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The Case for the Empire
Weekly Standard ^ | May 16, 2002 | Jonathan V. Last

Posted on 05/18/2005 5:56:39 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

STAR WARS RETURNS today with its fifth installment, "Attack of the Clones." There will be talk of the Force and the Dark Side and the epic morality of George Lucas's series. But the truth is that from the beginning, Lucas confused the good guys with the bad. The deep lesson of Star Wars is that the Empire is good.

It's a difficult leap to make--embracing Darth Vader and the Emperor over the plucky and attractive Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia--but a careful examination of the facts, sorted apart from Lucas's off-the-shelf moral cues, makes a quite convincing case.

First, an aside: For the sake of this discussion, I've considered only the history gleaned from the actual Star Wars films, not the Expanded Universe. If you know what the Expanded Universe is and want to argue that no discussion of Star Wars can be complete without considering material outside the canon, that's fine. However, it's always been my view that the comic books and novels largely serve to clean up Lucas's narrative and philosophical messes. Therefore, discussions of intrinsic intent must necessarily revolve around the movies alone. You may disagree, but please don't e-mail me about it.

If you don't know what the Expanded Universe is, well, uh, neither do I.

I. The Problems with the Galactic Republic

At the beginning of the Star Wars saga, the known universe is governed by the Galactic Republic. The Republic is controlled by a Senate, which is, in turn, run by an elected chancellor who's in charge of procedure, but has little real power.

Scores of thousands of planets are represented in the Galactic Senate, and as we first encounter it, it is sclerotic and ineffectual. The Republic has grown over many millennia to the point where there are so many factions and disparate interests, that it is simply too big to be governable. Even the Republic's staunchest supporters recognize this failing: In "The Phantom Menace," Queen Amidala admits, "It is clear to me now that the Republic no longer functions." In "Attack of the Clones," young Anakin Skywalker observes that it simply "doesn't work."

The Senate moves so slowly that it is powerless to stop aggression between member states. In "The Phantom Menace" a supra-planetary alliance, the Trade Federation (think of it as OPEC to the Galactic Republic's United Nations), invades a planet and all the Senate can agree to do is call for an investigation.

Like the United Nations, the Republic has no armed forces of its own, but instead relies on a group of warriors, the Jedi knights, to "keep the peace." The Jedi, while autonomous, often work in tandem with the Senate, trying to smooth over quarrels and avoid conflicts. But the Jedi number only in the thousands--they cannot protect everyone.

What's more, it's not clear that they should be "protecting" anyone. The Jedi are Lucas's great heroes, full of Zen wisdom and righteous power. They encourage people to "use the Force"--the mystical energy which is the source of their power--but the truth, revealed in "The Phantom Menace," is that the Force isn't available to the rabble. The Force comes from midi-chlorians, tiny symbiotic organisms in people's blood, like mitochondria. The Force, it turns out, is an inherited, genetic trait. If you don't have the blood, you don't get the Force. Which makes the Jedi not a democratic militia, but a royalist Swiss guard.

And an arrogant royalist Swiss guard, at that. With one or two notable exceptions, the Jedi we meet in Star Wars are full of themselves. They ignore the counsel of others (often with terrible consequences), and seem honestly to believe that they are at the center of the universe. When the chief Jedi record-keeper is asked in "Attack of the Clones" about a planet she has never heard of, she replies that if it's not in the Jedi archives, it doesn't exist. (The planet in question does exist, again, with terrible consequences.)

In "Attack of the Clones," a mysterious figure, Count Dooku, leads a separatist movement of planets that want to secede from the Republic. Dooku promises these confederates smaller government, unlimited free trade, and an "absolute commitment to capitalism." Dooku's motives are suspect--it's not clear whether or not he believes in these causes. However, there's no reason to doubt the motives of the other separatists--they seem genuinely to want to make a fresh start with a government that isn't bloated and dysfunctional.

The Republic, of course, is eager to quash these separatists, but they never make a compelling case--or any case, for that matter--as to why, if they are such a freedom-loving regime, these planets should not be allowed to check out of the Republic and take control of their own destinies.

