And do so publicly and loudly.

As for whether or not a Koran miraculously got flushed down a toilet (and it would take a miracle to get a book down a toilet), all I can say is: who cares? Certainly not the atheists in the media. Which means all they really care about is harming US soldiers. They are actively and willfully attempting to increase the number of casualties in the US Army and Marines.


19 posted on 05/17/2005 4:53:47 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Pookyhead

Excellent analysis, IMO.


21 posted on 05/17/2005 4:55:57 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Thank you goversleastgovernsbest! Vladamir Putin believes the White House had Dan Rather fired. It is innuendo like this from the folks at Today that fuels the ludicrousness. Truly infuriating.
22 posted on 05/17/2005 4:56:08 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: Arrowhead1952
***There is no way anyone could flush a book the size of the Koran ***

Have you heard any of the talking heads make this point? Guess they don't think we peons have enough sense to know this. The whole concept is laughable.

23 posted on 05/17/2005 4:56:20 AM PDT by daybreakcoming
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

This may be the most pathetic example of viciously biased "reporting" I've heard yet. NBC and Today richly deserve to lose whatever little audience they have left.

The U.S. military should kick the NBC reporter who made that report right out of Iraq, it sounds like he's fomenting unrest. But NBC's screaming about censorship would be heard around the world, of course.


24 posted on 05/17/2005 4:57:57 AM PDT by JustaCowgirl (The incidence of coincidence rises with prayer.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
"Why shouldn't we believe it and think that Newsweek retracted the story only because it was forced to do so by the White House to protect its image?"

Did he actually ask the Newsweek guy this, or did he wait until the guy was gone so he couldn't be refuted?

25 posted on 05/17/2005 4:58:14 AM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: samtheman

Great post and right on!


26 posted on 05/17/2005 4:58:16 AM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

27 posted on 05/17/2005 4:58:46 AM PDT by Jhensy
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Taking the Al Jazeera side, are they? Well, it looks like we need to rename Lauer as we did Quat'ie al-Queric.

I dub him Ma'hat bin-Lauerdin.

28 posted on 05/17/2005 5:02:27 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Ask Matt Liar how many times he and the TODAY show have been pressured by the White House to drop a story and how many times they dropped it.

Why would Liar think that Newsweek would fold to such WH pressure? Ask Matt why he just crucified Newsweek and called them cowards for folding to WH pressure.


29 posted on 05/17/2005 5:03:06 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: JustaCowgirl

"the NBC reporter who made that report right out of Iraq - sounds like he's fomenting unrest."

Absolutely.


30 posted on 05/17/2005 5:04:28 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: Howlin

Asked it to his face.


31 posted on 05/17/2005 5:04:48 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: Miss Marple
(Plumbing illiterates, too, for that matter.)

None of them thought about how ridiculous the statement was on its face, because they have no idea of the size differential, and they don't have the foggiest idea how a toilet works!!

The interrogation log describes "tear out page, wad, place in toilet, flush occasionally, repeat as necessary." At the end of the process, "The Koran" has been flushed.

32 posted on 05/17/2005 5:05:50 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Carolinamom

Perhaps we can start a campaign.....FLUSH THE TODAY SHOW DOWN THE TOILET


33 posted on 05/17/2005 5:05:56 AM PDT by OldFriend (MAJOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH.....INSPIRATIONAL)
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To: sirchtruth
Why do they insist on making themselves continually look like flagrant idiots?

Simple. They've completely lost their mainstream, middle-of-the-road viewers.

They now cater to the Democrat Underground barking-moonbat crowd.


34 posted on 05/17/2005 5:06:12 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: bonfire; governsleastgovernsbest; YaYa123; Miss Marple; Dog; Carolinamom
In case you didn't see Imus, you HAVE to read YaYa's synopsis of Craig Crawford's appearance:

To: leadpenny
Craig Crawford IS a pansy!! And get this!!! He's angry because this administration won't "play the game" when the media takes stories to them. The White House won't help the media out by either verifyifng OR denying their stories for them. HAHA!!! This White House has figured out how to "win the game"!

If the story has been floating around for two years, as Crawford is saying, how can he say this administration might have made it up to set Newsweek up with?

2,244 posted on 05/17/2005 6:43:57 AM EDT by YaYa123

and

To: leadpenny

The premise of Crawford's book is how politicians demonize the media, distracting people from the news itself. Imus is not buying what Craiggy poo is selling. And I don't either!!! Politicians didn't make up Jason Blair and Dan Rather, Imus says.

