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Israelis 'hopeful' on release for U.S. spy Pollard
alertnet.org ^ | 17 May 2005 11:14:42 GMT | Dan Williams

Posted on 05/17/2005 6:49:09 AM PDT by Destro

17 May 2005 11:14:42 GMT

Israelis 'hopeful' on release for U.S. spy Pollard

By Dan Williams

JERUSALEM, May 17 (Reuters) - Israel expects imminent progress in its bid to secure the release of Jonathan Pollard, an ex-U.S. Navy intelligence analyst convicted of spying for the Jewish state in the 1980s, political sources said on Tuesday.

They said Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, keen to shore up support among Israeli right-wingers split by his plan to withdraw from the occupied Gaza Strip this summer, raised the issue with U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice last month.

Israel's ambassador to Washington, Danny Ayalon, was to meet Pollard in prison on Tuesday -- the first such visit by an Israeli envoy -- to deliver an "expression of concern" from Sharon, a Foreign Ministry spokesman said.

"We believe and hope there will be progress in the matter of Pollard during the summer," a source in Sharon's office said.

Past U.S. administrations have stood firm in the face of Israeli appeals to free Pollard, who was sentenced to life in prison without parole in 1986 for passing secrets to Israel.

Former CIA director George Tenet reportedly threatened to quit in 1998 after then-U.S. President Bill Clinton agreed to review the case, which jarred Israel's ties with its chief ally.

Tenet's successor Porter Goss, then a congressman, in 1999 sponsored a House resolution demanding Pollard be kept behind bars, saying: "The amount of information he sold is immense, the American lives he has put at risk are irreplaceable and the damage he did to our national security is incalculable."

Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom told reporters last week that he and Sharon had decided "concrete action" was needed on Pollard. "Twenty years in jail is a long time," Shalom said.

Pollard's lawyer said the Israeli ambassador's jail visit suggested Israel was "treating the matter seriously".

"The significance of this is in stepping up the importance of the issue," attorney Larry Dub told Israel's Army Radio. "Until now, something that would not have been too costly, sending the ambassador, had not happened."

Asked about the renewed Israeli efforts to free Pollard, the spokesman for the U.S. embassy in Tel Aviv declined comment.

Israel has said Pollard was recruited by a maverick intelligence unit, which was dismantled after the scandal broke.

Earlier this month, U.S. Defence Department analyst Larry Franklin was arrested on charges of disclosing top-secret information on potential attacks on American forces in Iraq to two employees of the pro-Israel lobby group AIPAC.

Sharon, who is to address AIPAC -- the American Israel Public Affairs Committee -- in Washington next week, has said Israel had no involvement in the Franklin case.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: pollard

1 posted on 05/17/2005 6:49:09 AM PDT by Destro
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To: Destro

It ain't gonna happen. Ever. And frankly, I'm tired of hearing about it.


2 posted on 05/17/2005 6:50:11 AM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: Destro
Screw that.

Pollard SHOULD HAVE BEEN hung.

3 posted on 05/17/2005 6:50:11 AM PDT by bikepacker67
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To: Destro

Here is how the game is played:

We have to do everything we can to hold him otherwise other spies in our country will be encouraged.

Israel has to appear to do everything it can to get him out, otherwise their spies will become discouraged.

Until there is some strategic importance for releasing him he will stay where he is.


4 posted on 05/17/2005 6:53:33 AM PDT by Mr. K (some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: Destro

Maybe in a pine box.


5 posted on 05/17/2005 6:54:14 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Howlin
"It ain't gonna happen. Ever. And frankly, I'm tired of hearing about it."

Agreed. However I would be interested in knowing why Isreal chooses to spy on us after we've spent billons of tax payer dollars for their security.

6 posted on 05/17/2005 6:54:35 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: blaquebyrd

Somebody will be along to explain it all to you shortly; the last thread like this, I actually saw somebody post that it was all okay, that WE should have given it to them in the first place.


7 posted on 05/17/2005 6:57:01 AM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: Destro
Lets make a deal. Pollard for $1 billion dollar reduciton in US aid Israel this year.

Any takers?
8 posted on 05/17/2005 6:57:11 AM PDT by rcocean (Copyright is theft and loved by Hollywood socialists)
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To: Destro

Israel can hope all they want, this scumbag traitor will never see the light of day. Too bad we don't execute these a-holes anymore.


9 posted on 05/17/2005 6:58:56 AM PDT by sean327 (All men are created equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: Howlin
"I actually saw somebody post that it was all okay, that WE should have given it to them in the first place."

So now Vicente Fox is posting here? Unbelievable!

