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Rotary Clock Discovered in Bacteria
www.creationsafaris.com ^ | 05/17/05 | Creation Evolution Headlines

Posted on 05/18/2005 11:23:17 AM PDT by DannyTN

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To: Larry Lucido

I imagine God in this context as someone who uses different techniques to achieve his ends. Evolution may be one of them.


41 posted on 05/18/2005 12:07:52 PM PDT by Protagoras (Evolution is amazing, I wonder who invented it?)
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To: Pete
Explain to me how bees do calculus.

When someone tosses you a ball, do you do calculus to determine where your hand should be in order to catch the ball? Yeah, didn't think so.

42 posted on 05/18/2005 12:08:24 PM PDT by whd23
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To: Right Wing Professor

I note that, like so many significant papers nowadays, it was not researched in the United States.


43 posted on 05/18/2005 12:09:15 PM PDT by From many - one.
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To: Pete

Pressures from surrounding cells drives the formation of the hexagonal honey comb. There is nothing supernatural about it at all.


44 posted on 05/18/2005 12:09:36 PM PDT by Junior (“Even if you are one-in-a-million, there are still 6,000 others just like you.”)
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To: DannyTN
As the complexes break up in the morning, expression resumes, and the cell wakes up.

Sounds like an alarm clock.
Where are the diagrams like I had in microbiology class?

45 posted on 05/18/2005 12:10:32 PM PDT by graycamel
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
"Well, my immediate question, being a pastor, I have this one family who is late every week,so if i give them this bacteria clock will they get to the church ontime??heh!!"

No, if they weren't late, they'd probably be bringing a lot more bacterial clocks with them to church. Better to let them be late and just be glad they are there at all.

46 posted on 05/18/2005 12:11:23 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Pete

Ever catch a ball?

Do you do caclulus to figure it out?


47 posted on 05/18/2005 12:13:01 PM PDT by From many - one.
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To: Talking_Mouse
Please explain this in slightly more normal english. I think you are saying because of the point of the hexagon less volume is used so it (bee's wax) is a very efficient structure. However, I have been wrong before and I will be wrong again. So, please enlighten me.

That is essentially what I am saying.

Not only is it an efficient structure, it is the most efficient structure. It is straight forward to use calculus to calculate how "high" the point has to be in order to minimize the surface area of a pointed tetrahedral apex. It turns out that bees set the point height exactly to the value calculus tells us it needs to be to minimize the wax used.

48 posted on 05/18/2005 12:14:19 PM PDT by Pete
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To: whd23
When someone tosses you a ball, do you do calculus to determine where your hand should be in order to catch the ball? Yeah, didn't think so.

That doesn't even make sense.

49 posted on 05/18/2005 12:15:28 PM PDT by Pete
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To: whd23

Beat me.

I type too slowly.


50 posted on 05/18/2005 12:15:33 PM PDT by From many - one.
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To: Junior
Pressures from surrounding cells drives the formation of the hexagonal honey comb.

I am not talking about the fact that they are hexagons. I am talking about the other end. The pointed tetrahedral apex.

51 posted on 05/18/2005 12:16:53 PM PDT by Pete
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To: DannyTN
Wow.....

a hex clock..... I'm a great believer in hex and tri parted stuff.

By the way, Kai Winding was my favorite, but I think he favored off beat rhythms.
52 posted on 05/18/2005 12:17:05 PM PDT by bert (Rename Times Square......... Rudy Square.)
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To: DannyTN
A true Bio logical clock

(of course who would Buy an illogical clock)

53 posted on 05/18/2005 12:18:34 PM PDT by tophat9000 (When the State ASSUMES death...It makes an ASH out of you and me)
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To: From many - one.
I note that, like so many significant papers nowadays, it was not researched in the United States.

You kidding? Molecular cladistics is likely to be illegal in Kansas in the near future.

54 posted on 05/18/2005 12:19:07 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Pete

....Bees doing calculus just doesn't cut it for me.....

Have you ever listened to their conversations? That would be interesting and until we can understand bees, there's no hope of conversing with extraterrestials.

The other end of the wax cell is spherical and lacks the symmetry, indicating some bees have more than others in the head.


55 posted on 05/18/2005 12:21:10 PM PDT by bert (Rename Times Square......... Rudy Square.)
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To: Pete
It turns out that bees set the point height exactly to the value calculus tells us it needs to be to minimize the wax used.

Individual bees can't do calculus - they just do what they're programmed to do. However, evolution can do calculus. If a more efficient structure causes more bee genes to be passed on, eventually evolution will select for the genes that cause the bees to build the most efficient structure - in effect, finding the point at which the slope of the efficiency with respect to each independent structural variable is zero.

56 posted on 05/18/2005 12:22:31 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Pete
I still haven't seen a satisfactory explantion for the pointed tetrahedral apex in the honeycomb where the displacement is approximately 35% of the length of the side of the hexagon (this results in a local minimum on the area). Bees doing calculus just doesn't cut it for me.

Does water have to "do calculus" to form a sphere in a drop? Do you have to "do calculus" to throw a ball over the plate, or hit a moving target with a stone?

Bees that wasted energy making inefficient honeycombs lost out to bees that made them right.

57 posted on 05/18/2005 12:22:48 PM PDT by NonZeroSum
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To: Right Wing Professor
Oh, BTW, hi everyone!

Welcome back! We figured you were on one of your "black ops" projects a la A Beautiful Mind.

58 posted on 05/18/2005 12:23:53 PM PDT by bondserv (Creation sings a song of praise, Declaring the wonders of Your ways †)
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To: Right Wing Professor

No, if the new definition of science goes through, it will be simple:

"This is very complex, I can't understand it. God did it."


59 posted on 05/18/2005 12:24:47 PM PDT by From many - one.
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To: bert
The other end of the wax cell is spherical and lacks the symmetry

Source?

60 posted on 05/18/2005 12:25:59 PM PDT by Pete
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