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LIVE SENATE THREAD: "Nuclear Wednesday" for judicial nominations: C-span 2 - 9:30 am EST
C-span 2 ^ | May 18, 2005

Posted on 05/18/2005 5:48:45 AM PDT by ken5050

Welcome, all you Freepers, to the continuing C-span soap operas about judicial nominations. "The Guiding SEARCHLIGHT, " "As the SENATE Turns, "One NOMINATION to Live" "GERIATRIC Hospital" (for all you Byrd and Lautenberg fans out there). Follow along with us, as the Dems raise the level of histrionics, bloviation, pontification, and all around bad acting to new highs, er, lows...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 109th; allen2008; claudenovak; constitutionaloption; cspan; democratnukereaction; filibuster; georgeallen; may18th2005; reidsnuclearreaction; showdown; ussenate
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To: Txsleuth

Gere is a moron. He can't put 3 words together if it's not from a script. Hubby worked with him briefly once.


801 posted on 05/18/2005 8:20:55 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (Theodore: the GOOD Roosevelt)
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To: CAluvdubya

I took by shower during Specter, because I had all the goo from Reid speech on me---

This may be a 3-4 shower day....LOL


802 posted on 05/18/2005 8:21:11 AM PDT by Txsleuth ( Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: Txsleuth
Just thought everyone would be relieved to know that Clinton and Gere have everything under control!!!

the first thing that came to mind.....trained gerbils? (sorry, that is bad for this early. I apologize)

803 posted on 05/18/2005 8:21:19 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (Let's exercise the "Byrd" option!)
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To: OXENinFLA

Craig Livingstone , Sandy Burglar


804 posted on 05/18/2005 8:21:29 AM PDT by Dad yer funny
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To: All

percentages, Leahy, percentages. Trying to play games with the reality aren't you?


805 posted on 05/18/2005 8:22:16 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Txsleuth

We'll need a waterfall before this stuff is over.


806 posted on 05/18/2005 8:22:16 AM PDT by Carolinamom (Dem & RINO senators have "eaten on the insane root that takes the reason prisoner."---.Macbeth)
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To: Dad yer funny

btt


807 posted on 05/18/2005 8:22:32 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: ken5050; Sacajaweau

is = isn't


808 posted on 05/18/2005 8:22:57 AM PDT by maggief
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To: Soul Seeker

"Bush is a divider, not a uniter" again. yawn


809 posted on 05/18/2005 8:23:33 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (Theodore: the GOOD Roosevelt)
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To: CAluvdubya

"You are no ordinary gerbil Lemmiwinks, you are the
Gerbil King!"

- southpark


810 posted on 05/18/2005 8:23:34 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty ("Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind." —Albert Einstein)
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To: maggiefluffs

leahy- How dare the President not cave to us by re-nominating these Justices!


811 posted on 05/18/2005 8:23:52 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: GB
Let me back up and clarify ... if Specter votes for Owen, more power to him, but it's more important to me to get his vote on cloture AND to support any ruling by Cheney that would invoke the nuclear option. I don't think his vote is needed on Owen; his vote is needed on the other two things.

You completely missed my point. My point had nothing to do with Specter. It had to do with getting to the vote WITHOUT invoking cloture.

My speculation may be all wet. But I think a good political approach is to AVOID cloture, and force the DEM Senators to stand one at a time, in objection to taking the vote.

812 posted on 05/18/2005 8:24:08 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Pukin Dog
That filibuster was bi-partisan.

Hmmm. Thanks for the info. Not sure I understand that LBJ part. BUT....myself must ask if a filibuster was used to deny Fortas a judicial appointment (if I understand this correctly) than on what basis are the Repubs stopping such filibusters now?

Because somewhere, out there, this is being fed to the unknowing public.

813 posted on 05/18/2005 8:24:09 AM PDT by Fishtalk (Pop Culture and Political Pundit-http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: Txsleuth

LOL!!


