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HEADS UP CALIFORNIANS! Illegal Alien Driver's License Bill Set for Hearing Tomorrow
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Posted on 05/18/2005 8:55:00 PM PDT by kellynla

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Here we go again!
1 posted on 05/18/2005 8:55:00 PM PDT by kellynla
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To: kellynla

Are they going to have to go through driver's ed and all that stuff or are they just going to be issued a driver's license?


2 posted on 05/18/2005 8:58:04 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Leftists would have no standards at all)
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To: gubamyster; CHARLITE; Travis McGee; janetgreen; starsandstrips; Rabid Dog; calcowgirl; ...

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3 posted on 05/18/2005 8:58:52 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Texas Eagle

"Are they going to have to go through driver's ed and all that stuff or are they just going to be issued a driver's license?"

doesn't matter


this whole driver's license for illegals is all a ruse just so the 'Rats can get illegals into the DMV. Next move is to get them registered to vote.

As we all know, anyone who has a legal driver's license from the home country can legally drive anywhere in America


4 posted on 05/18/2005 9:01:38 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla

Good ole "one-bill Gill" strikes (out) again.

I'm hearing rumors of a new effort at an initiative, this time properly funded and with paid signature gatherers. Gill is gonna give this effort a reall send off, if he isn't careful!


5 posted on 05/18/2005 9:01:47 PM PDT by absalom01
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To: kellynla

We should demand licenses for all. Anyone who has the money to pay the fee should get a license. No restrictions, no requirements. It's time to put a stop to this nonsense!
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6 posted on 05/18/2005 9:03:05 PM PDT by mugs99 (Restore the Constitution)
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To: kellynla
Bienvenidos a Aztlan.

Oprima el numero dos para ingles.


7 posted on 05/18/2005 9:03:12 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: kellynla

That's the point of "motor voter," right?


8 posted on 05/18/2005 9:04:30 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: absalom01

please email and/or call the members


I've come to the conclusion that the only way we can govern this state is by proposition and recall!


9 posted on 05/18/2005 9:04:59 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: absalom01

This is ridiculous! We , the legal citizens, have to get an initiative going to prevent illegals from driving with licenses?

where is our backlash? What will it take?


10 posted on 05/18/2005 9:05:14 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9-11!)
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To: absalom01

Arnold has already said that in light of the Real ID bill, it is premature to debate this bill. This is DOA if it hits his desk.


11 posted on 05/18/2005 9:06:01 PM PDT by umgud (FR, NASCAR, NRA, GOP)
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To: mugs99

this is not about driver's licenses! LMAO

this is about getting illegals registered to vote!
hello?

anyone with a driver's license from their home country can legally drive anywhere in America...
they don't need an American driver's license


12 posted on 05/18/2005 9:07:54 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Travis McGee

"That's the point of "motor voter," right?"

Exactly!!!


13 posted on 05/18/2005 9:08:29 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

"What will it take?"

RECALL & PROPOSITION!


14 posted on 05/18/2005 9:09:20 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla

How about on the National level??!!!!


15 posted on 05/18/2005 9:12:27 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9-11!)
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To: umgud
"Arnold has already said that in light of the Real ID bill, it is premature to debate this bill. This is DOA if it hits his desk."

We can't bank on Ahnold...
as we found out this week, he has already said that he thinks that all illegal aliens' children "have a right to an education" RIGHT? Heck, American citizens don't even have a "right to an education" LMAO
Hey, Ahnold where is that in the Constitution???
16 posted on 05/18/2005 9:12:47 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

well this is about CA and what is going on here tomorrow


17 posted on 05/18/2005 9:13:37 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla
And then don't allow anyone to ask for ID or any proof or verification, and then don't fund one penny of law enforcement to check vote fraud.

Sort of like firing the bank guard, and leaving the bank doors and vault open.

18 posted on 05/18/2005 9:14:19 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee

I'm going to sign off here shortly...
been a verrrry long day...
just wanted to give you guys a HEADS UP for tomorrow

Just about ready to blow taps down here!

Nytol!

Semper Fi,
Kelly


19 posted on 05/18/2005 9:16:12 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla

I think this has pretty much been done in by the US Real ID act.


