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Ancient Beer, Wine Jars Found in Egypt
AP/SF Chronicle ^ | 5/18/05 | AP

Posted on 05/18/2005 7:01:35 PM PDT by TFFKAMM

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1 posted on 05/18/2005 7:01:36 PM PDT by TFFKAMM
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To: TFFKAMM
Archaeologists digging in a 5,000-year-old site in southern Egypt have unearthed 200 rough ceramic beer and wine jars

And most folks still think our earlier ancestors were "primitive!"

2 posted on 05/18/2005 7:05:03 PM PDT by Coyoteman
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

FYI


3 posted on 05/18/2005 7:05:35 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: TFFKAMM

Did they find any 5,000 year old drinking songs too? Now that would be cool(that's the drunken musician in me :) lol)


4 posted on 05/18/2005 7:09:09 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman
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To: tubebender

Beer & Wine Ping

I owe ya a few ;-)


5 posted on 05/18/2005 7:09:59 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: TFFKAMM

I've had ancient beer, it was sold in our rec center at the base..

FoulStuff.. uhh, Falstaff , it was ;-)


6 posted on 05/18/2005 7:11:19 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: quantim

ping


7 posted on 05/18/2005 7:12:27 PM PDT by NautiNurse ("I'd rather see someone go to work for a Republican campaign than sit on their butt."--Howard Dean)
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To: Coyoteman
A friend of mine has a theory about beer and wine being the true linchpins of civilization. He says that once humans learned how to ferment and drink alcoholic beverages, it influenced everything from agriculture, to law, to economics, to religion and morals.

If I can ever get him to deliver a concise, coherent version of this theory, I'll post it on a Booze ping...

8 posted on 05/18/2005 7:12:41 PM PDT by TFFKAMM
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To: TFFKAMM

Is it Budweiser ? and if so what is the born date on it?


9 posted on 05/18/2005 7:13:01 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: TFFKAMM
A friend of mine has a theory about beer and wine being the true linchpins of civilization. He says that once humans learned how to ferment and drink alcoholic beverages, it influenced everything from agriculture, to law, to economics, to religion and morals.

Not to mention that it allowed ugly women to reproduce. We frequently see the results today.

10 posted on 05/18/2005 7:15:02 PM PDT by Blue Screen of Death (/i)
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To: Calpernia
Oh I wish I were

A pretty little girl

And I had me lots of Money

I'd marry me

A bricklayin' man

And we'd have fun together!

Oh he would lay

And I would lay

And wouldn't we have one hell of of a time

A'layin on each other!

11 posted on 05/18/2005 7:15:50 PM PDT by patton ("Fool," said my Muse to me, "look in thy heart, and write.")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
"Did they find any 5,000 year old drinking songs too?"

Yup, it starts this way:

"99 bottles of beer on the wall, 99 bottles of beer..."

12 posted on 05/18/2005 7:16:17 PM PDT by blam
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To: patton

Well,

I have no idea how the combinatin of Egypt, beer, your song and my FR nick all came together...

But it got me to read your cabin story.

I enjoyed it.


13 posted on 05/18/2005 7:24:28 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: blam
Drink, drink, drank, drunk

drink, drink, drank, drunk

drunk last night

drunk the night before-oh

I'm gonna get drunk tonight

like I never been drunk before...

14 posted on 05/18/2005 7:25:09 PM PDT by patton ("Fool," said my Muse to me, "look in thy heart, and write.")
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To: TFFKAMM

Your friend's not the first:

Beer Brewing Paralleled the Rise of Civilization
Kurt Stoppkotte
for National Geographic News
April 24, 2001
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/04/0424_kurtbeer.html

and for health nuts:

"Antibiotic" Beer Gave Ancient Africans Health Buzz
John Roach
for National Geographic News
May 16, 2005
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/05/0516_050516_ancientbeer.html


15 posted on 05/18/2005 7:25:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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To: blam

Guess they weren't Muslims back then.

Things haven't improved.


16 posted on 05/18/2005 7:25:45 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Constitution Day; blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; StayAt HomeMother; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; ...
Thanks Constitution Day. There's a hieroglyphic inscription near this new find. Translated into English it reads, "I said Bud Light".
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on, off, or alter the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list --
Archaeology/Anthropology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc.
The GGG Digest
-- Gods, Graves, Glyphs (alpha order)

17 posted on 05/18/2005 7:26:29 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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To: Calpernia

the old fart is my father. LOL. he taught me all these drinking songs, and how to build a cabin, and...


