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Frigidaire Ovens With the Sabbath Mode Feature (G*d is in my oven)
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Posted on 05/17/2005 12:34:50 PM PDT by FoxPro

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To: Blood of Tyrants
Since you appear to be Jewish, I will not argue the point with you. However, I will say this: No matter how hard you try, you WILL break some Jewish law. You cannot be justified through the law only convicted by it. Even today our laws exist only to notify of accepetable and unacceptable behavior and to punish.

Your point was to declare authoritatively WHY G-d gave the 'Law' to the Jewish people. No one has ever said that one is 'justified' by keeping Torah. Many Christians have a completely twisted view of how Judaism has viewed Torah - not as a method to achieve perfection, thereby meriting the World To Come, but rather as a gift from an all-loving Abba, blessed be He.

These errant views come from anacronistic Greek/Gnostic readings into the 'New Testament', which sees all Platonic/Christian thought as enlightened, and all the ancient rites as passe. The 'New Testament' contest is not between 'Law vs. Grace' as so many have errantly followed. No, the contest is between faithfully following G-d, or rebelling against Him. This is the same message of the TaNaKh ('Old Testament' to you). Traditional Christianity turns the 'Law' on its head and makes obedience to G-d's loving instructions to be something bad, and the rejection of His instructions to be something good. Woe to those who call good evil, and evil good.

Many people who hold to this errant view of 2/3rds of your Bible are confounded to explain that within the Torah are the very commands regarding sacrifices for sin etc. In other words, it was not about 'earning' the World to Come.

As well, such an errant view of the 'Law' is struck dumb in explaining why beastiality (among other things) is morally wrong, without using the book of Leviticus. So... by not practicing such things, are you trying to justify yourself and be saved? If not, then be courteous enough not to say that those who delight in keeing the Sabbath are somehow being punished by G-d by giving them a command that only 'condemns' as you said. Maybe they just treasure ALL of G-d's words and do not pick and choose between them.

Now go read Psalms 119 and repent.
221 posted on 05/17/2005 5:17:25 PM PDT by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: SJackson
The 39 melachot or forms of work that is forbidden on the Sabbath correspond to 39 tasks that were performed to build the Tabernacle.

39 categories of "work" that are not allowed on Shabbat

222 posted on 05/17/2005 5:18:17 PM PDT by Alouette (Muslims bite the hand that feeds them, and kiss the boot that kicks them.)
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To: Alouette

Is adding already collected wood to a fire OK, presuming it's not essential for health? I noted that I wasn't sure.


223 posted on 05/17/2005 5:20:37 PM PDT by SJackson (I don't think the red-tiled roofs are as sturdy as my asbestos one, Palestinian refugee)
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To: Alouette

Never mind, I read your link.


224 posted on 05/17/2005 5:21:44 PM PDT by SJackson (I don't think the red-tiled roofs are as sturdy as my asbestos one, Palestinian refugee)
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To: supercat
What exactly does the verb "kindle" mean in the original Hebrew?

It is ba'ara. It is the root verb for the second word of the Hebrew Scriptures: bara - as in "G-d created. In all uses, it does not have to, but when used with regard to HaShem, it is ex nihilo, or out of nothing. The tying of ba'ara to the creation account makes sense, if one looks at Sabbath instructions - they all revolve around following the example of the Holy One, blessed be He. He rested, so we rest.

To not create fire is the key. Pilot lights etc. keep the heat of the furnaces lit etc.

Shalom.
225 posted on 05/17/2005 5:26:15 PM PDT by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: SJackson
Is adding already collected wood to a fire OK

Collected wood cannot be added to an already burning fire

However the "Shabbes Goy" would visit and add some wood to the fire, and enjoy a bowl of cholent and a slice of kugel and a shot of vodka.

226 posted on 05/17/2005 5:26:30 PM PDT by Alouette (Muslims bite the hand that feeds them, and kiss the boot that kicks them.)
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To: SJackson

Can you have sex during Sabbath? Always seemed like work to me....


227 posted on 05/17/2005 5:27:43 PM PDT by FoxPro (jroehl2@yahoo.com)
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To: FoxPro
Interesting post.

I live in a town bordering Lakewood NJ, which has the largest Rabbinical College in the country.

Largely Hasidim, they are for the most part, representative of the rest of our nation's population.

Aside from their , what might seem to some, specific edicts, I have always found them to be regular people, just like any other people I have met.

They tend to be clannish, and protect their own. They move towards doing business with people within their community. They support their community.

