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Israelis 'hopeful' on release for U.S. spy Pollard
alertnet.org ^ | 17 May 2005 11:14:42 GMT | Dan Williams

Posted on 05/17/2005 6:49:09 AM PDT by Destro

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To: Howlin

I put money on it that it does happen. Maybe by Bush, but almost certainly if Hillary is elected.

Do you think she'd pass up an opportunity to pander to the Jewish voters at this point?

Particularly when you consider that Bubba sprung Puerto Rican terrorists for her.


21 posted on 05/17/2005 7:18:02 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: ArrogantBustard

I just skimmed this article. Thank you.


22 posted on 05/17/2005 7:18:09 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: kabar
Oh come on. This is the spy game right? Find some new evidence or a new witness. We need to send a message or you invite more of the same behavior. This guy should have never made it to trial.
23 posted on 05/17/2005 7:19:43 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: Destro

Ah, just give him back to Israel already...









...minus his head of course.


24 posted on 05/17/2005 7:23:50 AM PDT by Machines Are Us
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To: blaquebyrd
"Agreed. However I would be interested in knowing why Isreal chooses to spy on us after we've spent billons of tax payer dollars for their security."

You answered your own question : since Israel's security depends so heavily on US support, then Israel is vitally interested in knowing what the US knows, what the US wants, what the US is up to. Pollard probably wasn't the first American citizen to work for Israeli intel, and he sure won't be the last.
25 posted on 05/17/2005 7:24:12 AM PDT by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: Little Ray
They spy on us because the ARE dependent on us - they need to know which way we'll jump on certain things, before they go down.

I could care less why they spy on us. That's like trying to explain why Muslims kill Americans. I could care less. As in Iraq there should be a price you pay when you support hostile action against the US. My tax dollars should not be used to support a foreign country's espionage against my own country. Surely you must see the absurdity in this. I'm pissed that Israel even has the gall to ask for Pollard's release. I don't know who sees us as the bigger sucker Vicente Fox or Ariel Sharon.

26 posted on 05/17/2005 7:30:47 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: Destro

Pollard is the only one who can open the safe in Jerusalem where about half the secrets he stole are hidden. The safe is rigged with destruction devices should it be "tinkered" with, so Pollard is necessary. The Israelis already have buyers for most of what Pollard stole but need him to finish the package and seal the deal.


27 posted on 05/17/2005 7:36:23 AM PDT by Tacis ( SEAL THE FRIGGEN BORDER!!!)
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To: blaquebyrd

If my country was less than a 100 miles wide and I had vastly larger hostile populations on all sides, I'd be spyin' on EVERYBODY who might affect the outcome of a war!

(Or I'd move...)


28 posted on 05/17/2005 7:40:16 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: Destro
You also have the problem that all the other Israeli spies who are looting military secrets from the US that can be sold on the open market are getting nervous. Sure, the pay is OK and the pension and retirement benefits are pretty good, but none of the Israeli spies in the US want to do life in a federal prison.

Pollard's release is necessary to keep the other Israeli spies in the US happy and stealing. This is a major subject every year at the Israeli spy temwork building meeting held, of course, in a secret place in Virginia. The other spies all kvetch about what is being done to release Pollard so he can enjoy the fruits of his crimes.

29 posted on 05/17/2005 7:41:28 AM PDT by Tacis ( SEAL THE FRIGGEN BORDER!!!)
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To: Little Ray
"I'd be spyin' on EVERYBODY who might affect the outcome of a war!"

And you'd make that decision based on the interest of your country. My decision as a citizen of this country would be to cut off all funds to any country that steals my countries secrets and puts its citizens in harms way. I would also let it be known that any spy caught in my country would be terminated. Immediately.

30 posted on 05/17/2005 7:48:54 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: Destro

Release him with a trebuchet.


31 posted on 05/17/2005 8:01:57 AM PDT by oldleft
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To: blaquebyrd

Hmmm. Did you know that the UK and the USA have a spying agreement? The UK spys on domestic Americans - the CIA spys on Brits. Seems both organizations are forbidden to spy on their own citizens and get around it in that way.

Likewise the US and the Israel. My understanding is that we get a lot of information out of Israeli Intelligence. It would shock my friends to hear me say it, but in espionage, it is awfully hard to find "black and white."

That said, I'd shoot traitors like Pollard, too. Makes a good example.


32 posted on 05/17/2005 8:03:21 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: blaquebyrd
I'm pissed that Israel even has the gall to ask for Pollard's release. I don't know who sees us as the bigger sucker Vicente Fox or Ariel Sharon.

Well said...ditto. To think that Pollard's release is even being discussed in the wake of another Israeli spy scandal which is developing.

33 posted on 05/17/2005 8:07:03 AM PDT by crabapple joe
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To: Destro

One thing I can admire about the Israelis. They take care of the people trying to take care of them.


34 posted on 05/17/2005 8:10:15 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Sigma cubed)
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To: Atlantic Friend

Meanwhile, Israel is probably going to end up throwing Mordecai Vannunu back in jail for violating the terms of his parole (he blew the whistle on Israel's nuclear secrets and spent 18 years in jail in Israel after the Mossad set a trap and nabbed him abroad).

If Pollard should be released, why would Vannunu have to go back to jail?


35 posted on 05/17/2005 8:16:40 AM PDT by Cecily
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To: Little Ray
"Hmmm. Did you know that the UK and the USA have a spying agreement?"

If what you say is true, and I have my doubts, I'm sure that agreement would not include the type of military secrets Pollard handed over to Isreal and who knows who else.

36 posted on 05/17/2005 8:21:28 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: Mr. K

The hammer has hit the nail!


37 posted on 05/17/2005 8:27:51 AM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: Destro

Dear Israel,

If it's really important, we'll tell you. Now stop biting the hand that feeds you.

Signed, America.


38 posted on 05/17/2005 9:23:21 AM PDT by Terpfen (New Democrat Party motto: les enfant terribles)
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To: Little Ray; blaquebyrd; Howlin; Destro; Tacis; Grampa Dave; Libloather; Fedora
.....the UK and the USA have a spying agreement....Likewise the US and Israel have a spying agreement....

Apples and oranges. The huge---and I do mean huge----difference in what Pollard did, and what the latest Pentagon spy, Larry Franklin did, is in violating the SOP for country-to-country spying.

The SOP is that countries who have spying agreements with the US are required to advise the CIA about their activities.

This means that Pollard---and the AIPAC-Pentagon treachery---were very, very serious threats to US national security, since these operatives deliberately chose to keep their spying activities secret from US intel. Obviously, the operation was over and above the usual country-to-country spying.

Oops. I guess they'll have to kill me, now that I've outed the scheme. (Yawn) gosh, I'm so scared (snore).

Not to worry. I've already notified Scotland Yard, Interpol, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the DOJ, CIA, FBI, state, local and county law enforcement----and I named names.........just in case lurkers are taking notes (smirk).

39 posted on 05/17/2005 9:23:38 AM PDT by Liz (A society of sheep must, in time, beget a government of wolves. Bertrand de Jouvenal)
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To: ops33

why thank you


40 posted on 05/17/2005 10:56:54 AM PDT by Mr. K (some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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