II. The Empire

We do not yet know the exact how's and why's, but we do know this: At some point between the end of Episode II and the beginning of Episode IV, the Republic is replaced by an Empire. The first hint comes in "Attack of the Clones," when the Senate's Chancellor Palpatine is granted emergency powers to deal with the separatists. It spoils very little to tell you that Palpatine eventually becomes the Emperor. For a time, he keeps the Senate in place, functioning as a rubber-stamp, much like the Roman imperial senate, but a few minutes into Episode IV, we are informed that the he has dissolved the Senate, and that "the last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away."

Lucas wants the Empire to stand for evil, so he tells us that the Emperor and Darth Vader have gone over to the Dark Side and dresses them in black.

But look closer. When Palpatine is still a senator, he says, "The Republic is not what it once was. The Senate is full of greedy, squabbling delegates. There is no interest in the common good." At one point he laments that "the bureaucrats are in charge now."

Palpatine believes that the political order must be manipulated to produce peace and stability. When he mutters, "There is no civility, there is only politics," we see that at heart, he's an esoteric Straussian.

Make no mistake, as emperor, Palpatine is a dictator--but a relatively benign one, like Pinochet. It's a dictatorship people can do business with. They collect taxes and patrol the skies. They try to stop organized crime (in the form of the smuggling rings run by the Hutts). The Empire has virtually no effect on the daily life of the average, law-abiding citizen.

Also, unlike the divine-right Jedi, the Empire is a meritocracy. The Empire runs academies throughout the galaxy (Han Solo begins his career at an Imperial academy), and those who show promise are promoted, often rapidly. In "The Empire Strikes Back" Captain Piett is quickly promoted to admiral when his predecessor "falls down on the job."

And while it's a small point, the Empire's manners and decorum speak well of it. When Darth Vader is forced to employ bounty hunters to track down Han Solo, he refuses to address them by name. Even Boba Fett, the greatest of all trackers, is referred to icily as "bounty hunter." And yet Fett understands the protocol. When he captures Solo, he calls him "Captain Solo." (Whether this is in deference to Han's former rank in the Imperial starfleet, or simply because Han owns and pilots his own ship, we don't know. I suspect it's the former.)

But the most compelling evidence that the Empire isn't evil comes in "The Empire Strikes Back" when Darth Vader is battling Luke Skywalker. After an exhausting fight, Vader is poised to finish Luke off, but he stays his hand. He tries to convert Luke to the Dark Side with this simple plea: "There is no escape. Don't make me destroy you. . . . Join me, and I will complete your training. With our combined strength, we can end this destructive conflict and bring order to the galaxy." It is here we find the real controlling impulse for the Dark Side and the Empire. The Empire doesn't want slaves or destruction or "evil." It wants order.

None of which is to say that the Empire isn't sometimes brutal. In Episode IV, Imperial stormtroopers kill Luke's aunt and uncle and Grand Moff Tarkin orders the destruction of an entire planet, Alderaan. But viewed in context, these acts are less brutal than they initially appear. Poor Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen reach a grisly end, but only after they aid the rebellion by hiding Luke and harboring two fugitive droids. They aren't given due process, but they are traitors.

The destruction of Alderaan is often cited as ipso facto proof of the Empire's "evilness" because it seems like mass murder--planeticide, even. As Tarkin prepares to fire the Death Star, Princess Leia implores him to spare the planet, saying, "Alderaan is peaceful. We have no weapons." Her plea is important, if true.

But the audience has no reason to believe that Leia is telling the truth. In Episode IV, every bit of information she gives the Empire is willfully untrue. In the opening, she tells Darth Vader that she is on a diplomatic mission of mercy, when in fact she is on a spy mission, trying to deliver schematics of the Death Star to the Rebel Alliance. When asked where the Alliance is headquartered, she lies again.