814 posted on 05/18/2005 8:24:09 AM PDT by Ladysmith ((NRA) Wisconsin Hunter Shootings: If you want on/off the WI Hunters ping list, please let me know.)
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To: ken5050
From NRO...

Voting for Democracy


The Democratic position on the filibuster comes down to this: Senators should not be allowed to vote up or down on judges, because judges have to stay in the business of keeping voters from being able to decide policy issues. Anti-democratic ends justify anti-democratic means.

Almost everything else in the debate is a diversion. The text of the Constitution does not forbid the Senate to let the majority confirm judges, as Democrats preposterously insist; nor does it require it. Only somewhat less preposterously, the Democrats and their pundits have been arguing that the logic and structure of the Constitution support the filibustering of judges: The Constitution is designed to throw up counter-majoritarian obstacles to action. That’s true at a high altitude of abstraction; it does not mean that the particular obstructionist device of filibustering judges is constitutionally required or wise. Filibusters have never been routinely used against judicial nominees — never, that is, until Senate Democrats decided to block as many of the important judicial nominees of this administration as they could.

There is no reason in principle to reject compromise. But no real compromise has been offered. Senate Democrats have floated various proposals, under all of which they reserve the right to filibuster “extremist” nominees. Their promiscuous use of the filibuster against “extremist” nominees demonstrates their elastic definition of the term. If Republicans accept these proposals, the Democrats will carry on filibustering — and Republicans will face the same choice as today. The Democrats’ hope is that they will face that choice under worse circumstances than they do now. They are trying to buy time.

For Republicans to leave the filibusters in place now after months of demanding a change would be ignominious. The same pundits who are saying that the majority party should not insist on its prerogatives would turn around and say that the majority party is responsible and should be held accountable for everything the government does. More important, a surrender would tell everyone — conservative voters, Democratic senators and interest groups, and the White House — that Republican senators were irresolute in their support for judicial conservatism. It would thus set back the urgent cause of a reformation of the federal judiciary.

“When the minority abuses its
privileges, the majority is called on
to take corrective action. This is
such a time.”

A majority of the Senate has to be able to set the body’s rules. It would be unwise for it to do so without regard for the minority. After all, every senator will be in the minority on some issue, and every senator is one election away from the possibility of being in the minority most of the time. But when the minority abuses its privileges, the majority is called on to take corrective action. This is such a time.

The liberal minority in the Senate is trying to keep the courts in the business of imposing the left-wing agenda that the public won’t vote for on its own. This project should be brought to an end — by bringing an end to the filibustering of judges.


815 posted on 05/18/2005 8:24:21 AM PDT by RobFromGa (Enact Constitutional Option Now!)
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To: CAluvdubya
Fox comes back to cover Leahy for a moment.

Leahy says the judiciary is the branch 'most respected by the people'. Yeah, socialists!

816 posted on 05/18/2005 8:24:22 AM PDT by LisaFab
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To: Soul Seeker

Another half our or so of this? Ay-yi-yi


817 posted on 05/18/2005 8:24:46 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (Theodore: the GOOD Roosevelt)
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To: Kerretarded
LOL!

Bookmark....going in for shower #1.Lots of soap. May need to make a run to the store for Lava soap (do they still make that?)

818 posted on 05/18/2005 8:25:07 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (Let's exercise the "Byrd" option!)
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To: Dad yer funny

Does anyone still notice Leaky's still speaking? Best I can gather, he's said:

A. George Bush only wants to be king.
B. George Bush unconstitutionally demands that everything goes his way, because he's a bully.
C. The Senate is really, really important. Particularly the "rights" of the party that's been rejected by the voters.
D. How Americans really respect the judiciary and...

(sputter, choke.... spewed coffee all over keyboard... sorry... sorry...)


819 posted on 05/18/2005 8:25:11 AM PDT by Pravious
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To: prairiebreeze
Exactly. We don't have a loyal opposition in this country any more, haven't had for a long time. There is no honest discussion, sharing of ideas and working toward the common good ... Just loyal obstructionism ...

