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Experts Call for Common North America Border
Yahoo - Reuters ^ | May 17, 2005 | Larry Fine

Posted on 05/18/2005 3:16:34 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

The United States, Canada and Mexico should establish a common security perimeter to guard against terrorism in North America, a tri-national independent task force said in a report released on Tuesday.

The countries should police their borders together to help border trade, allow easier movement of citizens and to keep out potential security threats, the task force said at New York's Council on Foreign Relations.

"If our two borders, the one between Canada and the United States and the U.S. and Mexico, became a frontline for security the impact that would have on normal relations and economic relations would be profound," said co-chairman John Manley, a former Canadian deputy prime minister and minister of finance.

The task force was sponsored by private groups in each of the three countries including the U.S. Council on Foreign Relations, and there was no indication that governments would act on the proposals.

The report, titled "Building a North American Community," also called for free movement within the continent for citizens through a North American Border Pass with biometric identifiers and other measures to increase economic and military cooperation between the countries.

William Weld, a former Republican governor of Massachusetts, and Pedro Aspe, former finance minister of Mexico, were the other co-chairmen of the task force, comprised of over 20 experts from government, business and academia.

Manley contrasted the scrutiny of goods flowing between Canada and the United States with a lax attitude to imports arriving at shipping ports.

"As I told my one-time U.S. counterpart (U.S. Homeland Security chief) Tom Ridge once, 'You inspect a grain car entering the U.S. from Saskatchewan closer than you do container traffic coming into the United States from the Middle East.' And I think that's still the case."

Other recommendations included improving labor mobility, developing an energy strategy with greater emphasis on reducing harmful emissions and establishing an investment fund to build infrastructure to connect Mexico's poorer regions in the South to the market of the North.


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1 posted on 05/18/2005 3:16:35 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative

Pass


2 posted on 05/18/2005 3:18:36 PM PDT by Mortikhi
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To: West Coast Conservative

Why do I sense that Vicente Fox is behind this?


3 posted on 05/18/2005 3:19:27 PM PDT by ABG(anybody but Gore) (From Roe v Wade to Terri Schiavo, the RATS have become a death cult...)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Not likely.


4 posted on 05/18/2005 3:19:44 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: West Coast Conservative
This is not necessary.


5 posted on 05/18/2005 3:19:55 PM PDT by rdb3 (One may smile and smile and still be a villain.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

pffft.


6 posted on 05/18/2005 3:20:01 PM PDT by Finger Monkey (H.R. 25, Fair Tax Act - A consumption tax which replaces the income tax, SS tax, death tax, etc.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Bullhockey, I want our borders honored and those crossing illegally to pay consequences.


7 posted on 05/18/2005 3:20:47 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

So basically, Canada and Mexico want us to foot the bill for guarding their borders. No thanks.

Best Regards

Sergio


8 posted on 05/18/2005 3:21:32 PM PDT by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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To: Mortikhi

Yep, Instead of everyone else shoring up their security, they want to put us at a disadvantage.


9 posted on 05/18/2005 3:22:23 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: West Coast Conservative

No Thanks.


10 posted on 05/18/2005 3:22:50 PM PDT by Dallas59 (" I have a great team that is going to beat George W. Bush" John Kerry -2004)
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To: West Coast Conservative

The devil is in the details...sounds fishy to me but I'm willing to listen...


11 posted on 05/18/2005 3:23:16 PM PDT by Cornpone (Aging Warrior -- Aim High -- Who Dares Wins)
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To: Mortikhi

OK. How about we simply do it the traditional way and invade and take over Mexico and Canada? We can then apply our own constitution, establish order and create a greater US spaning the entire Northern Hemisphere. That would certainly fix the problem - any takers?


12 posted on 05/18/2005 3:23:59 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: West Coast Conservative

This free movement of all citizens within North America would amount to a merger of the labor markets in the three countries, thus driving down wages and salaries in the US and Canada while raising personal income in Mexico. This would only benefit large employers and would really hurt unskilled workers in the US and Canada.


13 posted on 05/18/2005 3:24:16 PM PDT by defenderSD ("I am not a troll" said the troll as a thunderous Zot descended on him.)
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To: rdb3

correct. something else lies below this public-consumption proposal.

I like the new tag-graphic, btw


14 posted on 05/18/2005 3:24:18 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: rdb3

Hey, I like the new variation on your logo! :)


15 posted on 05/18/2005 3:24:21 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (Allen/DeLay '08!!)
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To: West Coast Conservative
No problem.