Leia's lies are perfectly defensible--she thinks she's serving the greater good--but they make her wholly unreliable on the question of whether or not Alderaan really is peaceful and defenseless. If anything, since Leia is a high-ranking member of the rebellion and the princess of Alderaan, it would be reasonable to suspect that Alderaan is a front for Rebel activity or at least home to many more spies and insurgents like Leia.

Whatever the case, the important thing to recognize is that the Empire is not committing random acts of terror. It is engaged in a fight for the survival of its regime against a violent group of rebels who are committed to its destruction.

III. After the Rebellion

As we all know from the final Star Wars installment, "Return of the Jedi," the rebellion is eventually successful. The Emperor is assassinated, Darth Vader abdicates his post and dies, the central governing apparatus of the Empire is destroyed in a spectacular space battle, and the rebels rejoice with their small, annoying Ewok friends. But what happens next?

(There is a raft of literature on this point, but, as I said at the beginning, I'm going to ignore it because it doesn't speak to Lucas's original intent.)

In Episode IV, after Grand Moff Tarkin announces that the Imperial Senate has been abolished, he's asked how the Emperor can possibly hope to keep control of the galaxy. "The regional governors now have direct control over territories," he says. "Fear will keep the local systems in line."

So under Imperial rule, a large group of regional potentates, each with access to a sizable army and star destroyers, runs local affairs. These governors owe their fealty to the Emperor. And once the Emperor is dead, the galaxy will be plunged into chaos.

In all of the time we spend observing the Rebel Alliance, we never hear of their governing strategy or their plans for a post-Imperial universe. All we see are plots and fighting. Their victory over the Empire doesn't liberate the galaxy--it turns the galaxy into Somalia writ large: dominated by local warlords who are answerable to no one.

Which makes the rebels--Lucas's heroes--an unimpressive crew of anarchic royals who wreck the galaxy so that Princess Leia can have her tiara back.

I'll take the Empire.


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This was posted last month, but I thought I would re-post it considering the movie comes out tomorrow.
1 posted on 05/18/2005 5:56:40 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative

Today, for those of us across the dateline. I think I'm skipping work this afternoon. :)


2 posted on 05/18/2005 5:59:55 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (<-- sick of faux-conservatives who want federal government intervention for 'conservative things.')
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To: West Coast Conservative

Star Wars has a plot?


3 posted on 05/18/2005 6:00:43 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Leftists would have no standards at all)
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To: West Coast Conservative

I know someone who works with Somalis. They have had it rough, and come from extremely rough country, full of things that are almost unspeakable, like people being tied to trees and left to die.


4 posted on 05/18/2005 6:01:43 PM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: West Coast Conservative
But the most compelling evidence that the Empire isn't evil

What? Overlook the planet they destroyed? Some Americans are craving having a Nazi like empire these days.

5 posted on 05/18/2005 6:04:13 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: West Coast Conservative
The Empire doesn't want slaves or destruction or "evil." It wants order.

Yeah, no doubt. That's all the Nazis and the Soviets wanted too. The same goes for Mao Zedong, Kim Jong Il, Saddam Hussein, and whatever other autocrat one might favor.

Freedom is inherently disorderly. Some people will always prefer order instead of freedom. This little jack-boot thug is obviously one of those.

6 posted on 05/18/2005 6:07:58 PM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: West Coast Conservative
*LOL*

Bttt.

7 posted on 05/18/2005 6:12:44 PM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: West Coast Conservative
STAR WARS RETURNS today with its fifth installment...

Fifth? Do we not count the original "Star Wars" when counting installments?

1 original + 5 installments = 6 films?

8 posted on 05/18/2005 6:16:24 PM PDT by infidel29 ("It is only the warlike power of a civilized people that can give peace to the world."- T. Roosevelt)
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To: infidel29

The article was written in 2002.


9 posted on 05/18/2005 6:17:32 PM PDT by RWR8189 (Its Morning in America Again!)
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To: infidel29

The article is from 2002.


10 posted on 05/18/2005 6:17:46 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative

We Offered the world ORDER!

