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Boomers have paid their dues to society
Sydney Morning Herald ^ | 5/18/05 | Jan Murray

Posted on 05/18/2005 10:06:08 AM PDT by qam1

Jan Murray believes boomers are right to demand your money.

I am having trouble empathising with the bleating about whose taxes will fund the ageing baby-boomer bunch in the near future. Such mean-hearted tripe. Such chutzpah - the high-chair set having a hissy fit just thinking about the load it's going to have to bear.

So, who started it and how do we stop it is what I want to know. I feel like digging out my pewter jewellery and hurling it at the next Generation-X pet who complains that his or her taxes will be supporting the likes of me because I haven't been clever enough to save for my Zimmer frame.

OK, so a decent slice of your taxes are going to have to keep us in the style we invented and will insist upon while there's breath in our used, abused (and increasingly refused) bodies. Pardon us for making up 39.76 per cent of the population.

Let's just hold that thought while I run through a few home truths.

Imagine a world without teenagers. Who invented the phenomenon? We did. The adolescent baby boomers were the social malcontents of the 50s who cut loose from the oppressive ruck and insisted on being recognised as individuals with a right to be listened to, marketed to and feared by a conservative Yesterday because we were Tomorrow - our own tomorrow, and yours.

Imagine if we had not rebelled. Elvis would have been sent back to his mum to have his mouth washed out. He would still be singing gospel in some clapboard church in Memphis, telling his grandkids how a rush of blood to his head a long time ago made him do some foolish things with his hips.

Look at it this way: the money you've been saving on dentistry - because we gave you flouride in your drinking water - is the equivalent of the tax rise you'll need to come up with on our behalf.

Between sorting my vinyls and renovating my sea-change home, I pause to wonder: why all the ingratitude and grumbling resentment? Should we have left off trying to make this a better world? Should we have just climbed the corporate ladders and left the multinationals to rip down the trees and put in their car parks?

I haven't even touched the 'f' word. This fight alone would be reason enough to drop a donation in as we pass the hat around. I'm not talking flares and fondue, either. Of course the boomers gave the world them. Just as we gave it fast-food, rock'n'roll, heart transplants, aerobics, tantric sex and the F-111. OK, so the Concorde proved to be a dud and the AK-47 was nasty, the multi-function polis never eventuated and body shirts were neither here nor there. But imagine a world without tampons, child care and equal wages.

Yes, I'm talking about feminism. Boomers went in hard on that one, and the Gen -ers who hold up half the sky today need to be reminded with each pay cheque. But that's an argument for another day. Why not just pay up and do it with a smile? Life's too short for hassles, man. Dig?


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1 posted on 05/18/2005 10:06:12 AM PDT by qam1
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2 posted on 05/18/2005 10:07:37 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: qam1

Geriatric vampires.


3 posted on 05/18/2005 10:08:09 AM PDT by AmishDude (Join the AmishDude fan club: "Very well put, AD. As usual." -- Howlin; "ROFL!" -- Dan from Michigan)
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To: qam1

I'd like to give this guy two words with one finger...


4 posted on 05/18/2005 10:11:55 AM PDT by Andonius_99
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To: qam1

When I saw the headline, I thought more onanistic drivel from Richard Cohen.


5 posted on 05/18/2005 10:15:31 AM PDT by Corporate Law (<>< -- Xavier Basketball - Perennial Slayer of #1 Ranked Teams)
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To: qam1

Good-NESS! It's tripe like this that is what makes the X-ers hate the Boomers so much! This really shows them for the selfish, greedy group that they are. Holding up half the sky? This generation did more damage to society than the three or four generations before them, and if Gen X is having problems fixing some of their messes it's because we were raised by these idiots. I know that the writer doesn't speak for every Boomer, but this is the face that the world sees, and it's what the world will remember.


6 posted on 05/18/2005 10:18:37 AM PDT by Syco
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To: qam1
...because we gave you flouride in your drinking water...

It's spelled "fluoride." Not only does the Sydney Morning Herald have writers who can't write, they can't spell either. No proofreaders/editors either, apparently.

7 posted on 05/18/2005 10:19:16 AM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'chaim!)
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To: AmishDude
Geriatric vampires.

