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Stegosaur Plates And Spikes For Looks Only
Science Daily ^ | 5/17/05 | University of California - Berkeley - Press Release

Posted on 05/17/2005 11:53:21 AM PDT by doc30

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To: mlc9852
So in effect a mutation can reverse itself?

I'm not sure what you mean. A mutation can certainly dissapear from a species if the mutation has a negative effect.

41 posted on 05/17/2005 12:43:18 PM PDT by Modernman ("Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde)
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To: doc30

Baloney.

Developing those plates required a lot of energy and if there is anything biology demonstrates it is that living organisms don't waste energy needlessly - its too expensive from a cost effective perspective.

Even rudimentary spurs at the rear of Booid snakes, the remnants of the pelvic girdle, serve a function - they "stimulate the female during courtship.

These guys should go back to the drawing board. If something exists, it exists for a reason - even if we haven't been able to figure it out definitively.

God doesn't place dice with the Universe" - Albert Einstein.


42 posted on 05/17/2005 12:46:53 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Modernman

Okay - thanks. Like natural selection in reverse?


43 posted on 05/17/2005 12:47:25 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852

No, just plain old natural selection. A mutation that has a negative effect puts an individual with that mutation at a disadvantage when it comes to surviving and passing on that mutation.


44 posted on 05/17/2005 12:48:55 PM PDT by Modernman ("Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde)
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To: Larry Lucido

Might have something to do with their speed and/or agility or their position when they eat. Seems if you were a bending down to eat critter, you'd want those obviously exposed parts protected. And then too, perhaps it's just some sort of structural support system.


45 posted on 05/17/2005 12:50:12 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: ZULU

Well you just didn't read it carefully enough, without the plating how could a bird tell another bird of the same species from a stegosaur? It's all bloody obvious.


46 posted on 05/17/2005 12:56:10 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: Jim_Curtis Traits come about due to random mutations, but only ones that serve a useful purpose (or that are neutral) survive in a species over the long run, generally speaking.

Name some "neutral traits". There are not a lot of superfluous features found in nature that I can see.

47 posted on 05/17/2005 1:03:47 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: bkepley

If you look at a stegosaur skeleton, it becomes apparent that the size of those plates and spikes relative to the mass of the entire animal was significant.

If the sole purpose was sex or species identification, I'd say it was overkill. We're not talking a rack of antlers here.

Lizards and snakes have no problem using just color, and bird plumage has other funtions than merely sexual or species identification.

I think these guys are off the wall in their analysis.


48 posted on 05/17/2005 1:04:53 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Jim_Curtis
Name some "neutral traits". There are not a lot of superfluous features found in nature that I can see.

In humans? Hair color. Detached versus attached earlobes. Eye color. Varying thickness of body hair.

49 posted on 05/17/2005 1:08:51 PM PDT by Modernman ("Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde)
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To: Jim_Curtis
The evolutionists change their tune a lot.

We all await the the lucid, logical and consistent creationist explanation of Stegosour Plates.

50 posted on 05/17/2005 1:18:13 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: ZULU
I think these guys are off the wall in their analysis.

I agree. A few hundred million years are plenty of time to come up with a more economical way of species identification than developing, nourishing, and lugging around huge plates.

51 posted on 05/17/2005 1:20:48 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Modernman

Hair color- sunlight absorbtion, different lattitudes?
Detached versus attached earlobes- heat radiation, retention
Eye color- light thing again?
Varying thickness of body hair- environmental protection, heat/cold, job working in blackberry bushes?


52 posted on 05/17/2005 1:24:03 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Cold Heart
Hair color- sunlight absorbtion, different lattitudes?

Not sure that fits. Dark hair is more common in warm temperatures. What's the advantage of absorbing extra heat in your head in Africa or Australia?

Detached versus attached earlobes- heat radiation, retention

How much of a difference would the couple of square inches involved really make?

Eye color- light thing again?

Not that I'm aware of.

Varying thickness of body hair- environmental protection, heat/cold, job working in blackberry bushes?

Human hair is never thick enough to make a difference when it comes to temperature or protection.

I'll mention another one- the ability to "fold" one's tongue.

53 posted on 05/17/2005 1:29:33 PM PDT by Modernman ("Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde)
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To: Plutarch

Thanks for the support.


54 posted on 05/17/2005 1:29:49 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: doc30
The name for the Stegosaurus tail spikes is "thagomizer" (from a Far Side cartoon).
55 posted on 05/17/2005 1:30:03 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Cold Heart
Hair color- sunlight absorbtion, different lattitudes?

Why wouldn't the better heat absorbing darker haired people be in the northern latitudes and the blonds be in the zero area?

56 posted on 05/17/2005 1:30:56 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Never argue with an idiot. Bystanders won't be able to tell the difference.)
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To: elli1

I have parrots, too, and I agree with your line of thinking. Since birds and dinosaurs have a close evolutionary relationship, I would not be surprised if some bird behaviour would be found in dinosaurs as well.


57 posted on 05/17/2005 1:35:19 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Centurion2000

Or the horns of a triceratops were used like deer and moose use their today - rutting season jousting for mates.


58 posted on 05/17/2005 1:36:54 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Modernman

And that useful feature may be nothing more than to be attractive to a mate. In other words, a purely cosmetic adaptation that lacks a physical function.


59 posted on 05/17/2005 1:38:25 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Modernman

Darker hair may not relate to temperature, but it sure would help protect from UV - i.e. sunburn and scin cancer. The top of the head and shoulders gets direct sun exposure.


60 posted on 05/17/2005 1:42:25 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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