11 posted on 05/18/2005 6:21:18 PM PDT by Samurai_Jack (ride out and confront the evil!)
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To: West Coast Conservative; RWR8189

Oh, sorry that explains it.


12 posted on 05/18/2005 6:22:25 PM PDT by infidel29 ("It is only the warlike power of a civilized people that can give peace to the world."- T. Roosevelt)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Sure the Empire is evil, but they had some damn cool toys.


13 posted on 05/18/2005 6:22:49 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: infidel29

"Attack of the Clowns," which the author mentions, is the fifth installment according to release dates.


14 posted on 05/18/2005 6:23:23 PM PDT by Lord Basil (Hate isn't a family value; it's a liberal one.)
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To: Samurai_Jack
We offered the world ORDER

...and rich corinthian leather...

15 posted on 05/18/2005 6:23:30 PM PDT by infidel29 ("It is only the warlike power of a civilized people that can give peace to the world."- T. Roosevelt)
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To: West Coast Conservative
BTW, thanks for posting this.

I have another two questions that the author didn't pose:

Why is a Princess so damn great, while an Emperor is lousy? What makes a bunch of dorks--and I'm sorry, but this guy

oozes DORK--in new age robes whose magic power is on the basis of their midichlorian count such great thinkers, while a ton of average guys who wear pants are so 'evil?'

Just thinking about that makes me wanna go watch Troops again...and this time, root for the good guys.

16 posted on 05/18/2005 6:25:46 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (<-- sick of faux-conservatives who want federal government intervention for 'conservative things.')
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To: Destro

I know I am in the minority....but this kind of loathsome celebration of empire (what about the spirit of 76?) is what support for the Iraq war has brought to American conservativism.


17 posted on 05/18/2005 6:31:07 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Austin Willard Wright

Sorry but that does not even make sense.


18 posted on 05/18/2005 6:33:04 PM PDT by KJacob (If I yawn it is only in anticipation.)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

It seems that way to me as well.


19 posted on 05/18/2005 6:35:28 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Leia's lies are perfectly defensible--she thinks she's serving the greater good--

Leia is practicing taqiayy the muslim art of lieing to advance islam. I always knew there was a reason I liked the Empire.

20 posted on 05/18/2005 6:35:40 PM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: KJacob

It makes perfect sense. Conservatives used to hate empire, now they since the Iraq war they are defending it. I suppose that the Weekly Standard will organize a public burning of the Declaration of Independence one of these days as penance for trying to create a decentralized republic rather than remain loyal subjects of George III in the greatest empire of world history.


21 posted on 05/18/2005 6:42:06 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: West Coast Conservative
I felt the Empire was like the Nazis without the genocidal leanings. Yes, they blew up planets, destroyed opposing orangizations (Jedi Order) and was harsh to their enemies. But they didn't actually seek out and kill certain races.

I can even understand the destruction of Alderaan, remember Leia was elected by Alderaan by the people of that planet to represent them in the Galactic Senate. Since Leia was a tratior, ergo, those who vote for her are probably traitors too.

On the other the Rebellion was basically much like the 60's radical with more firepower. And we have all seen the evil that the 60's radicals have created when they are in power, we currently call them the Democratic party.

Now both the Rebellion and the Empire are evil organization, but at least the Empire had it's act together and I could respect them for that.

22 posted on 05/18/2005 6:46:06 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Austin Willard Wright
please!

This article was written a year before the war even started. Exactly what empire are we defending? Sorry but neither the US nor Iraq qualifies as an Empire even in the loosest definition of the word.

23 posted on 05/18/2005 6:49:49 PM PDT by KJacob (If I yawn it is only in anticipation.)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

"Conservatives used to hate empire, now they since the Iraq war they are defending it."

I don't buy this America is an empire stuff. Going to war in Iraq was not about creating an empire. We do not rule that country. They do not pay us tribute. It is the other way around. We pay them money. Great Britain was an empire, so was Rome. America is not an empire.


24 posted on 05/18/2005 7:02:11 PM PDT by faq
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To: West Coast Conservative

Some one has way too much time on their hands. They need to get a real job, pay taxes and support the people on welfare.


