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Aircraft carrier will guard Bush at G8
The Scotsman (UK) ^ | 19 May 2005 | Michael Howie

Posted on 05/19/2005 4:43:34 AM PDT by cooper72

AN aircraft carrier packed with hundreds of US marines will be anchored off the west coast of Scotland during the G8 summit, according to security sources.

The assault ship, also laden with helicopters, is expected to be dispatched as the United States armed forces prepare their own massive security operation to protect the president, George Bush, during the Gleneagles summit in July.

A fleet of Galaxy C-5 planes, carrying armoured limousines and the helicopters that will take Bush and his entourage to the venue, is expected to touch down at Prestwick airport.

The US is also believed to be insisting on having its own command post so it can act independently of the British police and military if there is a threat to the president.

A military source said: "The Americans want to do everything themselves. They want to have their own helicopters; their own armoured limousines. This happens at every summit like this, and it always causes tension between America and their hosts.

"The aircraft carrier is about giving America the capability to do lots of things with people, helicopters and the like. They also want their own command post if Bush decides they have to carry out their own operation."

Meanwhile, security chiefs are planning a ban on all plane, train and vehicle movements around the airport when the world’s most powerful leaders fly in for the meeting.

Advisers want to impose "30-minute total travel exclusion periods" around each flight arriving at Prestwick with a world leader on board, to thwart protesters and terrorists.

The effect could be motorway gridlock, as well as an air-traffic nightmare for holidaymakers. This would mean all roads around the Ayrshire airport being closed, all trains being halted and all commercial flights being grounded for the arrival and departure of Bush, Vladimir Putin, Jacques Chirac and other world leaders for the summit from July 6-8.

Traffic experts say the "lockdowns" could lead to 30-mile tailbacks on the M77, as the effects of the security clampdown are felt as far north as Glasgow and south into Dumfriesshire.

Top-ranking officials met at Prestwick last week to finalise details of the operation.

A security source said: "This is by far the biggest security operation ever mounted on Scottish soil. It may well cause widespread disruption, but that cannot be avoided. It’s a small price to pay."

However, the plans have caused alarm among local police chiefs. Military commanders are also concerned that the "no-fly" periods may halt helicopter flights from HMS Gannet, the Royal Navy rescue base.

Prestwick has been chosen as the main arrival airport for the world leaders because it is more difficult for protesters to get to than Edinburgh or Glasgow.

A spokesman for Strathclyde Police said: "There may be traffic delays and disruptions because the leaders of the G8 can change their plans, and this will, in turn, force us to change our plans - but we will be keeping local communities updated."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bush43; cary; g8; g8summit; president; scotland; term2; turass; uk; usn
They don't need the Marines. If there is any trouble the SAS and SBS will sort them out. :)
1 posted on 05/19/2005 4:43:35 AM PDT by cooper72
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To: cooper72
A military source said: "The Americans want to do everything themselves. They want to have their own helicopters; their own armoured limousines. This happens at every summit like this, and it always causes tension between America and their hosts.

Its obvious, we're invading Scotland, with the President leading the charge...America always uses the pretext of a Presidential visit to invade....Oh wait, that is in the Bizarro universe.

2 posted on 05/19/2005 4:50:05 AM PDT by evolved_rage
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To: evolved_rage

Why dont we just stay home? If this place is all that dangerous, lets not go.


3 posted on 05/19/2005 4:52:54 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: cooper72
Aircraft carrier will guard Bush at G8

The assault ship, also laden with helicopters

OK, which is it, a Carrier (CVN) or an Assault ship (LHD)?
4 posted on 05/19/2005 4:54:30 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: cooper72

W can show Chiraq a working carrier.


5 posted on 05/19/2005 4:55:42 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: sgtbono2002

I don't think that all of us get to go, just the President and his staff.