18 posted on 05/18/2005 7:27:18 PM PDT by patton ("Fool," said my Muse to me, "look in thy heart, and write.")
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To: patton
>>>he taught me all these drinking songs, and how to build a cabin, and...

How to extinguish flaming mice :)
19 posted on 05/18/2005 7:28:39 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Well, that, too. LOL.


20 posted on 05/18/2005 7:30:51 PM PDT by patton ("Fool," said my Muse to me, "look in thy heart, and write.")
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To: TFFKAMM

It is a skill that has been discovered and "forgotten" a number of times in the history of man.

Have to wonder how many times it was "forgotten" because of forced prohibition.


21 posted on 05/18/2005 7:35:10 PM PDT by weegee (Funny how prisoners at Gitmo can have their religious books but our school kids can't.)
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To: TFFKAMM
once humans learned how to ferment and drink alcoholic beverages, it influenced everything from agriculture, to law, to economics, to religion and morals.

Is that why Muslims are so p!$$3d off all the time? Because they can't crack open some cold ones.

22 posted on 05/18/2005 7:37:09 PM PDT by Alouette (Muslims bite the hand that feeds them, and kiss the boot that kicks them.)
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To: Blue Screen of Death
LOL!

I believe it was Bobby Bare who said,

I've never been to bed with an ugly woman
But I've
woken up with quite a few!

23 posted on 05/18/2005 7:40:57 PM PDT by TFFKAMM
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To: NormsRevenge; SunkenCiv; NautiNurse; andrew2527; AnAmericanMother; A Jovial Cad; Betis70; ...
Click to be added or removed.

Wine news ping.

24 posted on 05/18/2005 7:45:43 PM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: Blue Screen of Death
drink alcoholic beverages, it influenced everything from agriculture, to law, to economics, to religion and morals.

Hummm. The German's drank beer, the French drank red wine. Certainly explains the early outcome of WWII.

This guy may be on to something. Never underestimate the power of Pabst's, Stroh's and Rolling Rock. What doesn't kill us makes us stronger. Certainly explains how the war ended the way it did.

25 posted on 05/18/2005 7:58:03 PM PDT by lizma
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To: lizma

Oh, that is silliness. Just because I drink bier and am allergic to wine....french wine.....nevermind.


26 posted on 05/18/2005 8:09:55 PM PDT by patton ("Fool," said my Muse to me, "look in thy heart, and write.")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
i got the pyramid blues???
27 posted on 05/18/2005 8:11:46 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: NormsRevenge

After having read about it, and seen it referred to in movies, as well as hearing about it at assorted ren-fests, I finally got around to trying mead.

Mead is wine made of fermented honey.

All I can say is, WOW! That's GOOD! I can't wait to try it hot, with a spice packet steeped in it!

Mark


28 posted on 05/18/2005 8:12:16 PM PDT by MarkL (I've got a fever, and the only prescription is MORE COWBELL!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
"FoulStuff.. uhh, Falstaff , it was "

Years ago, a friend of mine sent some of that to his state dept of health for analysis.

Two weeks later he got a reply: "Dear xxxx; We regret to inform you that your horse has diabetes.

29 posted on 05/18/2005 8:19:45 PM PDT by OldEagle (We might be in the end times, but it looks like we are finally moving in the RIGHT direction.)
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To: TFFKAMM
i don;t know about your friend, but here's my take as to why:

Beer was the foundation of civilization.

Man was a hunter of meat and gatherer of seeds.
One day he ate some seed that had gotten wet and had fermented.
He caught a BUZZzzz and liked the way it felt.
It took awhile for him to connect the dots in the wet grain/fermentation process to the buzzz... but he did.
He said to himself, hummm, instead of chasing the crops, if I stay in ONE PLACE and plant this stuff I can have all the wet grain I need to get buzzzed on???
Simple... instant farmer / civilization.

30 posted on 05/18/2005 8:19:46 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: TFFKAMM
Alcohol--throughout history, the cause of...and the solution to...all of life's problems.
31 posted on 05/18/2005 8:21:14 PM PDT by RichInOC (...Phi Kappa Sigma, Beta Rho '87...my liver is evil. I must kill it.)
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To: TFFKAMM

If there's anything in them, it couldn't possibly be any worse than any Budweiser or Coors made last week.


32 posted on 05/18/2005 8:23:00 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: glock rocks; NormsRevenge

Some grave digger has found your stash for Sundays race...


33 posted on 05/18/2005 8:24:15 PM PDT by tubebender (We child proofed our house but they still get in...)
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To: TFFKAMM

hold muh beer alert?