Economic child rapists.

Grave diggers of Western Civilization.

8 posted on 05/18/2005 10:19:24 AM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: qam1
"Imagine a world without teenagers adults. Who invented the phenomenon? We did."

Fixed it for her.

Qwinn

9 posted on 05/18/2005 10:19:58 AM PDT by Qwinn
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To: Syco

I got the impression this was written somewhat tongue-in-cheek.


10 posted on 05/18/2005 10:23:14 AM PDT by Junior (Even if you are one-in-a-million, there are still 6,000 others just like you.)
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To: Andonius_99
"I'd like to give this guy two words with one finger..."

I've been around I thought a long time Andonius, but I've never heard it put that way. That's a keeper and ditto!
11 posted on 05/18/2005 10:23:17 AM PDT by poobear
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To: qam1
This is almost so out there, it almost has to be satire... Or maybe not. Imagine a world without teenagers. Who invented the phenomenon? We did. The adolescent baby boomers were the social malcontents of the 50s who cut loose from the oppressive ruck and insisted on being recognised as individuals with a right to be listened to, marketed to and feared by a conservative Yesterday because we were Tomorrow - our own tomorrow, and yours.

B.S. How about the flappers in the 1920s. How about all the people then who defied prohibition to get a drink.

And that bit about individuals with a right to be listened to? Does the phrase, "Founding fathers" ring a bell. Well, the author is Australian, so maybe not.

But of all the laughable bits, is the suggestion that Boomers invented tantric sex. Honey, tantric sex was invented by Buddhists in India, no later than the 16th century.

Of course the Boomers seem to think they invented Sex...

12 posted on 05/18/2005 10:24:38 AM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: qam1

"Imagine if we had not rebelled. Elvis would have been sent back to his mum to have his mouth washed out. He would still be singing gospel in some clapboard church in Memphis, telling his grandkids how a rush of blood to his head a long time ago made him do some foolish things with his hips."

Maybe Elvis would be alive enjoying his family, instead he died, overdosed siting on a toilet. Thanks.

Maybe instead of all the Rebelling, your generation should have gone to work and help build our future. Now your kind will just bankrupt the county.


13 posted on 05/18/2005 10:25:13 AM PDT by JeffersonRepublic.com
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To: Syco
Hey, I'm a boomer with a 9 year old daughter. (Born 1957) I don't want a dime from anyone! It's the "Greatest Generation" that put tax hold on ALL of us with all their welfare programs! Careful!
14 posted on 05/18/2005 10:26:13 AM PDT by poobear
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To: Junior

I'd agree with you except that I've sat with Bay Area liberal Boomers too many times to count who have basically said the same stuff to me. And they're dead serious!


15 posted on 05/18/2005 10:28:22 AM PDT by Syco
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To: qam1
Boomers invented tampons? They did it before they were born, I guess. And fluoride treatment for water? That concept has been around longer than the boomers. Mary Shelley would have been surprised that feminism was invented less than 40 years ago. Who knew?

Boomers have perfected serial marriage, the break up of the family, and the distortion of traditional religious values, though. I gotta give them credit for that. Thanks, guys.
16 posted on 05/18/2005 10:28:40 AM PDT by Gingersnap
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
Of course the Boomers seem to think they invented Sex...

And were too stoned to patent it. Another example of fiscal mismanagement.

17 posted on 05/18/2005 10:29:46 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (WWJD - We Want Jack Daniels!)
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To: Junior

I thought so too, but then again, tongue-in-cheek usually is written with a hint of exaggeration.


18 posted on 05/18/2005 10:35:40 AM PDT by kenth
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To: qam1
because we gave you flouride[sic] in your drinking water

Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face?

19 posted on 05/18/2005 10:35:57 AM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: qam1

They can kiss my Xer butt. We've now gotta fix all the crap that they screwed up.


20 posted on 05/18/2005 10:39:54 AM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: qam1

Boomers game us free love, abortion and high divorce rates. Thanks for all you've done.


21 posted on 05/18/2005 10:43:26 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: poobear
that's right. instead of boomers blaming x/y-ers, and vice versa, we need to blame the previous generation for coming up with these ideas of "medicare" and "medicaide" and not to mention "welfare". they are the ones that will eventually lead to bankruptcy in this country
22 posted on 05/18/2005 10:43:53 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: qam1
Feminism eh?