Some of them are my customers, when they choose to reach outside the community for someone they can trust. I have always found them easy going, holding strong family values.

I have also spoken to a few I trust....that unless they learn to walk on the shoulder of the road on Saturday mornings...I'll mow them down on my way to work.

BTW...they raise their children with kindness....no bomb strappers here.

228 posted on 05/17/2005 5:29:49 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (I just got my free credit report....cost me $69.95......I'm not paying the bill. I'm doomed!!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Since you appear to be Jewish, I will not argue the point with you. However, I will say this: No matter how hard you try, you WILL break some Jewish law. You cannot be justified through the law only convicted by it. Even today our laws exist only to notify of accepetable and unacceptable behavior and to punish.

Judaism has no hard-and-fast belief on the afterlife, outside of that there is one. The general outlook is that one should live their life as well as possible and worry about the afterlife, when one gets to it.

As such, a Jew asks forgiveness from God for his transgressions, but concerns about "conviction" and "punishment" simply doesn't enter the equation. Likewise, the Jewish belief in doing good deeds is for the sake of the deed and obedience to God, not in expectation of any particular reward.

As such, the idea you state here is simply irrelevant to Judaism. It doesn't matter. We do our best and God will reward and punish at the end, as He sees fit. It may be fun to speculate how God will make his judgments, but it is irrelevant to how Jews conduct their lives.

229 posted on 05/17/2005 5:30:15 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: Alouette
Only one?


230 posted on 05/17/2005 5:32:42 PM PDT by SJackson (I don't think the red-tiled roofs are as sturdy as my asbestos one, Palestinian refugee)
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To: safisoft

How exactly would the Sabbath be defined for a voyager who circumnavigated the globe? Conventional usage would be that such a voyager would gain/lose a day upon crossing the International Date Line, but nothing in the Torah marks the location of such a line, does it?


231 posted on 05/17/2005 5:33:23 PM PDT by supercat (Sorry--this tag line is out of order.)
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To: FoxPro
Can you have sex during Sabbath? Always seemed like work to me....

It is considered a mitzvot -- a good deed -- for a married couple to have sex during the Sabbath.

232 posted on 05/17/2005 5:34:30 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
It is considered a mitzvot -- a good deed -- for a married couple to have sex during the Sabbath.

Well, I have learned so much today, it is amazing!

234 posted on 05/17/2005 5:40:18 PM PDT by FoxPro (jroehl2@yahoo.com)
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To: FoxPro

Watch for Hotpoint to counter with an oven that cooks like hell, non-stop.


235 posted on 05/17/2005 5:41:32 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: .38sw
I had a Jewish cookbook when I was in college, but it must have gotten lost in one of my zillions of moves.

My favorite is Joan Nathan's "Jewish Holiday Cookbook."

236 posted on 05/17/2005 5:41:34 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: supercat
How exactly would the Sabbath be defined for a voyager who circumnavigated the globe?

In terms of practical halachah this can be broken down into three situations:

1. The international date line in halachah

2. Sabbath in space (eulogy for astronaut Ilan Ramon A"H)

3. Sabbath near the Arctic Circle (where there is 6 months day and 6 months night)

237 posted on 05/17/2005 5:49:19 PM PDT by Alouette (Muslims bite the hand that feeds them, and kiss the boot that kicks them.)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
My favorite is Joan Nathan's "Jewish Holiday Cookbook."

I just got Kosher By Design

238 posted on 05/17/2005 5:54:55 PM PDT by Alouette (Muslims bite the hand that feeds them, and kiss the boot that kicks them.)
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To: Alouette
Now that's cool.

When I was at the University of Michigan, I sometimes went to Chabad House for Shabat and once for Pesach. As a science fiction fan, I had to ask the Rabbi, what Judaism said about the possibility of life on other planets.

His response was, something like, "We don't know. When we get there, we'll see what is there and then figure things out though the Torah."

The one thing I remember exactly is that he said, "When we get there." Not "If," "When." I've always liked that.
239 posted on 05/17/2005 6:02:51 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: supercat
How exactly would the Sabbath be defined for a voyager who circumnavigated the globe? Conventional usage would be that such a voyager would gain/lose a day upon crossing the International Date Line, but nothing in the Torah marks the location of such a line, does it?

Time is local. When the sun sets, and when it rises. As for day of the week, I am not sure, but I would asume that it would follow the westward travel of the sun etc. There is some precedent that I am aware of, and that has to do with some holy days been two days out of the land, so as to intersect.
240 posted on 05/17/2005 6:05:40 PM PDT by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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