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Feinstein targets agricultural workers (Asa chimes in)
Orange County Register ^ | May 18, 2005 | DENA BUNIS, OC Register

Posted on 05/18/2005 7:12:59 AM PDT by LNewman

Feinstein targets agricultural workers. Senator plans to introduce an industry-specific bill, rather than a sweeping measure on immigration.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein said Tuesday that she ... plans to introduce her own measure to provide a path toward legalization only for longtime undocumented agriculture workers.

Feinstein, D-Calif., said any new guest-worker program – even one requiring employees to eventually return to their home country – would be a "magnet for illegal immigration" and something she could not support.

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Under Feinstein's idea, which hasn't yet been finalized, longtime undocumented agricultural workers would get a "blue card," allowing them to continue to work in agriculture. After a period of years of continued agricultural work, they would be entitled to trade in their blue card for a "green card."

Feinstein's comments came in an interview after the immigration and terrorism subcommittees held a hearing Tuesday afternoon on the border-security implications of immigration policy.

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At the hearing, Asa Hutchinson, a former undersecretary of homeland security, urged the panel to first put workable border security and workplace enforcement systems in place and then consider a guest-worker program.

A prerequisite for a new worker program, Hutchinson said, must be the need to "satisfy the American public that we are capable of securing our borders."

And Hutchinson said people in other countries have to believe they will have a two- thirds chance of being caught if they attempt to enter the United States illegally, a deterrent that is not the case now.

And, Hutchinson said, they have to believe they will be detained.

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Feinstein did suggest at the hearing that senators look into raising the number of immigrants who can come into the country legally each year.

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"Farmland Loss: The Central Valley, which provides half of all fruits and vegetables to America, is the most threatened farm region in the country due to its massive population increase, according to American Farmland Trust. In the past 20 years, over two million people have moved to the region, shrinking cropland by 500,000 acres. The valley’s current population of 5.5 million is expected to grow to 12.5 million by 2040, reducing farmland by another one million to 2.5 million acres."

See http://www.fairus.org/Research/Research.cfm?ID=1563&c=9

1 posted on 05/18/2005 7:13:01 AM PDT by LNewman
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To: LNewman
At the hearing, Asa Hutchinson, a former undersecretary of homeland security, urged the panel to first put workable border security and workplace enforcement systems in place and then consider a guest-worker program.

Isn't Asa the guy who refused to request more funding for the Border Patrol and ICE while he was in charge? Interesting that he has suddenly found religion now.

2 posted on 05/18/2005 7:17:16 AM PDT by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: LNewman

It's an old story: people will continue trying to climb into the life-boat until the life-boat sinks.


3 posted on 05/18/2005 7:18:09 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: LNewman

While I'm sympathetic to Californians wanting to ensure their stoop labor supply, why should a guest worker program have the carrot of citizenship at the end.

Migrant agriculture workers are just that: migrants who follow the crops from state to state, but many return to Mexico during the fallow season while others remain in the US and seek other employment or welfare. How would you ever keep track of who is staying permanently at agricultural jobs?.


4 posted on 05/18/2005 7:18:20 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: LNewman; All

CA: LEGISLATIVE ALERT: SB840 -- socialized Medicine
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1405380/posts


5 posted on 05/18/2005 7:19:05 AM PDT by JesseJane (Is Isikoff, Eason Jordans daddy?? Turds of a feather...)
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To: jackbenimble

No kidding they are leaving our borders underfunded. between this stuff and Bush calling minutemen vigilantes I dont know what were going to do about that border.


6 posted on 05/18/2005 7:20:08 AM PDT by yama426 ("We are the indispensible nation" A former Sec. of State)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3rdcanyon; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; ...
Interesting that he has suddenly found religion now.
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Isn't it though? People at the top don't always get the whole picture. We're frequently asked to give a "50,000-foot Briefing" when the Boss comes in from back East to see what's going on. They're very skimpy on details.

How many of us, even on FR, were aware of the truth regarding our southern border two years ago?

Sheesh, I can't believe I'm making excuses for ol' Asa...