6 posted on 05/19/2005 4:57:13 AM PDT by Bostton1 (Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns have!)
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To: R. Scott

They mix things up these days. USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN-69) deployed to Haiti during Clinton's Haiti fiasco laden totally with helos. No jets.

Your question is a good one, though. I suspect it'll be an LHD or LHA, not a CV or CVN.


7 posted on 05/19/2005 4:58:03 AM PDT by carrier-aviator
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To: cooper72

I love it when the "powerful" of the world have to fear the unwashed masses. The more power one attains, that much more fear is realized.


8 posted on 05/19/2005 4:58:03 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: sgtbono2002
Why dont we just stay home? If this place is all that dangerous, lets not go.

Don't be silly. And what do you mean "this place"?

Anyway, America does this everywhere. President Reagan probably has a team of Delta Force guys around him in heaven right now, "just in case"!

9 posted on 05/19/2005 4:59:17 AM PDT by cooper72
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To: carrier-aviator

You are right of course. I just cringe when I read an article written in total ignorance. I keep hoping against hope that an editor will read the comment and decide that maybe – just maybe – their military reporters should know at least a little about the military.


10 posted on 05/19/2005 5:01:01 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: cynicom
I love it when the "powerful" of the world have to fear the unwashed masses

Unwashed masses? There is nothing like American diplomacy! :)

11 posted on 05/19/2005 5:01:19 AM PDT by cooper72
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To: R. Scott

Oh, it's the new ship - the CVNLHD.

Trust me - it's one ship you don't want to mess with.


12 posted on 05/19/2005 5:05:00 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob (The Crew Chief's Toolbox: A roll around cabinet full of specialists.)
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To: R. Scott

Oh yeah. Many times I've heard carriers, cruisers, and destroyers referred to as "battleships." I've heard any carrier based aircraft with a jet engine referred to as a "fighter." One can routinely see stories in which masses of troops are referred to as "officers."

The press doesn't get it because they never served, nor do they know anyone who did. For them, the military is an inert entity, able to be moved around the chessboard by them when they achieve the rank to which they all aspire: policy wonk.

I went to grad schoool with many of these types. They know enough about the mil to be dangerous, but not enough to understand its real missions, capabilities, and limitations.


13 posted on 05/19/2005 5:11:06 AM PDT by carrier-aviator
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To: R. Scott

I doubt it was written by a military reporter. Its not a military story. Its a local story, with an American ship off the coast. The type is not really of relevance to the story.


14 posted on 05/19/2005 5:15:03 AM PDT by Axlrose
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To: Axlrose

Knit pickers abound as usual. Call it a scow with three drunk marines going to protect Scotland. Who really cares????


15 posted on 05/19/2005 5:18:26 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: cooper72
"Traffic experts say the "lockdowns" could lead to 30-mile tailbacks on the M77, as the effects of the security clampdown are felt as far north as Glasgow and south into Dumfriesshire."

Holy $h!t !!
That's a helluva' football team !

Pat Tillman has been able to get God to run defense for us.

Waaayyyy cool !!

16 posted on 05/19/2005 5:18:48 AM PDT by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: R. Scott
(PREFACE: I'm Army, therefore not as well versed on Naval Ship nomenclature as I should be.)

Now on to my comment: the skipper of the USS Saipan (LHA 2) gave a group of us poor grunts his command brief a few years ago. He insisted that his ship, while it didn't have airplanes, was indeed an aircraft carrier.

It was an impressive ship. I enjoyed the brief and the tour that followed very much.

Anyway, I had the same question when I read the article. I am assuming it is an LHA/LHD.