Oh, Prairie: I must vehemently disagree. There is a huge amount of honest discussion and "loyal obstructionism" - the big problem is that it is empodied solely in the 6-8 RINOs we all get so angry about - and occasionally a few other Republicans. Not one of the Demodogs ever are part of this discussion any more - they are the real mind-numbed robots.

820 posted on 05/18/2005 8:26:24 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Fudd Fan
Gere is a moron

Plus there's that matter of the hamster.

821 posted on 05/18/2005 8:26:26 AM PDT by Fishtalk (Pop Culture and Political Pundit-http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: ken5050
"GERIATRIC Hospital" (for all you Byrd and Lautenberg fans out there)

I love Geriatric Hospital, one year Ted Kennedy had amnesia and no one could tell the difference.

822 posted on 05/18/2005 8:26:36 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Undie scammed the DUmmies, Undie scammed the DUmmies)
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To: CAluvdubya

>> May need to make a run to the store for Lava soap (do they still make that?)<<

If they don't, there's always bleach.....


823 posted on 05/18/2005 8:26:57 AM PDT by sissyjane (Silk pajamas for dress up, and flannel for everyday-perfect Freeper wardrobe!!)
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To: RobFromGa
“When the minority abuses its privileges, the majority is called on to take corrective action. This is such a time.”

BINGO! I wanted to scream at Dingy Harry, "It's mi-nor-i-ty, fool, it means you don't make demands." Thanks for posting that one, I'm not leaving this thread either.

824 posted on 05/18/2005 8:27:02 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (Theodore: the GOOD Roosevelt)
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To: maggiefluffs
ah..I was to esoteric for ya....I was alluding to "it all depends on what the definition of 'is' is.."
825 posted on 05/18/2005 8:27:07 AM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have kids ASAP to pass on her gene pool..any volunteers?)
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To: Howlin; OXENinFLA

Thanks for the pings


826 posted on 05/18/2005 8:27:19 AM PDT by firewalk
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To: Pravious

yeah ,... I guess his staff told him that " this looks GOOD" [on paper] now he is shouting


827 posted on 05/18/2005 8:27:23 AM PDT by Dad yer funny
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To: Fishtalk

Fortas withdrew before the filibuster began on his nomination.


828 posted on 05/18/2005 8:27:41 AM PDT by Maigrey (I rather have egg on my face than blood on my hands - gonzo news service)
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To: CAluvdubya
May need to make a run to the store for Lava soap (do they still make that?)

Yep. If you can't find it, slide on by your local Autozone for some of this:


829 posted on 05/18/2005 8:27:41 AM PDT by Petronski (A champion of dance, my moves will put you in a trance and I never leave the disco alone.)
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To: Fishtalk

The hamster's not a moron.. or was it a gerbil?


830 posted on 05/18/2005 8:27:58 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (Theodore: the GOOD Roosevelt)
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To: AFPhys

That's what I meant, that the other party doesn't participate. Yes, you're right, it's the "party of McCain and Co." that opposes. Often, just for the sake of opposition and to get facetime on the lamestream news.


831 posted on 05/18/2005 8:28:09 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Brought to you by The American Democrat Party, also known as Al Qaeda, Western Division.)
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To: RobFromGa

Thanks for posting that!!!


832 posted on 05/18/2005 8:28:22 AM PDT by Txsleuth ( Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: Soul Seeker

Leaky is demonstrating yet again that Frist has the votes he needs, and confirming Reid's take. ...


833 posted on 05/18/2005 8:28:34 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Cboldt
I agree wholeheartedly.

Nam Vet

834 posted on 05/18/2005 8:28:46 AM PDT by Nam Vet (MSM reporters think the MOIST dream they had the night before is a "reliable source".)
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To: RobFromGa; GB; Cboldt

MUST READ # 815..Rob..thanks...


835 posted on 05/18/2005 8:28:49 AM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have kids ASAP to pass on her gene pool..any volunteers?)
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To: dubyaismypresident
I love Geriatric Hospital, one year Ted Kennedy had amnesia and no one could tell the difference

He also hasn't had his murder trial yet.