10 posted on 05/17/2005 7:01:06 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: Howlin

I have posted previously on this traitor. He did tremendous harm to the US. Excluding Clinton, perhaps he did more harm that any person previously in the history of the United States. In addition, some, if not all, the information that he passed to Israel probably went to the then Soviet Union. To respond to this leak required millions of dollars and hundred of thousands of technical man hours of labor. Pollard should die in prison and be buried in a prison cemetery somewhere as a lesson the other spies. Are there any Chinese or Russian spies reading this?


11 posted on 05/17/2005 7:02:24 AM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (A old sailor sends.)
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To: Destro

Bush and the GOP would be committing political suicide if Pollard was released on their watch.


12 posted on 05/17/2005 7:03:43 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
"Bush and the GOP would be committing political suicide if Pollard was released on their watch."

Bush and the GOP would send a strong message if Pollard were killed on their watch. It would send a message to our so-called allies that we take espionage serious in this country and that Americans will not support their tax dollars being given to any country that takes hostile action against us.

13 posted on 05/17/2005 7:09:53 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: Destro

They should put a sturdy rope in his cell, and make sure the light fixture is strong enough to hold him.


15 posted on 05/17/2005 7:11:28 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: blaquebyrd

They spy on us because the ARE dependent on us - they need to know which way we'll jump on certain things, before they go down.


16 posted on 05/17/2005 7:12:36 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: blaquebyrd
Bush and the GOP would send a strong message if Pollard were killed on their watch.

Pollard has already been tried and received a sentence. You can't execute him without violating our own laws.

17 posted on 05/17/2005 7:13:12 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Destro
One day, that little POS will be 'released' ...

FEET FIRST!

18 posted on 05/17/2005 7:13:28 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

How long was he sentenced for?


19 posted on 05/17/2005 7:15:09 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro
Past U.S. administrations have stood firm in the face of Israeli appeals to free Pollard, who was sentenced to life in prison without parole in 1986 for passing secrets to Israel.
20 posted on 05/17/2005 7:16:10 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Howlin

I put money on it that it does happen. Maybe by Bush, but almost certainly if Hillary is elected.

Do you think she'd pass up an opportunity to pander to the Jewish voters at this point?

Particularly when you consider that Bubba sprung Puerto Rican terrorists for her.


21 posted on 05/17/2005 7:18:02 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: ArrogantBustard

I just skimmed this article. Thank you.


22 posted on 05/17/2005 7:18:09 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: kabar
Oh come on. This is the spy game right? Find some new evidence or a new witness. We need to send a message or you invite more of the same behavior. This guy should have never made it to trial.
23 posted on 05/17/2005 7:19:43 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: Destro

Ah, just give him back to Israel already...









...minus his head of course.


24 posted on 05/17/2005 7:23:50 AM PDT by Machines Are Us
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To: blaquebyrd
"Agreed. However I would be interested in knowing why Isreal chooses to spy on us after we've spent billons of tax payer dollars for their security."

You answered your own question : since Israel's security depends so heavily on US support, then Israel is vitally interested in knowing what the US knows, what the US wants, what the US is up to. Pollard probably wasn't the first American citizen to work for Israeli intel, and he sure won't be the last.
25 posted on 05/17/2005 7:24:12 AM PDT by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: Little Ray
They spy on us because the ARE dependent on us - they need to know which way we'll jump on certain things, before they go down.

I could care less why they spy on us. That's like trying to explain why Muslims kill Americans. I could care less. As in Iraq there should be a price you pay when you support hostile action against the US. My tax dollars should not be used to support a foreign country's espionage against my own country. Surely you must see the absurdity in this. I'm pissed that Israel even has the gall to ask for Pollard's release. I don't know who sees us as the bigger sucker Vicente Fox or Ariel Sharon.

26 posted on 05/17/2005 7:30:47 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: Destro

Pollard is the only one who can open the safe in Jerusalem where about half the secrets he stole are hidden. The safe is rigged with destruction devices should it be "tinkered" with, so Pollard is necessary. The Israelis already have buyers for most of what Pollard stole but need him to finish the package and seal the deal.


27 posted on 05/17/2005 7:36:23 AM PDT by Tacis ( SEAL THE FRIGGEN BORDER!!!)
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To: blaquebyrd

If my country was less than a 100 miles wide and I had vastly larger hostile populations on all sides, I'd be spyin' on EVERYBODY who might affect the outcome of a war!

(Or I'd move...)


28 posted on 05/17/2005 7:40:16 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: Destro
You also have the problem that all the other Israeli spies who are looting military secrets from the US that can be sold on the open market are getting nervous. Sure, the pay is OK and the pension and retirement benefits are pretty good, but none of the Israeli spies in the US want to do life in a federal prison.