20 posted on 05/18/2005 9:17:00 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (First you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women (HJ Simpson))
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To: kellynla
Senator Gil Cedillo's bill to give California driver's licenses to illegal aliens is set to be heard in the Senate Transportation & Housing Committee this Thursday.

I see that Gil "Seditious" Cedillo is still at it. He'll do anything to help his fellow Latinos, the illegal alien lawbreakers.

21 posted on 05/18/2005 9:18:37 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: kellynla

La Raza has to be chuckling in their meatball sopa. Let's hope sanity prevails tomorrow. If not, I may go off the grid permanently.


22 posted on 05/18/2005 9:19:54 PM PDT by steenkeenbadges
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To: kellynla
Heck, American citizens don't even have a "right to an education" LMAO Hey, Ahnold where is that in the Constitution???

It's in the California Constitution.

23 posted on 05/18/2005 9:20:12 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich

More "Equal Protection" mumbo-jumbo?


24 posted on 05/18/2005 9:31:44 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: RGSpincich

"It's in the California Constitution?"

legislating from you pc tonight? LOL

where does it say in the California constitution that everyone who lives here has a "right to an education?"


25 posted on 05/18/2005 9:32:14 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla
Ol' One Bill Gil is at it again!
26 posted on 05/18/2005 9:35:36 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: kellynla

ALL E-mails sent. Thanks for the heads-up! I sent Gil Cedillo (one bill Gil) a special one, asking him to please not bring this legislation up again.


27 posted on 05/18/2005 9:38:42 PM PDT by janetgreen (Minuteman Project = American Patriotism)
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To: kellynla
They give Illegals D/L's indistinguishable from legal residents the State will lose highway money and everyone's D/L will not be usable as Federal ID.
28 posted on 05/18/2005 9:44:52 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: kellynla
I just got this back:

Subject: NO on SB 60 Sent: Wed, 18 May 2005 21:22:41 -0700

did not reach the following recipient(s):

Senator Cedillo on Wed, 18 May 2005 21:22:57 -0700 The message could not be delivered because the recipient's mailbox is full.

I guess "ONE BILL GIL" is getting lots of mail tonight!

29 posted on 05/18/2005 9:45:07 PM PDT by janetgreen (Minuteman Project = American Patriotism)
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To: kellynla
Heck, American citizens don't even have a "right to an education"

I'm trying to educate you not Arnold. Article 9 of the California State Constitution, read it. Californians have had a right to an education since 1849.

30 posted on 05/18/2005 9:50:44 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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Even in 1849, that would include the children of illegals if the children were born in the US.


31 posted on 05/18/2005 9:58:26 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich

I don't know what you are trying to read ino this but when it says Californians having a right to an education it's talking about legal residents not fence crawlers.


32 posted on 05/18/2005 9:59:57 PM PDT by snowman1
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To: snowman1

That's exactly what I've pointed out to another poster who claimed that American citizens had no such right. What did you read into it?


33 posted on 05/18/2005 10:04:43 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: kellynla
Here we go again!

On, no this could only happen if we don't vote for Arnold.

34 posted on 05/18/2005 10:05:19 PM PDT by itsahoot (If Judge Greer can run America then I guess just about anyone with a spine could do the same.)
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To: steenkeenbadges
Let's hope sanity prevails tomorrow. If not, I may go off the grid permanently.

Surely you jest, this is California.<(•¿•)>

35 posted on 05/18/2005 10:11:31 PM PDT by itsahoot (If Judge Greer can run America then I guess just about anyone with a spine could do the same.)
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They give Illegals D/L's indistinguishable from legal residents

The bill has been amended to require that the licenses be clearly labeled to distinguish them from those issued to citizens. This is the deal the Guv offered Gil last year that he walked away from.

36 posted on 05/18/2005 10:33:27 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: umgud

No kidding! If this were to become law, we couldn't use our California driver's licenses to board planes or enter federal facilities. There would be a massive run by Californians to get US passports.


37 posted on 05/18/2005 11:35:16 PM PDT by TheDon (Euthanasia is an atrocity.)
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To: kellynla
this whole driver's license for illegals is all a ruse just so the 'Rats can get illegals into the DMV. Next move is to get them registered to vote.