17 posted on 05/19/2005 5:25:57 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Nice" people aren't nailed onto crosses.)
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To: cooper72
I cringe thinking of the "attempt" by the Chileans to disrupt our President's visit to Chile a short time ago.
IMO, this could have been a assassination attempt, just as the Georgian grenade evidently was an attempt. I trust American Secret Service and Military to protect our President, not that SAS, Scotland Yard, etc., could not do so if necessary. But it is our vested interest that GWB be as safe as possible.
I wish these G-8 type of meetings would be held in some type of secure location...with vetted media and support and would not disrupt any area where people are trying to go about their dally lives.
18 posted on 05/19/2005 5:27:57 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero.)
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To: evolved_rage
Its obvious, we're invading Scotland, with the President leading the charge...America always uses the pretext of a Presidential visit to invade....Oh wait, that is in the Bizarro universe.

LOLOLOL Thanks for my first hardy laugh of the morning.

19 posted on 05/19/2005 5:40:33 AM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: cooper72

Other than being a big expensive photo op using my tax money and using my tax money to provide an aircraft carrier no less, does anything good come out of these meetings, anything that can’t be accomplished if everybody stayed home? I have the right to see the bill for this.


20 posted on 05/19/2005 6:32:49 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: cynicom

"...fear the unwashed masses..."

Hey now. I bathe at least once a day.


21 posted on 05/19/2005 6:37:06 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

I would rather see the bill that I help pay for the Welfare in this country.


22 posted on 05/19/2005 6:44:35 AM PDT by angcat
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To: angcat

"I would rather see the bill that I help pay for the Welfare in this country."

That's true. I can't argue with that. We'll just ask for both bills.


23 posted on 05/19/2005 6:48:20 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Tennessee_Bob

I hear it over 200,000 feet long and carries an entire division of marines, all their air and arty support and a really good BX.


24 posted on 05/19/2005 6:49:16 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: carrier-aviator

When I was growing up, reporters were generally not journalism graduates. The ex military were used as military reporters, ex cops were used as crime reporters etc. I’d like to see it go back to that system.


25 posted on 05/19/2005 6:51:47 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

I don't mind the President going to this summit. It would not look good if our President stayed home due to fear. It's better to show the rest of the world our great leader and let them salivate when they see our powerful military protecting him.


26 posted on 05/19/2005 6:52:18 AM PDT by angcat
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

Once a day??? We will need certified statements by either your Mother or your wife which ever is pertinent. Please submit in triplicate.


27 posted on 05/19/2005 6:52:58 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: Axlrose

It was written in a Scotland paper – but shouldn’t an editor catch it?


28 posted on 05/19/2005 6:53:00 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: R. Scott
OK, which is it, a Carrier (CVN) or an Assault ship (LHD)?

That's what I wondered. Marines onboard? Perhaps LHA?
29 posted on 05/19/2005 6:53:50 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: angcat

"It's better to show the rest of the world our great leader and let them salivate when they see our powerful military protecting him."

You've convinced me. I hope they take a lot of underwear with them.


30 posted on 05/19/2005 6:56:22 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: R. Scott

If these poor blokes are frightened by the sight of an assault ship, can you imagine their shock were an aircraft carrier and its full battle group actually to appear?


31 posted on 05/19/2005 6:56:41 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: iopscusa
Its being held at Gleneagles. A hotel in the middle of its own fenced off estate with one entrance off the highway, which is about two miles away. Its also about 20-30 miles from the nearest town.

The grounds will be absolutely full of UK military, police and special forces

How much more secure do you want it to be???
32 posted on 05/19/2005 6:56:54 AM PDT by weegie
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To: angcat

Well they wont see much since the carrier (or whatever) will be off an uninhabited beach around 50 miles away


33 posted on 05/19/2005 6:58:38 AM PDT by weegie
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

LOL, we should fire a few shots also.


34 posted on 05/19/2005 6:58:50 AM PDT by angcat
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To: Gamecock

I’m retired Army – but I had the privilege of being Waterborne and often workrd with (helped out) our Navy. The Saipan skipper was correct in a way – his ship does carry aircraft, both fixed wing and rotary. They are impressive, carrying troops, landing craft and air elements.
By common convention an aircraft carrier is a CV or CVN.