25 posted on 05/18/2005 7:02:27 PM PDT by antiunion person (For the Preservation of the United States, WE Need to Close Down the Borders.)
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To: Austin Willard Wright; Destro
You understand that this article is about the Empire in kids' movies, right? And that we don't actually know jack about what the rebels were rebelling for, or the state of the Republic, other than the minimal exposure given in Lucas' MOVIES (see, there's that word again, MOVIES). If there were an evil admiral-choking, country-destroying monster out there, I don't think that joking here about how great the fictitious Galactic Empire was would twist anyone's perspective on that.

But you two can act all sanctimonious and as if Star Wars is real if you want. You've got plenty of company, after all. I promise we'll try not to judge you on the basis of the company you keep.

26 posted on 05/18/2005 7:09:42 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (<-- sick of faux-conservatives who want federal government intervention for 'conservative things.')
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To: faq

A lot of you guys are taking this way too seriously. The article was written largely as a send up. It is hilarious and brilliant bit of devil's advocacy.


27 posted on 05/18/2005 7:13:13 PM PDT by Jeff F
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To: faq
Actually we are. We fought a war with Mexico in 1800's for the sole purpose of taking part of their land in the West since we couldn't get it through other means. We haven't taken over another's land in many years though.
28 posted on 05/18/2005 7:17:43 PM PDT by libertarianben (Looking for sanity and his hard to find cousin common sense)
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To: LibertarianInExile

I like the Sith.


29 posted on 05/18/2005 7:32:57 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: libertarianben

"Actually we are."

No, we are not.

em-pire: A political unit having an extensive territory or comprising a number of territories or nations and ruled by a single supreme authority.

In what way does that describe America?


30 posted on 05/18/2005 7:38:48 PM PDT by L98Fiero
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To: L98Fiero
em-pire: A political unit having an extensive territory or comprising a number of territories or nations and ruled by a single supreme authority.

In what way does that describe America?

Well, America indisputably has an extensive territory - the fourth largest nation in the world - and it is ruled by a single Supreme Court.

31 posted on 05/18/2005 7:44:41 PM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: Jeff F

EXACTLY.

Some people PREFER to keep their panties in a wad, evidently.


32 posted on 05/18/2005 7:45:19 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (<-- sick of faux-conservatives who want federal government intervention for 'conservative things.')
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To: pbrown

So does everyone else--what's most folks favorite movie of the Trilogy? Empire. What will they prefer of the first three? Revenge of the Sith.

Good villains almost always get better lines than heroes, too.


33 posted on 05/18/2005 7:47:20 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (<-- sick of faux-conservatives who want federal government intervention for 'conservative things.')
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To: AntiGuv; L98Fiero

"Well, America indisputably has an extensive territory - the fourth largest nation in the world - and it is ruled by a single Supreme Court."

He's got ya there...


34 posted on 05/18/2005 7:48:04 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (<-- sick of faux-conservatives who want federal government intervention for 'conservative things.')
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To: LibertarianInExile
I believe the Sith are better than the Jedi according to all their games. In the games, the Jedi counsel don't teach the Jedi all "THEY" know, they don't want the Jedi to be able to challenge them.

The Sith on the other hand, teach their pulpis "ALL" they know to make them stronger.

That's it in a nutshell when gaming.

I'll be rooting for the Sith.

35 posted on 05/18/2005 7:52:16 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Destro
But the most compelling evidence that the Empire isn't evil comes in "The Empire Strikes Back" when Darth Vader is battling Luke Skywalker

And that sort of deluded thinking is what is completely wrong with what's left of 'conservatism'. Your statement unfortunately is spot on. How many would gladly accept a Chancellor Palpatine as long as he was on the 'right' side and whose actions would agree with their world view?

36 posted on 05/18/2005 7:53:24 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: pbrown

pupils....sorry


37 posted on 05/18/2005 7:53:32 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: billbears

Many conservatives have morphed into what Libertarians (I am not one) have termed "Statists".