Gee thanks. By the way you boomers also gave me Jane Fonda and Bill Clinton (and forgettable John Fruitcake Kerry). So please take half of my salary and go to Vegas, Miami or where ever with it. I've already been bent over by you guys, I'm now used to it. When my generation cleans up your messes (if it is possible) you all will have been worm food. /rant off

On the other hand I do thank all of the Boomers who served our country, (Both as soldiers and civilians), and ended communism, I thank you for my freedom, and my ability to rant in the world's only superpower.

Cheers,

CSG

23 posted on 05/18/2005 10:46:12 AM PDT by CompSciGuy ("At 20 years of age the will reigns, at 30 the wit, at 40 the judgment." -- Ben Franklin)
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To: All

The following is a list of Baby Boomer "achievements":

The Pet Rock
The Polyester Leisure Suit
Abortion on Demand
Sex Without Responsibility
The Latch Key Child
Divorce as a lifestyle choice
Enron, World Com, Global Crossing, Drexel-Burnham
Farm Aid, Band Aid, World Aid, everything but Kool Aid
Bill Clinton, twice
Jimmy Carter
Draft Dodging as sport
Jane Fonda
First American defeat in a war which shluld have been no contest (Vietnam)
Second American defeat in a war which should have been no contest (Somalia)
Rehab centers
Theory of Global Warming
Theory of Global Cooling (make up your minds!)
PETA
Ethnic "Studies"
Gender "studies"
The professsional student
AIDS
The Theory of Supply Chain Management
Having warnings and directions for use placed upon soup cans and shampoo bottles.
The 24-second shot clock and the three-point rule.
Pitching on five days' rest
A dollar worth only 11 cents
New Ageism
The Pacer, the Pinto and the K Car
Somehow, Bread had a longer career than Guns and Roses
Pong
The creation of an educational system which has al the forms of education (schoolhouse, teacher, books) but none of the substance (information).
Racial Mollycoddling and the permanent underclass
Ward Churchill
Tom Brokaw
Geraldo Rivera
Dr. Phil
A perversion of feminism so out of kilter that most women under the age of 35 cannot tell you what day of the week it is without a support group.
Three Generations of Kennedys


As I think of more, I'll be sure to post them....Please feel free to add to the list...








24 posted on 05/18/2005 10:55:44 AM PDT by Wombat101 (Sanitized for YOUR protection....)
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To: qam1
[ Boomers have paid their dues to society ]

Jan; dues to society is a socialism, communism tentent of behavior..

A free person owes NO dues to society.. only a slave of socialism which is Slavery by Government needs to consider any DUES ro society.. Jan you must be for democracy which is itself MOB RULE.. and pre-cursor to socialism.. Democracy CAUSES socialism.. A free REPUBLIC based on law with a constitution is NOT a democracy, although democratic.. The difference between the words democratic and "A democracy" are strange to the inherent ignorance of people in a democracy..

Look them up Jan.. democratic means one thing "A DEMOCRACY" means entirly another thing.. "A" Democracy is a form of government and IS NO republic which is inherently democratic.. in its essence.. A democracy is the WORSE form of government ever invented thats why the United States is specifically NOT A DEMOCRACY... and thank GOD and our founders for that..

25 posted on 05/18/2005 10:58:06 AM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: steve-b

P. O. E.


26 posted on 05/18/2005 10:58:13 AM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian

Being 50, I am stuck with being a boomer. Over the years, I have noticed that the left wing scumbag hippies of my youth are by far the greediest, most crooked businessmen in their hippie afterlife.


27 posted on 05/18/2005 11:01:47 AM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: qam1

Boomers didn't bring us the Kalashnikov. That was brought to us by the WWII generation.


28 posted on 05/18/2005 11:03:20 AM PDT by activationproducts
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To: international american

I think I agree with you, IA...I'm four months from the big 5-0, but I repudiate a lot of what passes for things my generation is known for...