I have personally witnessed people coaching non-English speakers as they took a driving test at the Poway DMV office. The staff ignores the blatant behavior as the coach points to the answers. This was observed after the "motor voter" BS was passed. The whole examination process is a ruse when it comes to hispanic applicants in that office.

38 posted on 05/18/2005 11:49:22 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: kellynla

It won't pass the Governators desk. He is 100% against illegals getting licenses.

Heck, i was the the DMV in Long Beach the other day getting a replacement license and i could have been anyone to get a new picture and ID issued.


39 posted on 05/19/2005 12:07:08 AM PDT by Andrew LB (Another solder in the fight against liberalism.)
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http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_0051-0100/sb_60_bill_20050512_amended_sen.html

BILL NUMBER: SB 60	AMENDED
	BILL TEXT

	AMENDED IN SENATE  MAY 12, 2005

INTRODUCED BY   Senator Cedillo

...

THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:


   SECTION 1.   

   This act shall be known, and may be cited, as the California Real
ID Act of 2005. 

   SEC. 2.   
   The Legislature intends by the enactment of this act to accomplish
the following:  
   (a) Meet or exceed the document and issuance standards set forth
in the federal Real ID Act of 2005 (Public Law ____), to ensure that
California has a federally recognized and acceptable driver's license
and identification card.  
   (b) Provide drivers' licenses that permit driving, but cannot be
used for federal identification purposes, consistent with the federal
Real ID Act of 2005, to California drivers that cannot meet the
minimum identity confirmation requirements necessarily to obtain a
federally-recognized driver's license or identification card. 

   SEC. 3.    Section 1653.6 is added to the  
Vehicle Code   , to read:  
   1653.6.
   In the issuance of drivers' licenses and identification cards
under this code, the department shall issue drivers' licenses and
identification cards that are in compliance with the Section 202 of
Title 11 of the federal Real ID Act of 2005 (Public Law ____). 

   SEC. 4.    Section 12801.1 is added to the  
Vehicle Code   , to read:  
   12801.1.
   (a) The department shall issue driver's licenses that permit
driving and are acceptable by a federal agency for any official
purpose, as certified by the Secretary of Homeland Security, to those
applicants who are in compliance with the requirements of Section
202 of Title II of the federal Real ID Act of 2005 (Public Law ____).

   (b) The department, in compliance with the federal Real ID Act of
2005, shall issue drivers' licenses that permit driving, and are not
acceptable by a federal agency for federal identification or for any
other official purpose pursuant to paragraph (11) of subsection (d)
of Section 202 of Title II of the federal act, to those applicants
who do not meet the requirements of subparagraph (B) of paragraph (2)
of subsection (c) of Section 202 of the federal act. 

   SEC. 5.    Section 12801.5 of the   Vehicle
Code   is amended to read: 
   12801.5.
   (a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law,  the
department shall require an applicant for an original driver's
license or identification card to submit satisfactory proof that the
applicant's presence in the United States is authorized under federal
law.  

   (b) The department shall not issue an original driver's license or
identification card to a person who does not submit satisfactory
proof that the applicant's presence in the United States is
authorized under federal law.  
   (c) The department shall adopt regulations to carry out the
purposes of this section, including procedures for, but not limited
to, (1) verifying that the applicant's presence in the United States
is authorized under federal law, (2) issuance of a temporary license
pending verification of the applicant's status, and (3) appeal
hearings from a denial of a license, temporary license, or
identification card.  
   (d) On January 10 of each year, the department shall submit a
supplemental budget report to the Governor and the Legislature
detailing the costs of verifying the citizenship or legal residency
of applicants for driver's licenses and identification cards, in
order for the state to request reimbursement from the federal
government. 
    (e)     Notwithstanding
Section 40300 or any other provision of law,  a peace
officer may not detain or arrest a person solely on the belief that
the person is an unlicensed driver, unless the officer has reasonable
cause to believe the person driving is under the age of 16 years.


   (f) 
    (b)    The inability to obtain a driver's
license pursuant to this section does not abrogate or diminish in any
respect the legal requirement of every driver in this state to obey
the motor vehicle laws of this state, including laws with respect to
licensing, motor vehicle registration, and financial responsibility.