34 posted on 05/18/2005 8:25:32 PM PDT by I'm ALL Right! (www.teach-your-kids.com)
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To: TFFKAMM

From research I've seen, the beer jars carried Budweiser incriptions.


35 posted on 05/18/2005 8:28:37 PM PDT by Chu Gary (USN Intel guy 1967 - 1970)
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To: MarkL
[I finally got around to trying mead. ...All I can say is, WOW! That's GOOD! I can't wait to try it hot, with a spice packet steeped in it!]


Take this advice from a mead maker; the best tasting mead is made with additional ingredients, especially fruits and/or spices. If you can get a hold of a good grape, apple, or raspberry mead, or mead with cinnamon or ginger then you'll be in heaven.

Also, mead is reported to be an aphrodisiac and I believe from personal experience that theory has merit.
36 posted on 05/18/2005 8:41:55 PM PDT by spinestein (There is no beer in heaven. That is why we drink it here.)
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To: tubebender
LOL..


Pharaoh's Gold

Pharaoh's Gold is truly a unique beer. Formulated from beer sediments found in an ancient brewery beneath the Sun Temple of Queen Nefertiti.

That's the hype on this Egyptian beer site anyway.. Never tried it, don't endorse it, and probably can't afford it either,, ;-)

37 posted on 05/18/2005 8:44:22 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Will they sponsor our race car???


38 posted on 05/18/2005 8:48:11 PM PDT by tubebender (We child proofed our house but they still get in...)
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To: Blue Screen of Death
"Not to mention that it allowed ugly women to reproduce."


39 posted on 05/18/2005 8:49:48 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: spinestein

Well, the mead that I've tried is from California, the brand is Chaucers. I found a liquor store here in KC that has 4 or 5 different brands. 2 brands are from Poland!

All I know is that it's really different. But then I like drinking "different" things. My favorite libation is Samuel Smith's Taddy Porter, and I like having good chocolate chip cookies, along with Young's Double Chocolate Stout!

But this mead is really something else!

Mark


40 posted on 05/18/2005 8:54:44 PM PDT by MarkL (I've got a fever, and the only prescription is MORE COWBELL!!!)
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To: tubebender

IN today's globally intertwined marketplace,,

If this beer recipe is really that good..

They'd be rolling in the dough and loaded in no time,, and so would all their customers, I reckun. ;-)


41 posted on 05/18/2005 8:58:22 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: MarkL

I may have had a bit of mead at some time.

Lagers and pales are my preference.


42 posted on 05/18/2005 9:06:37 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: patton
Oh, that is silliness.

I don't know, but I think history teaches us that beer drinkers rule, red wine drinkers drool.

It's the John Waynes that make a dent, not the metro John Kerrys. I fear the day that changes.

43 posted on 05/18/2005 9:10:18 PM PDT by lizma
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
"Did they find any 5,000 year old drinking songs too?"

Row, row, row your boat
drunkenly down the Nile
MaryLee throw him overboard
feed the crocadile

44 posted on 05/18/2005 10:31:17 PM PDT by RebelTex (Freedom is everyone's right - and everyone's responsibility!)
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To: TFFKAMM
and in a bazillion years when they dig up my back yard...


45 posted on 05/18/2005 10:42:32 PM PDT by Chinito (6990th Security Group, RC-135/Combat Apple, Class of '68)
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Jeez, looks like the contents of my recycling bin on collection day!


46 posted on 05/18/2005 11:01:45 PM PDT by TFFKAMM
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To: lizma

lizma wrote:
drink alcoholic beverages, it influenced everything from agriculture, to law, to economics, to religion and morals.
Hummm. The German's drank beer, the French drank red wine. Certainly explains the early outcome of WWII.

This guy may be on to something. Never underestimate the power of Pabst's, Stroh's and Rolling Rock. What doesn't kill us makes us stronger. Certainly explains how the war ended the way it did.

--> Actually, the Germans also had 'Speed' and other drugs they used while drinking LOL.


47 posted on 05/19/2005 12:58:12 AM PDT by 1FASTGLOCK45 (FreeRepublic: More fun than watching Dem'Rats drown like Turkeys in the rain! ! !)
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To: TFFKAMM

Now to take them back and get the deposit . . .


48 posted on 05/19/2005 1:59:58 AM PDT by Neanderthal
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To: Coyoteman

I want to be buried with my Belgian beer collection.


49 posted on 05/19/2005 3:56:37 AM PDT by Renfield (Philosophy chair at the University of Wallamalloo!!)
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To: OldEagle

LOL


50 posted on 05/19/2005 5:12:18 AM PDT by mcar
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