38 posted on 05/18/2005 7:56:05 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

I disagree with the big L party stance on a few things but I'm finding more to agree with them over the past few years than anything from any other party. Still consider myself a small l person though


39 posted on 05/18/2005 7:59:34 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Destro

Yeah, they're called neo-cons.


40 posted on 05/18/2005 8:09:11 PM PDT by streetpreacher (God DOES exist; He's just not into you!)
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To: Destro

Yeah, they're called neo-cons... the "jackasses" of the Republican Party.


41 posted on 05/18/2005 8:09:43 PM PDT by streetpreacher (God DOES exist; He's just not into you!)
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To: KJacob; Austin Willard Wright

It makes perfect sense; heck, it's in keeping with the neo-conservative ideal of an American Empire of which "The Weekly Standard" is the official mouthpiece. They're very honest and upfront about their desires.


42 posted on 05/18/2005 8:12:39 PM PDT by streetpreacher (God DOES exist; He's just not into you!)
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To: billbears; Destro

Apart from their stance on most social issues, I find myself increasingly identifying with a libertarian stance, at least philosophically.


43 posted on 05/18/2005 8:14:21 PM PDT by streetpreacher (God DOES exist; He's just not into you!)
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To: Jeff F

No! No different! Only different in your mind. You must unlearn what you have learned. Nothing more will I teach you today. Clear your mind of questions. Mmm. Mmmmmmmm.

44 posted on 05/18/2005 8:16:41 PM PDT by faq
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To: AntiGuv

LOL... no arguing with that. Touche.


45 posted on 05/18/2005 8:18:56 PM PDT by streetpreacher (God DOES exist; He's just not into you!)
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To: billbears

Aw, c'mon, man. It's just a movie.

But I have to admit I would sometimes prefer an Empire to what we have now, a half-ass socialist bureaucracy. At least an Empire is honest about its expansion. The EU and DC minions are simply fooling enough of the people all of the time now.

That said, I know full well that when that day comes, I'll be on the 'encase in carbonite' list.


46 posted on 05/18/2005 8:28:30 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (<-- sick of faux-conservatives who want federal government intervention for 'conservative things.')
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To: LibertarianInExile; billbears
But I have to admit I would sometimes prefer an Empire to what we have now, a half-ass socialist bureaucracy.

So you want a full assed socialist bureaucracy? Which is what empires need to thrive on.

47 posted on 05/18/2005 8:31:11 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

Not necessarily. The Mongols had a pretty simple 'bureaucratic' system: leave the current bureaucrats and rulers in place, demand a $#!#load of tribute.

Doesn't add anything, really, to the bureaucracy, except a layer of tribute. Which is just another tax.

Not that I want ANY bureaucracy in place, mind you.


48 posted on 05/18/2005 8:34:32 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (<-- sick of faux-conservatives who want federal government intervention for 'conservative things.')
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To: streetpreacher

PLEASE! Some people need to quit trying to sound so smart - it's not working! Iraq is not under imperial American control, any more than Germany or Japan. Or Cuba, for that matter.

What was called imperialism under (Republican) President McKinley over a century ago was later called Wilsonian Democracy (named for Democratic President Wilson). Neither description is accurate.

President Theodore Roosevelt got it right when he called the world America's 'new frontier.' It was this vision that realized a 'Great White Fleet' to seek out new life and new civilizations, and to bring the blessings of the American Way (the liberal Western political and cultural tradition) to those without.

We can argue about whether this vision and actions in accord with it are condescending. However, no one can seriously argue that oppression is intended when we try to help other countries out of their problems. Real conservatives know this.


49 posted on 05/18/2005 8:36:09 PM PDT by mrreaganaut (Sticks and stones may break my bones, but lawyer jokes are actionable.)
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To: rbg81
If Bolton gets shot down, appoint Vader as the UN Ambassador. That should straighten that pigsty out. ("Apology accepted, Mr. Annan")
50 posted on 05/18/2005 8:40:16 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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