   SEC. 6.    Section 14610.7 of the   Vehicle Code   is repealed.  

   14610.7.
   It is a misdemeanor for any person to knowingly assist in
obtaining a driver's license or identification card for any person
whose presence in the United States is not authorized under federal
law. 

   SEC. 7.   
   The provisions of this act are severable. If any provision of this
act or its application is held invalid, that invalidity shall not
affect other provisions or applications that can be given effect
without the invalid provision or application. 

   SEC. 8.   
   This act shall become operative only if the federal Real ID Act of
2005 is enacted into law. 

   SEC. 9.   
   This act is an urgency statute necessary for the immediate
preservation of the public peace, health, or safety within the
meaning of Article IV of the Constitution and shall go into immediate
effect. The facts constituting the necessity are:  
   In order to comply with the federal Real ID Act of 2005, if
enacted, and to reduce the number of unlicensed drivers on our
highways, who account for 20 percent of all accidents and, thereby,
compromise public safety, it is necessary that this act take effect
immediately. 


One-Bill-Gil wants CA to issue ("shall issue") CA drivers licences to the illegal aliens again but provides that the licenses "cannot be used for federal identification purposes."

So, how is anyone going to be able to tell the difference between CA licenses that can and cannot be used for federal ID purposes? SB 60 does not provide for any visual clues distinguishing the illegal alien licenses from the regular licenses.

People legally here must follow the provisions of the federal Real ID Act, but people illegally here are exempt. Why aliens are called "California drivers" is curious, since foreigners (legal and illegal) ought to be called foreign drivers. (Then, of course, why would they need CA licenses when they could use their own countries' licenses to drive here?)

40 posted on 05/19/2005 3:39:47 AM PDT by heleny
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To: RGSpincich
Maybe you should read it.
No where does it say that everyone who lives in CA has a "right" to an education.
It does say,
"the Legislature shall encourage by all suitable means the promotion of intellectual, scientific, moral, and agricultural improvement."
Otherwise every uneducated person in CA could sue the state for being uneducated and/or lacking in scientific, moral or agricultural improvement! LOL
41 posted on 05/19/2005 5:54:34 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla

You remind me of Bill Clinton. By your logic, if one is too feeble to speak out then one does not have the right to free speech.


42 posted on 05/19/2005 6:46:53 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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Not logic, it just doesn't specify that anyone has the "right to an education"
now if you can quote in the CA constitution where it does I will be glad to read it.

No need to get nasty. LOL


43 posted on 05/19/2005 7:00:57 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: RGSpincich

Any "right" that someone else has to pay for is not actually a "right." See the United Nations' Universal Declaration of Human Rights for a long list of examples.


44 posted on 05/19/2005 7:12:26 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: kellynla
this is not about driver's licenses! LMAO

You're right, so we should stop playing like it is. Let everyone buy a license. Let everyone vote. We don't need no stinking Democrats or Republicans, we can have real Mexican candidates!
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45 posted on 05/19/2005 8:24:19 AM PDT by mugs99
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46 posted on 05/19/2005 10:22:42 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: RGSpincich
"Even in 1849, that would include the children of illegals if the children were born in the US."

I don't think early Californians would have agreed with this.

47 posted on 05/19/2005 10:56:50 AM PDT by monkeywrench (http://ciudadano.presidencia.gob.mx/peticion/peticion.htm -Tell Vicente)
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To: kellynla
I just heard on the newsbreak for Rush that the illegalalien activist groups (in this case, Renee Salcido of La Raza) are actually urging them to boycott DMV offices in protest.
Yippee! I hope everyone else goes in for renewals now while the joints are half empty...that would really prove the point.
48 posted on 05/19/2005 11:08:01 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: truthkeeper

I think most everyone who can renews their driver's licenses online...
going to the DMV these days is like going to the UN.
half of the employees don't speak English and the other half don't know what they're doing...kind of like the banks, post offices, gas stations and grocery stores. LOL


49 posted on 05/19/2005 11:13:06 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla
Same thing at the County Recorder's office in Norwalk. I was there yesterday to record a deed. Been there lately? The entire joint is being run by bald-headed tattooed gangstas. I'm not kidding either.

It was like being in a foreign country.

50 posted on 05/19/2005 11:16:16 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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