7 posted on 05/18/2005 7:22:29 AM PDT by HiJinx (~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~ Operation 4th of July ~)
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To: LNewman

Asa is our biggest hindrance to immigration we have, he wants to be Governor of Arkansas, thats next to CA in immigrants


8 posted on 05/18/2005 7:23:45 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: LNewman
Asa is our biggest hindrance to doing something about immigration we have, he wants to be Governor of Arkansas, thats next to CA in immigrants
9 posted on 05/18/2005 7:27:35 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: HiJinx
How many of us, even on FR, were aware of the truth regarding our southern border two years ago?

Excellent Question!


Conclusions of the U.S.-Mexico Migration Panel

Border XXI Program

U.S.-Mexico Border 2012 Framework

Just FYI, when they speak of the BORDER REGION, if you go to the EPA website you find in the archives, the Border XXI REGION. The border between the U.S. and Mexico has been replaced by a shaded zone running between the two countries.

Tell me, how many people have heard of the BORDER REGION project and how it is tied to NAFTA and immigration policy??

10 posted on 05/18/2005 7:27:55 AM PDT by JesseJane (Is Isikoff, Eason Jordans daddy?? Turds of a feather...)
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To: sure_fine
Have you ever driven through Arkansas? There is practically noone there.

I do think that immigration reform is going to require a bunch of different policies to deal with a lot of situations that have been allowed to develop over years of neglect. One thing I would like to see in these naturalization proposals is mandatory criminal checks.

11 posted on 05/18/2005 7:33:21 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: jackbenimble

Yes. He was merely parroting the Bush line while on the Bush staff. Asa, by his very demeanor, repeatedly revealed his frustration with Bush's hands off policy and I was surprised to see him last as long as he did. He knew the problem but was forced not to confront it. It was Karl Marx Rove and President Bush.


12 posted on 05/18/2005 7:34:52 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: LNewman

Is there another good link to the original story?


13 posted on 05/18/2005 7:37:11 AM PDT by Happy2BMe ("Viva La Migra" - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: HiJinx
Asa will get his knickers ripped when he tries to run for gubner of Arkansas.

True, he was under the direct thumb of the president (who is an open-border advocate himself), but he did nothing to defend our border.

Perhaps he just couldn't, given the length of his leash.

14 posted on 05/18/2005 7:39:47 AM PDT by Happy2BMe ("Viva La Migra" - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: HiJinx

>>How many of us, even on FR, were aware of the truth regarding our southern border two years ago?<<

I was.


15 posted on 05/18/2005 7:41:22 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, it's a FREE CALL)
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To: HiJinx

"How many of us, even on FR, were aware of the truth regarding our southern border two years ago?"

Ever since Clinton came into office border enforcement has been eqivalent to zero.

Before that INS was collecting and deporting illegals all over San Diego County.

They were also regurlarly raiding businesses in Los Angeles County.

They are no longer allowed to do that, since about 92.


16 posted on 05/18/2005 7:42:11 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: B4Ranch

Yes, you certainly were. But, you and I have the advantage of living near the border...me a little more so than you, but close nonetheless.


17 posted on 05/18/2005 7:51:40 AM PDT by HiJinx (~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~ Operation 4th of July ~)
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To: Happy2BMe
"Perhaps he just couldn't, given the length of his leash. "

That's my take on Asa, too. He often seemed to be hiding/disguising frustration and apparent caution which came off as a sort of distance/aloofness, IMO.

18 posted on 05/18/2005 7:58:25 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: Happy2BMe
Is there another good link to the original story?

Why, is it a bad link?

If it requires registration and you want log-in/password information, try looking at http://www.bugmenot.com

To look for other sources on this story, try searching at http://news.google.com.

19 posted on 05/18/2005 8:02:28 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: LNewman

Looks like Feinstein has already started her campaign for reelection...

Too bad Condi Rice won't come home to run against her...