Pollard's release is necessary to keep the other Israeli spies in the US happy and stealing. This is a major subject every year at the Israeli spy temwork building meeting held, of course, in a secret place in Virginia. The other spies all kvetch about what is being done to release Pollard so he can enjoy the fruits of his crimes.

29 posted on 05/17/2005 7:41:28 AM PDT by Tacis ( SEAL THE FRIGGEN BORDER!!!)
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To: Little Ray
"I'd be spyin' on EVERYBODY who might affect the outcome of a war!"

And you'd make that decision based on the interest of your country. My decision as a citizen of this country would be to cut off all funds to any country that steals my countries secrets and puts its citizens in harms way. I would also let it be known that any spy caught in my country would be terminated. Immediately.

30 posted on 05/17/2005 7:48:54 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: Destro

Release him with a trebuchet.


31 posted on 05/17/2005 8:01:57 AM PDT by oldleft
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To: blaquebyrd

Hmmm. Did you know that the UK and the USA have a spying agreement? The UK spys on domestic Americans - the CIA spys on Brits. Seems both organizations are forbidden to spy on their own citizens and get around it in that way.

Likewise the US and the Israel. My understanding is that we get a lot of information out of Israeli Intelligence. It would shock my friends to hear me say it, but in espionage, it is awfully hard to find "black and white."

That said, I'd shoot traitors like Pollard, too. Makes a good example.


32 posted on 05/17/2005 8:03:21 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: blaquebyrd
I'm pissed that Israel even has the gall to ask for Pollard's release. I don't know who sees us as the bigger sucker Vicente Fox or Ariel Sharon.

Well said...ditto. To think that Pollard's release is even being discussed in the wake of another Israeli spy scandal which is developing.

33 posted on 05/17/2005 8:07:03 AM PDT by crabapple joe
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To: Destro

One thing I can admire about the Israelis. They take care of the people trying to take care of them.


34 posted on 05/17/2005 8:10:15 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Sigma cubed)
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To: Atlantic Friend

Meanwhile, Israel is probably going to end up throwing Mordecai Vannunu back in jail for violating the terms of his parole (he blew the whistle on Israel's nuclear secrets and spent 18 years in jail in Israel after the Mossad set a trap and nabbed him abroad).

If Pollard should be released, why would Vannunu have to go back to jail?


35 posted on 05/17/2005 8:16:40 AM PDT by Cecily
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To: Little Ray
"Hmmm. Did you know that the UK and the USA have a spying agreement?"

If what you say is true, and I have my doubts, I'm sure that agreement would not include the type of military secrets Pollard handed over to Isreal and who knows who else.

36 posted on 05/17/2005 8:21:28 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: Mr. K

The hammer has hit the nail!


37 posted on 05/17/2005 8:27:51 AM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: Destro

Dear Israel,

If it's really important, we'll tell you. Now stop biting the hand that feeds you.

Signed, America.


38 posted on 05/17/2005 9:23:21 AM PDT by Terpfen (New Democrat Party motto: les enfant terribles)
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To: Little Ray; blaquebyrd; Howlin; Destro; Tacis; Grampa Dave; Libloather; Fedora
.....the UK and the USA have a spying agreement....Likewise the US and Israel have a spying agreement....

Apples and oranges. The huge---and I do mean huge----difference in what Pollard did, and what the latest Pentagon spy, Larry Franklin did, is in violating the SOP for country-to-country spying.

The SOP is that countries who have spying agreements with the US are required to advise the CIA about their activities.

This means that Pollard---and the AIPAC-Pentagon treachery---were very, very serious threats to US national security, since these operatives deliberately chose to keep their spying activities secret from US intel. Obviously, the operation was over and above the usual country-to-country spying.

Oops. I guess they'll have to kill me, now that I've outed the scheme. (Yawn) gosh, I'm so scared (snore).

Not to worry. I've already notified Scotland Yard, Interpol, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the DOJ, CIA, FBI, state, local and county law enforcement----and I named names.........just in case lurkers are taking notes (smirk).

39 posted on 05/17/2005 9:23:38 AM PDT by Liz (A society of sheep must, in time, beget a government of wolves. Bertrand de Jouvenal)
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To: ops33

why thank you


40 posted on 05/17/2005 10:56:54 AM PDT by Mr. K (some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: Destro
(1) There is absolutely nothing in it for the US in terms of its international position if we release Pollard.

(2) There are definite negative domestic consequences for the Republican party if a Republican President releases this traitor.

(3) Sharon knows this. He knows that there is nothing he can offer the Bush adminsitration that will make freeing Pollard worth it.

(4) Sharon will continue to make the attempt because it is good domestic politics for him in Israel.

41 posted on 05/17/2005 11:49:57 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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