In return, Canada and Mexico will need to implement our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

16 posted on 05/18/2005 3:25:16 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
The report, titled "Building a North American Community," also called for free movement within the continent for citizens through a North American Border Pass with biometric identifiers and other measures to increase economic and military cooperation between the countries.

Here it comes: The New World Order. The Bushes are good at getting others to present their strategery.

17 posted on 05/18/2005 3:25:59 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Truth is a rare commodity. Seek it, know it and cherish it.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

We already have a common defense perimeter. It's called "the border of the United States".


18 posted on 05/18/2005 3:26:10 PM PDT by Regulator
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My concern is with Mexico (isn't it everyone's?, I imagine the Mexican side would use this to more easily slip illegal Mexi's across. The devil is definately in the details.


19 posted on 05/18/2005 3:26:37 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (It's time the left - left!!!)
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To: Interesting Times
In return, Canada and Mexico will need to implement our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

They should also adopt 100% of our federal law and pay all applicable federal taxes as states in the union.
20 posted on 05/18/2005 3:27:07 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: King Prout
The present administration sure seems to be doing all it can to ignore or erase our current national border.


21 posted on 05/18/2005 3:28:44 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: ARCADIA

Can you refresh my memory? When did we invade, conquer, and take over any soverign nation and apply our constitution to it?


22 posted on 05/18/2005 3:29:51 PM PDT by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Globalism Lite - our neighbors want us to protect them. Neither has the will and means to do it for themselves. We've got enough border to protect, without taking care of them as well.


23 posted on 05/18/2005 3:30:17 PM PDT by Ed_in_NJ (Who killed Suzanne Coleman?)
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To: ARCADIA
...create a greater US spaning the entire Northern Hemisphere.

Was that supposed to have been "spanning" or "spanking". ;-)

24 posted on 05/18/2005 3:31:08 PM PDT by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: gubamyster; HiJinx; shellshocked; Czar; wardaddy; Marine Inspector; onyx; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; ...
Here it comes folks.

"Border? You don't need no stinkin' border!"


U.S. Constitution Article 4 Section 4:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,

and shall protect each of them against Invasion;"

Invasion:

Invasion \In*va"sion\, n. [L. invasio: cf. F. invasion. See Invade.] [1913 Webster]

1. The act of invading; the act of encroaching upon the rights or possessions of another; encroachment; trespass.

25 posted on 05/18/2005 3:31:30 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Euopean Union tried that and now its economy is sinking. North American Union? No thanks. We have enlugh illegal immigrants as it is.


26 posted on 05/18/2005 3:31:34 PM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the U.N. out of the U.S. and U.S. out of the U.N.!)
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To: West Coast Conservative

This is going to send Michael Savage over the edge.


27 posted on 05/18/2005 3:32:09 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan
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To: defenderSD
This would only benefit large employers and would really hurt unskilled workers in the US and Canada.

Bingo. This is about big business and profits. Nothing more, nothing less.

28 posted on 05/18/2005 3:32:21 PM PDT by zarf
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To: ARCADIA
OK. How about we simply do it the traditional way and invade and take over Mexico and Canada? We can then apply our own constitution, establish order and create a greater US spaning the entire Northern Hemisphere. That would certainly fix the problem - any takers?

I'll be honest and say that that idea has crossed my mind. A lot of oil down there in Mexico. But no one would support it, so, forget it.


29 posted on 05/18/2005 3:32:52 PM PDT by rdb3 (One may smile and smile and still be a villain.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Canada is too lenient in accepting potential terrorists into their country and Mexico is to0 corrupt and incompetent to be trusted. NO THANKS!


30 posted on 05/18/2005 3:33:41 PM PDT by umgud (FR, NASCAR, NRA, GOP)
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To: rdb3

If we invaded Mexico or Canada, our own enviro whacko's would immediately demand we shut down the oilfields, so it probably ain't worth invading either.


31 posted on 05/18/2005 3:35:33 PM PDT by umgud (FR, NASCAR, NRA, GOP)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Is the author of this piece really named Larry Fine???