836 posted on 05/18/2005 8:28:56 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (Theodore: the GOOD Roosevelt)
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To: Fishtalk
LBJ was a lame duck and so faced no political retaliation. Fortas was already on the SCOTUS, his nomination was as Chief Justice. He had no majority support and his nomination was defeated after cloture due to conflicts of interest.

Leahy invoking King George III and starting to shout. Zzzzz.

837 posted on 05/18/2005 8:28:57 AM PDT by LisaFab
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To: Dad yer funny

I wonder if Leakey means by talking about "The rule of Law" he means the law against perjury?


838 posted on 05/18/2005 8:29:02 AM PDT by federal
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To: Carolinamom
We'll need a waterfall before this stuff is over.


839 posted on 05/18/2005 8:29:08 AM PDT by mhking (Newsweek lied, people died... --Turk 182)
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To: Fudd Fan
He also hasn't had his murder trial yet.

They said they'd go over that bridge when they come to it.

840 posted on 05/18/2005 8:29:45 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Undie scammed the DUmmies, Undie scammed the DUmmies)
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To: AFPhys

yup , yer correct-a-mundo , ...he is also overmodulating the audio!!


841 posted on 05/18/2005 8:30:03 AM PDT by Dad yer funny
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To: federal
I wonder if Leakey means by talking about "The rule of Law" he means the law against perjury?

Leaky Leahy wouldn't know perjury if it smacked him in that ugly mug of his...

842 posted on 05/18/2005 8:30:08 AM PDT by mhking (Newsweek lied, people died... --Turk 182)
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To: Maigrey
Fortas withdrew before the filibuster began on his nomination.

Ah. It gets clearer now. Thanks.

843 posted on 05/18/2005 8:30:13 AM PDT by Fishtalk (Pop Culture and Political Pundit-http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: Petronski

GOOP is good too.


844 posted on 05/18/2005 8:30:13 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (Theodore: the GOOD Roosevelt)
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To: Txsleuth

I went to the kitchen for a snakc and came back to leahy screeching. I need ear plugs.


845 posted on 05/18/2005 8:30:14 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: mhking

LOL, we're headed for despotism if we get these judges.


846 posted on 05/18/2005 8:30:14 AM PDT by Bahbah (Something wicked this way comes)
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To: OXENinFLA; Sacajaweau; LisaFab; Dont_Tread_On_Me_888; fml
Thanks for that great list! And I'm with Don't Tread On Me; this should be on a big posterboard down on the floor as a background for the camera. At the very least, they could put up a website so the TV viewer could go read them.

Here are the Democrat Senators' quotes in date order.  Just out of curiosity, I spot-checked the accuracy of approximately 1/3rd of them, especially the entries that give only a date but provide no actual source (such as the Congressional Record). 

For those entries with no specific source given, I found that these are the actual verbal statements of the Senators on the Senate floor.  These Senators' quotes have been used repeatedly on various TV news shows (CNN, MSNBC, etc.) and newspapers over the years.

While I didn't search long enough to track down those original statements in the actual Congressional Record, I have no doubt someone could track them down if they were so inclined. 


 

DATE ORDER:

1995:

1997:

1998:

1999:

2000:

2001:

 



847 posted on 05/18/2005 8:30:43 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: prairiebreeze

Uh----watch out ---CHARTS----BIG CHARTS---


848 posted on 05/18/2005 8:30:54 AM PDT by Txsleuth ( Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: AFPhys

Destroy the Senate?! Oh pul-eeze


849 posted on 05/18/2005 8:30:58 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (Theodore: the GOOD Roosevelt)
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To: Bahbah

BUT WHO CHECKS THE COURTS!?!?!?!?!?


850 posted on 05/18/2005 8:31:00 AM PDT by OXENinFLA ("And that [Atomic] bomb is a filibuster" ~~~ Sen. Lieberman 1-4-95)
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