29 posted on 05/18/2005 11:04:24 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: poobear
Hey, I'm a boomer with a 9 year old daughter. (Born 1957) I don't want a dime from anyone! It's the "Greatest Generation" that put tax hold on ALL of us with all their welfare programs! Careful!

You're right. I had a real grudge against the Boomers before I realized that you guys were set up by your predecessors. I've had several heart-to-heart's with my mom and she told me about the messages delivered by her teachers. "Girls can do anything boys can do." "Go to school, go to college, get a job. Don't just be a housewife." The destruction was happening, even then.

I suppose your generation just had better press.

30 posted on 05/18/2005 11:05:07 AM PDT by Marie (Stop childhood obesity. Give them Marlboros, not milkshakes.)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine
Boomers game us free love, abortion and high divorce rates. Thanks for all you've done.

I think it went goes back beyond that. Who were the college professors who incited the riots? Who were the teachers that sewed the seeds, then sat quietly back and let the kids have their hissy fit? The Boomers didn't do it alone.

The kids fight the wars, but it's the generation before that provides the politicians and the generals.

31 posted on 05/18/2005 11:08:43 AM PDT by Marie (Stop childhood obesity. Give them Marlboros, not milkshakes.)
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To: international american
My wife is a late boomer, but she's more Gen-X in attitude. She notes that a lot of the late boomers got to see all bad results of the early boomers without having to experience it directly, which gives them a different perspective.
32 posted on 05/18/2005 11:12:33 AM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

We have much to proud of, but carry the baggage of much we as a generation as well.

We are responsible for the tenured radicals in our universities
We are responsible for hard drug use passing into the middle class.
We are responsible for destroying what was left of the public schools.
We spat on returning veterans who were doing the dying for the spoiled middle and upper middle class kids who had college deferments.

Just to name a few .


33 posted on 05/18/2005 11:15:48 AM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: qam1

The 'All About Me Generation' speaks!


34 posted on 05/18/2005 11:15:50 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: international american

I didn't do it! I swear! I was a conservative faculty member!

But people in my age cohort certainly worked for it.

Let us add a casual disrespect for authority and the law to the list while we are at it.


35 posted on 05/18/2005 11:18:30 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: qam1

Loved the angry replies from all the clueless dolts who just didn't get it.


36 posted on 05/18/2005 11:18:50 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: activationproducts
Boomers didn't bring us the Kalashnikov. That was brought to us by the WWII generation.

The first Kalashnikov submachine gun was invented by Mikhail Timofeevich Kalashnikov in 1941.

It was the "red diaper doper baby" boomers who supported its use against U.S. troops in SE Asia.


37 posted on 05/18/2005 11:20:25 AM PDT by XR7
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To: Marie
That's right Marie. We've been taxed and taxed and will have nothing unless we save ourselves. Hell our parents can't even give us anything without the government taking 50% upon their death. These SS Medicare, Medicaid etc. were all set up by our previous generation (Parents, FDR) with the thought that there would always be a baby boomer generation to support it. Guess that backfired a little didn't it.

The rage here on this thread that it is the baby boomer's who are standing around with their hands out is an insult. Like I said earlier. I don't expect a dime from any government agency nor do I want it. They could do away with SS and all the other welfare programs right now. It would save me a fortune each week in payroll alone. Don't forget kiddies, your employer has to match everything you pay to the government. Just be a little careful who you point your fingers to. All of us didn't elect Democrats!
38 posted on 05/18/2005 11:20:29 AM PDT by poobear
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To: Celtjew Libertarian

" She notes that a lot of the late boomers got to see all bad results of the early boomers without having to experience it directly, which gives them a different perspective"

Very true. The late boomers got to see some of the bad results of hedonistic leftism.


39 posted on 05/18/2005 11:22:07 AM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: poobear

I'm with you. I'm a boomer with my own retirement accounts and I don't care if I ever get Social Security. I would like to have it revamped for my son, his family, and others who are just starting out. I've been running my own small business since I was 25, paying gazillion taxes, and employing many young people over the years. I was temporarily a sort of hippie from age 17 to 21.


40 posted on 05/18/2005 11:23:09 AM PDT by angry elephant (Endangered species in Seattle)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

"Let us add a casual disrespect for authority and the law to the list while we are at it."

Yes, we must add this.