20 posted on 05/18/2005 8:02:42 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: ClaireSolt

I grew up on the Ark, MO, line..I know what its like there and what it become


21 posted on 05/18/2005 8:03:49 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: Happy2BMe
Link to the article
http://www.ocregister.com/ocr/2005/05/18/sections/news/focus_government/article_523618.php

Printer friendly version of the article:
http://www.ocregister.com/ocr/2005/05/18/sections/news/focus_government/print_523618.php

22 posted on 05/18/2005 8:06:34 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: wildbill
How would you ever keep track of who is staying permanently at agricultural jobs?.

Under Feinstein's idea, which hasn't yet been finalized, longtime undocumented agricultural workers would get a "blue card," allowing them to continue to work in agriculture. After a period of years of continued agricultural work, they would be entitled to trade in their blue card for a "green card."

There is nothing new here, the SAW program in the mid 80s did the same thing. The result was as soon as the illegal aliens in agg received their valid immigration cards they left agg for better jobs in construction or the service industry. (I am sure all of us would do the same)

This created a labor shortage in agg into which an entire new generation of illegal aliens rushed into fill the vacuum. Proposals like this always result in more illegal immigration. IMHO the only program that will help is a non-immigrant guest worker program with no link to formal immigration. Guest workers could apply for permanent residence status while working as a guest worker, but they would have to wait in line like everyone else.

23 posted on 05/18/2005 8:06:51 AM PDT by usurper (Correct spelling is overrated)
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To: DumpsterDiver

Thank you.


24 posted on 05/18/2005 8:08:07 AM PDT by Happy2BMe ("Viva La Migra" - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: kellynla

yes, what a timely time to bulk up the vote and she is definitely running for re-election, but apparently she doesn't understand magnetic fields. a guest worker program would be a magnet for illegal immigration? how does she explain the giant flow right now? how weak.


25 posted on 05/18/2005 8:08:46 AM PDT by avital2
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To: HiJinx
Sheesh, I can't believe I'm making excuses for ol' Asa...

Neither can I! Remember the illegal alien sweeps in Temeculah, California where a dozen border patrol agents rounded up about 400 illegal aliens in about 10 days? Asa was the guy who shut those down. Here is an audio link to the John and Ken Show Archives which show what a weasel the guy is. This was a town hall meeting put on by another weasel on this topic, Rep. Darrell Issa. This would be pretty funny (if it was not so sad) because the crowd gives these quislings a tough time.

26 posted on 05/18/2005 8:09:00 AM PDT by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: JesseJane
You mean the NAFTA-created bilateral and trilateral committees who are still trying to convince the Mexican customs broker on the U.S. side of the border that cash payoffs from the truckers for the fees and duties aren't the way we do business?

Requiring four to seven tractor and trailer movements for the crossing process for one southbound shipment is a good way for the brokers to get rich but it doesn't do much for moving freight expeditiously.

Anytime you are in an American truck stop and see a Mexican truck, walk over and talk to the driver. If he can't understand you or speak English in return to your questions call the DOT and report him. Speaking English is a federal requirement of all truckers who drive in the US.
27 posted on 05/18/2005 8:18:06 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, it's a FREE CALL)
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To: avital2

Time for a conservative to come forward and end this dinosaur's political career...
maybe Chris Cox???
Although there was some support for Cox to run against Boxer, he wouldn't budge...


28 posted on 05/18/2005 8:20:48 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: HiJinx

1100 miles isn't what most folks would call close. Reno to Tucson is about 1000 miles, isn't it?


29 posted on 05/18/2005 8:24:32 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, it's a FREE CALL)
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To: kellynla

I'll vote for anyone who puts America in front of reelection.


30 posted on 05/18/2005 8:26:38 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, it's a FREE CALL)
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To: B4Ranch

Let me pull my atlas out, here...ummm...yup, that looks about right. I didn't think you were that far away.

Still, it's all relative...in your case, the 'border' has moved itself close to you. Did you see the satire posted last week about Mexicans moving north when Los Angeles was declared to be part of Mexico?


31 posted on 05/18/2005 8:29:03 AM PDT by HiJinx (~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~ Operation 4th of July ~)
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To: B4Ranch
Anytime you are in an American truck stop and see a Mexican truck, walk over and talk to the driver. If he can't understand you or speak English in return to your questions call the DOT and report him. Speaking English is a federal requirement of all truckers who drive in the US.

