Traditional Christianity turns the 'Law' on its head and makes obedience to G-d's loving instructions to be something bad, and the rejection of His instructions to be something good.
Absolutely incorrect. There is no "traditional Christian" church that teaches that His law can and should to be disobeyed without regard. In fact, it teaches the OPPOSITE. In Romans we are specifically told that we are to be witnesses for G-d every day with our behavior. Where did you get this idea anyway?
posted on 05/17/2005 7:26:56 PM PDT
by Blood of Tyrants
(G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
To: Blood of Tyrants
Where did you get this idea anyway?
Your very words for one. You said, "The Law was given to the Jews to demonstrate that it was impossible to be saved by the Law, only condemned by it."
So... are you condemned by the command against lying because you occassionaly have lied, or do you understand that command determines what is RIGHT BEHAVIOR for someone who claims to follow the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?
Let's be honest. The part of the 'Law' that Christians distain is in fact what they call the "ceremonial" or "ritual" law. That was your knee-jerk reation in your first post about those 'keeping the Sabbath'. Words like 'moral law' and 'ritual law' are extra-biblical words used by dumbfounded theologians to categorize HaShem's commands in ways He never did. In fact, if you begin to go down the list, you begin to see that whatever a Christian theologian categorizes as 'ritual' or 'ceremonial' - is in fact something that Christians identify as 'Jewish' stuff. Notice:
Adultery = Christian theologians say, "moral law"
Murder = "" "" say, "moral law"
Bearing false witness = "" "" say, "moral law"
Profaning the Name = "" "" say, "moral law"
Stealing = "" "" say, "moral law"
etc. Keeping the Sabbath = "" "" say, "ritual law"
Wearing t'fillin = "" "" say, "ritual law"
Wearing tzit-tzit = "" "" say, "ritual law"
Eating only Kosher = "" "" say, "ritual law"
So typically, Christians are taught that only some of the 'Law' is valid - and yes, they should do it as a result of 'faith' - however IF ANYONE SHOULD KEEP THOSE OTHER PARTS OF THE LAW - that is NOT FAITH, it is WORKS, and for that reason THOSE THINGS BRING CONDEMNATION.
Sorry, the 'Law', the Torah, is 100% good. It is 100% valid, and it is the declaration of HaShem's righteous standard. If stealing is 'moral' - then so is keeping the Sabbath.
I remember a conversation I had with a Christian sister about Leviticus 11 (the commands regarding what is, and isn't food). Her reply, "Christian eating only Kosher! That's funny. That is Jewish". The point is, that neither Rabbi, nor Christian pastor wants their people to ask these questions - because as long as there is a distance between us, all the better. I strongly disagree.
posted on 05/17/2005 7:59:42 PM PDT
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