I was a conservative at age 15, after having read National Review for about a year. I lived in a hotbed of radicalism (Boston suburb)


41 posted on 05/18/2005 11:26:13 AM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: international american

I studied history. It taught me the cost for believing ideology over reality.


42 posted on 05/18/2005 11:27:03 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: angry elephant

"I was temporarily a sort of hippie from age 17 to 21."

Isn't everyone at that age at one time or another? Wised up at 24 and never looked back. I've never blamed any generation before or after me for my successes or failures. I am in charge of where I go in this life. Except for the intrusion of the government from time to time, we are ALL to blame for where we end up in life! So, as a previous poster wrote:

"I'd like to give some of you guys two words with one finger!"


43 posted on 05/18/2005 11:28:19 AM PDT by poobear
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To: qam1
Why not just pay up and do it with a smile? Life's too short for hassles, man. Dig?

Maybe if the Boomer generation hadn't condemned 40 million Gen X and Gen Y to death before they were even born, I might have more sympathy and a greater willingness to support them in their old age. As it is, the burden falls on it and it's largely their fault.

Fortunately for Gen X, the Baby Boomers are also the one's pushing for Euthanaisa, Dutch style and maybe they won't be a burden for as long as people think.

44 posted on 05/18/2005 11:31:31 AM PDT by Tamar1973 (Read the red! www.readthered.com)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

I took a number of history courses at Boston College.
It does teach one a great deal about how ideology can
destroy nations.


45 posted on 05/18/2005 11:38:47 AM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: angry elephant

We forgive you your 4 year brain cramp: ) I too started my own business at 25, and started buying real estate shortly thereafter. I don't expect a dime from Social Security.


46 posted on 05/18/2005 11:41:59 AM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: Tamar1973
Maybe if the Boomer generation hadn't condemned 40 million Gen X and Gen Y to death before they were even born, I might have more sympathy and a greater willingness to support them in their old age. As it is, the burden falls on it and it's largely their fault. Fortunately for Gen X, the Baby Boomers are also the one's pushing for Euthanaisa, Dutch style and maybe they won't be a burden for as long as people think.


Payback time.
The old fart boomers will just be "mercy killed."
Then they won't be a "drain" on society.
All for the common welfare, you know - the collective good.
Give peace a chance.

47 posted on 05/18/2005 11:46:56 AM PDT by XR7
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To: qam1
Oh goody, another thread condemning (sort of) the Boomers.

Gosh we were born, and then the sheite hit the fan.

The Boomers are screwed just as much as the Xers, well maybe almost as much. The Social Security scam is going to fall onto the Xers and beyond but the likely first recipients of the sensible euthanasia policies to follow will likely be the latter Boomers. Gee, go figure, most of us contributed to that SS scam for all of our working days. We also contributed a lot more than those seniors who even still are reaping the benefits. I do not envy their benefits, I simply marvel at their selfishness and stupidity. That being represented by their voting patterns. Posterity clearly means nothing to them, by and large.

Retards who continue to vote for the likes of Dennis Kucinich, Ted Kennedy, and those of their ilk will likely forever blame the Boomers because of a Ponzie scheme which we never put into play.

Well, when they take me out, I'd like to a watch a replay of the Patriots winning the Super Bowl accompanied by a bit of Mozart. Perhaps rather a good rendition of J. S. Bach's rendition of a Musical Offering.

Soylent Green is people!
48 posted on 05/18/2005 11:51:16 AM PDT by Radix (Having the best Free Republic Tag Lines since...what time is it anyhow?)
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To: Wombat101

How about the Internet.

I want to say "blow me" but I liked your post too much!


49 posted on 05/18/2005 11:55:59 AM PDT by Radix (Having the best Free Republic Tag Lines since...what time is it anyhow?)
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To: qam1

That generation gave us:

1. Disrespect as a poor example of behavior.
2. AIDS.
3. Massive drug use.
4. Massive welfare.
5. Mini-Vans.
6. Ecoterrorism.
7. Spoiled brats.
8. Narcissism.
9. Mediocrity.
10. Destruction of higher education, once known as universities, now known as adult day care centers.


50 posted on 05/18/2005 12:10:46 PM PDT by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.)
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