32 posted on 05/18/2005 3:35:41 PM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: Travis McGee

as a degreed classical historian who concentrated on the Roman Empire, and having been aware since 1990 of the demographic statistics south of our border, I am none too pleased with Dubya's continuing love-affair with Vincente Fox, nor with the Federal and State governments' refusals to effectively control the border.

perhaps we SHOULD publicly send emissaries to the Israeli Embassy in DC, and entreat them to build a fence for us?


33 posted on 05/18/2005 3:36:21 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: ARCADIA

"create a greater US spaning the entire Northern Hemisphere. That would certainly fix the problem - any takers?"

No not here, Canada youy might convince me of, Mexico no thanks, in fact I wonder if they want southern California back


34 posted on 05/18/2005 3:36:44 PM PDT by Ignatius J Reilly
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To: basil

Never. The closest that we have come to it was during our national expansion westward. Texas was the only sovereign nation that voluntarilly joined the union, and there were other formal colonies of other nations which made the transition; such as the southwestern states (former Mexican territories), Puerto Rico, Louisina, and Florida. But, if that is the grand scheme of things, then so be it, but they have to go the whole 9 yards and not just pick off a few favors.


35 posted on 05/18/2005 3:36:56 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: King Prout
Our political bosses will never ever approve the construction of a real fence, because they want the opposite: no border at all.


36 posted on 05/18/2005 3:38:01 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Council on Foreign Relations

Haven't they screwed up enough stuff?

37 posted on 05/18/2005 3:38:51 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: umgud
If we invaded Mexico or Canada, our own enviro whacko's would immediately demand we shut down the oilfields, so it probably ain't worth invading either.

Perhaps. Then again, if we had the gumption to take Mexico, I'm sure we will have no problems telling the enviro-nut cases to find a short pier and take a long walk.

Splash!


38 posted on 05/18/2005 3:39:04 PM PDT by rdb3 (One may smile and smile and still be a villain.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

"The United States, Canada and Mexico should establish a common security perimeter to guard against terrorism in North America"


Mexico can't seem to keep their own country in order.


39 posted on 05/18/2005 3:39:18 PM PDT by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

OK. I want Park Place and Boardwalk then. Oh. And Banff and Whitesprings.


40 posted on 05/18/2005 3:40:50 PM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: Mortikhi

"Pass"

I thought the bid was 1 spade. ;>


41 posted on 05/18/2005 3:42:21 PM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: Travis McGee

true

well. probably true. I hope not, but hope is a cruddy foundation for international politics.

I cannot help but think that apublic and civilian delegation to the Israelis on such an errand as I propose (stole from another acerbic FReeper) would EMBARRASS THE HELL out of some folks, and perhaps make them break cover.

beating the grasses sometimes works. so does setting them alight.


42 posted on 05/18/2005 3:42:43 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: the anti-liberal

Canada lets everyone in; I'd be concerned about terrorists coming in on that border, also.


43 posted on 05/18/2005 3:44:53 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert (Texas Cowboy...you da man!!)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Yeah, what I like about this (not) is that these same bastards don't see anything wrong with open borders. If it's a good idea, then it's a good idea to slam down on our own borders NOW, without other nations userping our sovereignty. Who'd a thunk it?


44 posted on 05/18/2005 3:45:30 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: ARCADIA

California was also a Republic that "joined". While it was only a stand alone republic for some 24 or so hours, it was still a nation before it joined.


45 posted on 05/18/2005 3:47:32 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: ARCADIA

You're reading my mind.


46 posted on 05/18/2005 3:51:44 PM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: Travis McGee

BTTT...


47 posted on 05/18/2005 3:52:13 PM PDT by in the Arena (Life may begin at 30, but it doesn't get real interesting until about 110.)
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To: shellshocked
Will Los Angeles be the capital of the "Aztlan Autonomous Region of North America?"

He was the president of the UCLA chapter of MEChA, which calls for the Southwest to become "Aztlan."

Note that the MEChA eagle is holding a lit bundle of dynamite. I guess that's a "peaceful" bundle of lit dynamite it's ready to drop on....somebody.

48 posted on 05/18/2005 3:58:05 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: King Prout
Frankly, I think we have Quislings at many levels molding our national policy.

Quisling: a synonym for "traitor", someone who collaborates with the invaders of his country.

49 posted on 05/18/2005 3:59:38 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Dog Gone

The North American Security Perimeter was the subject discussed by Bush, Fox, and Martin in March at Crawford. It was also discussed by Condi in her trip to Mexico, prior to that.


50 posted on 05/18/2005 4:01:56 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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