2,248 posted on 05/17/2005 6:52:02 AM EDT by YaYa123

35 posted on 05/17/2005 5:06:27 AM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: cvq3842

"Is anyone RELIEVED that the story is not true, or at the very, very least, unsubstantiated? Apparently not, in the MSM.

Imagine a US media outlet doing this during WWII."




I shudder to think...


36 posted on 05/17/2005 5:06:43 AM PDT by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

After he had already said the White House didn't influence them?


37 posted on 05/17/2005 5:07:20 AM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: EmilyGeiger
I heard a rumor that it was a detainee that ripped the Koran page by page and was flushing the pages, hoping to stop up the toilets. He was protesting. Why didn't they print this version of the rumor. Oh yeah that's right, because it was a rumor.

Gen. Myers told reporters in Washington that Army Gen. Bantz J. Craddock, the head of U.S. Southern Command, has "been in Guantanamo for the last couple of days digging into this issue to see if there was a time when the Koran was not respected."

"They have looked through the logs, the interrogation logs, and they cannot confirm yet that there was ever the case of the toilet incident," Gen. Myers said.

He did note "a log entry, which they still have to confirm, where a detainee was reported by a guard to be ripping pages out of a Koran and putting them in a toilet to stop it up as a protest," he said. "But not where the U.S. did it."

Koran flushing not confirmed - Guy Taylor - Wash. Times - May 13, 2005


38 posted on 05/17/2005 5:07:50 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Pookyhead
Once again the Libs faithfully repeat the Al Quaida talking points.

We have domestic enemies amongst us.

39 posted on 05/17/2005 5:08:28 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: Howlin
After he had already said the White House didn't influence them?

Mah'at bin-Lauerdin isn't interested in reporting.

Mah'at bin-Lauerdin is only interested in perpetuating a meme and causing another jihad.

40 posted on 05/17/2005 5:09:43 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Look at the islamic cleric reaction to newsweak admitting the story was false.

They claim the Bush admin put pressure on newsweak to pull the story. They did this to keep their islamic cultists in an orgasmic froth of hate.


Look at the MSM's reaction to newsweak admitting the story was false.

They claim the Bush admin put pressure on newsweak to pull the story. They did this to keep their socialist cultists in an orgasmic froth of hate.


Does anyone really need any more proof than this? The MSM needs to be treated as an enemy force.
41 posted on 05/17/2005 5:10:37 AM PDT by myself6 (Nazi = socialist , democrat=socialist , therefore democrat = Nazi)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest


They're losing viewers and this is a sterling example of why.

Great job again.


42 posted on 05/17/2005 5:10:51 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: Howlin

I can understand the radical muslims hating this country but I just can't understand why people like Matt Lauer hate America or want to see us fail.


43 posted on 05/17/2005 5:11:00 AM PDT by Russ
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To: Howlin

Yup.


44 posted on 05/17/2005 5:11:05 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Thanks GLGB. Had the interview on in the background and was hoping you'd have your summary this AM.

The question of possible WH influence was fair....but not to the point that Lauer & Co. pursued the point...as if the Newsweak spokeman was lying when they said it was their conscience that made them retract it.

45 posted on 05/17/2005 5:11:27 AM PDT by DCPatriot
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To: myself6
The MSM needs to be treated as an enemy force.

They are truly the domestic enemy of the United States. If this was attempted in less PC times, say WWII, Roosevelt would have shut them down and imprisoned them.

46 posted on 05/17/2005 5:11:54 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: onyx

Thanks Onyx.


47 posted on 05/17/2005 5:12:09 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: Russ

Neither can I. And it's dang scary that they don't even realize that they're doing it -- or do they?


48 posted on 05/17/2005 5:12:22 AM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: daybreakcoming; Miss Marple; EmilyGeiger
because they have no idea of the size differential, and they don't have the foggiest idea how a toilet works!!

I heard a rumor that it was a detainee that ripped the Koran page by page and was flushing the pages

Guess they don't think we peons have enough sense to know this.

The first thought I had when I heard this article by Newsweak, was just how stupid does the media think we are on issues like this.

Now that they have retracted the story - AFTER THE DAMAGE IS DONE, - sort of like the old saying, "We locked the barn, after the horse was stolen."

I can say one thing, I'll never read that garbage again. Here is the best place for Newsweak.


49 posted on 05/17/2005 5:12:52 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Give Byrd the Byrd option now.)
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To: All

Heading out now. Looking forward to reading all comments when I return.


50 posted on 05/17/2005 5:12:54 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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