Good to know ... what with 700+ Mexican trucking firms vying for passage authority on US highways. Another number for the speed dial.

32 posted on 05/18/2005 8:32:59 AM PDT by LNewman
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To: HiJinx

Yes and I see them in the finer steak houses in Reno also.


33 posted on 05/18/2005 8:33:30 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, it's a FREE CALL)
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To: usurper
The result was as soon as the illegal aliens in agg received their valid immigration cards they left agg for better jobs in construction or the service industry. (I am sure all of us would do the same)

This created a labor shortage in agg into which an entire new generation of illegal aliens rushed into fill the vacuum. Proposals like this always result in more illegal immigration.

I agree with you. People can't (and don't want to) do that kind of work indefinitely.

I think the following (from Victor Davis Hanson) needs to get more attention.

(Not directed towards you, usurper. You already get it.)

     "Let us also accept that there is something morally wrong in inviting thousands of youths from central Mexico — without legality, English or education — to work cheaply in permanently unskilled jobs until they age and tire, only to be cast by employers onto the near bankrupt entitlement industry, while we invite a new cohort of healthier and younger workers in to replace them."

Source: A Quick Fix — Do Your Own Dishes
By Victor Davis Hanson
May 16, 2005
http://jewishworldreview.com/0505/hanson051605.php3

FR thread at
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1404057/posts

34 posted on 05/18/2005 8:35:35 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: HiJinx

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Be Ever Vigilant!

Minutemen Patriots ~ Bump!


35 posted on 05/18/2005 8:38:33 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: sure_fine

Well, Fayetteville is bright and new and shiny and prosperous, thanks to the evil corporation Wallmart. The rest is desolate.


36 posted on 05/18/2005 8:38:56 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: LNewman
Feinstein, D-Calif., said any new guest-worker program – even one requiring employees to eventually return to their home country – would be a "magnet for illegal immigration" and something she could not support.

On this, she's to the right of many Republicans. Sad.

37 posted on 05/18/2005 8:46:25 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: wildbill
While I'm sympathetic to Californians wanting to ensure their stoop labor supply

Most California citizens DON'T WANT THIS, it's the politicians who push it.

38 posted on 05/18/2005 8:54:58 AM PDT by janetgreen (Minuteman Project = American Patriotism)
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To: dalereed

"Ever since Clinton came into office border enforcement has been eqivalent to zero."

I guess that Clinton was responsible for the amnesty which was Reagan's contribution?

Remember, back when we were assured it was a one-time amnesty, which would be coupled with tougher enforcement.

This Orange County resident hasn't noticed any difference, between parties and administrations.

I know how popular it is to blame everything on Clinton, but Bush has been in office over four years.

He is responsible and he stands firmly for easing movement of people; call it by any name you like.

The chance for doing anything meaningful is rowing, as more and more states get their small share of what California (and Texas, Florida, etc.) have had for decades.

As for raids on companies: I think discussing it is a oke, cuz it doesn't happen, to any meaningful amount.

Not under any recent President. But my memory only goes back 50 years, so maybe somebody else remembers a raid on a company, a farm, a construction site, etc.


39 posted on 05/18/2005 8:55:18 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: B4Ranch
>>Speaking English is a federal requirement of all truckers who drive in the US.<<

Too bad it's not a requirement for ALL drivers.

40 posted on 05/18/2005 8:55:43 AM PDT by JesseJane (Is Isikoff, Eason Jordans daddy?? Turds of a feather...)
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To: wildbill

For many years it appeared the wine industry was on its way to total mechanization of the harvest. Then the INS stopped it's raids (which used to drive the wineries and grape growers nuts). Now picking machines are few and far between. The excuse for their non use is that they BRUISE the grapes and the invading foreign national pickers are so much kinder to the vines!!


41 posted on 05/18/2005 9:10:27 AM PDT by tertiary01 (Help.....I'm a victim of Mexican imperialism.)
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To: truth_seeker

In the 80s they raided firms in the San Fernando valley on a regular basis, some at the time that we were doing conswtruction work on.

They loaded by vans and buses on a daily basis with them in Oceanside.

They rode the train from Oceanside to San Clemente and tie wrapped them for a bus trip back to Mexico.

They loaded them up on a daily basis at Lindburg that tried to go north by airline.

There weren't any illegals working in construction, at least in commercial until after 87.

You didn't notice it in Orange County back then since most didn't get that far.


42 posted on 05/18/2005 9:14:44 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: dalereed
They rode the train from Oceanside to San Clemente and tie wrapped them for a bus trip back to Mexico.

Don't know about the tie-wrapping, but I've been on trains out of San Diego when they were stopped. Guy in my car had his nose buried in a newspaper when they tapped him on the shoulder and escorted him off.

43 posted on 05/18/2005 9:19:54 AM PDT by LNewman
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To: tertiary01

Mechanization works in other countries (ie Australia). They don't seem to need a massive influx of illegals. This whole thing is about voting blocks.


44 posted on 05/18/2005 9:21:30 AM PDT by JesseJane (Is Isikoff, Eason Jordans daddy?? Turds of a feather...)
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To: wildbill
I meet more and more people who are out of a job because they were replaced by Mexican workers.These guys usually work in construction or a job in the building industry.The owners of the companies are replacing an American worker making $17 an hour with two Mexicans making $8 an hour.There's no way for even a single guy to live off of such a low wage never mind support a family.It won't be long until the majority of the jobs that require physical labor are filled with illegal immigrants.There might be some truth to the claim that they take the jobs Americans won't do but they also are taking jobs that those who didn't go to college have been relying on for many years.
45 posted on 05/18/2005 9:57:01 AM PDT by rdcorso (To Fight And Win The War On Terror We Must Secure Our Borders Now.)
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To: janetgreen

I'm not sure you can say "most" Californians don't want stoop labor for the agriculture section of their economy. Agriculture is very important to the state's economy and you can't do it all with machines.

There are even a lot of conservatives who ordinarily are against illegal immigration who understand that there has to be some kind of guest worker program. BUT you don't need to give them citizenship.


46 posted on 05/18/2005 10:14:47 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: rdcorso

Which explains the odd alliance between blue collar unions and conservatives. They both oppose illegal immigration, but for different reasons.

Fienstein represents another sliver of opinion. Liberals who have to kowtow to farming interests (for election) and civil rights activists (for ideology).

Confusing isn't it?


47 posted on 05/18/2005 10:18:32 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: LNewman

Why do we need immigrants to take these jobs. There are plenty of inner city welfare recipients who are available.


48 posted on 05/18/2005 11:13:26 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: usurper; DumpsterDiver; JesseJane
So Ms. Feinstein wishes to rehash history instead of learning from it. From a relevant Public Eye magazine article:

"In 1917 and again in 1942, the US initiated guest labor programs, commonly known as the Bracero programs, that brought Mexican workers into the Southwest to work as non-citizen farm workers and fill an alleged labor shortage. Up to half a million workers were enrolled in the program at its height.

The flow of undocumented Mexicans grew during this time, prompting a government effort to stem the tide by "drying out the wetbacks"--an effort to convert undocumented immigrants into Braceros. When that failed, "Operation Wetback" was launched with the deployment of a military style border patrol. The Bracero programs effectively exposed thousands of poor Mexicans to the wealth of the United States and contributed to immigration pressure. It also displaced Chicanos from rural agricultural jobs, fueling their exodus to urban centers".

Other articles point out that poor black and white citizens were totally shut out of these jobs as well because the agriculture industry couldn't resist dropping wages for profit when they had a workforce powerless to object.

It's time to put an end to this corruption cycle and force mechanization.- NRT

49 posted on 05/18/2005 11:52:08 AM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (Take one home with you and save a dollar today.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Or all those illegals taking up space in US prisons?


50 posted on 05/18/2005 12:17:10 PM PDT by LNewman
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