35 posted on 05/19/2005 6:59:17 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: weegie

Bummer! It should be right behind him at all times!


36 posted on 05/19/2005 7:00:15 AM PDT by angcat
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To: Gamecock
Now on to my comment: the skipper of the USS Saipan (LHA 2) gave a group of us poor grunts his command brief a few years ago. He insisted that his ship, while it didn't have airplanes, was indeed an aircraft carrier.


SAIPAN'S Sister ship, USS PELELIU
My home for four years.
(This is an old pic. The 5" cannons on the bow were removed after I left in '97)
37 posted on 05/19/2005 7:00:43 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: cooper72
President Reagan probably has a group of Delta Force guys around him in heaven right now, "just in case".

It's an established fact that the streets of Heaven are guarded by United States Marines.

38 posted on 05/19/2005 7:01:20 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

An entire old fashioned Carrier Battle Group? Now that is impressive and attention getting!


39 posted on 05/19/2005 7:05:13 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: cynicom

Oh dang!!! Now I have to fess up. I bathe at the beginning of each season whether I need it or not. I bath at the end of December as dry season is starting, and again at the beginning of April when raining starts again. Sometimes I feel that I don’t need to bathe just because of the changing seasons, but I do it out of habit anyway. My mother would be proud of me.


40 posted on 05/19/2005 7:07:03 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: angcat

Well they could - -but they would need a hell of a size of a trailer for it ; )


41 posted on 05/19/2005 7:09:44 AM PDT by weegie
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To: R. Scott

Thank you for your service, by the way.


42 posted on 05/19/2005 7:19:39 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

Thanks - I can honestly state that I enjoyed about 99% of my time in.


43 posted on 05/19/2005 7:24:56 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: cynicom
Knit pickers abound as usual.

Er...that's "nit pickers" (just to keep things straight)

44 posted on 05/19/2005 7:59:04 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools - Solon, Lawmaker of Athens)
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To: Oztrich Boy
I wondered if any K-nit pickers would take time to pick.

hehehehehe

45 posted on 05/19/2005 10:28:00 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: cooper72
They don't need the Marines. If there is any trouble the SAS and SBS will sort them out. :)

Sorry but our policy ALWAYS has our guys protecting our president.

Semper Fi Marines.

46 posted on 05/26/2005 7:23:50 PM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the U.N. out of the U.S. and U.S. out of the U.N.!)
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To: Paul_Denton

Firstly why settle for second-best? ;)

Secondly, the marines would not be allowed on British soil anyway.


47 posted on 05/27/2005 3:53:47 AM PDT by cooper72
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To: cooper72

>>Secondly, the marines would not be allowed on British soil anyway.<<

Why?


48 posted on 05/31/2005 10:58:02 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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>Secondly, the marines would not be allowed on British soil anyway.<< Why?

You cannot allow foreign troops (except for the Secret Service) to be active. They would have no jurisdiction to fight.

Would you like hundreds of British Commandos to be active with jurisdiction in Washington? I don't thinks so! :)

49 posted on 05/31/2005 11:11:46 AM PDT by cooper72
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To: cooper72
Oh. . .I thought you were saying they couldn't even leave the ship for shore leave. You were not very clear on that point.

Oh, regarding your statement that the UK will not allow US military to be "active" (by which I think you mean, "fight"), better tell that to the tens of thousands of US military stationed in the UK.

American's have always had the right of self-defense, and it mattered not where they were standing at the time.

If the local Women's Institute attacked RAF Lakenheath then the SP's would respond. If the IRS (for whatever gawd-for-saken reason) attacked the US Embassy, the Marine guards kill the bad guys.

If the US president came under attack in the UK, possible with your very hostile radical Muslim population, then the SS would respond and if reasonable, the US president would be evacuated to the nearest US secure location.

I know of a few places in DC where I recommend the British Commandos stay away from.
50 posted on 05/31/2005 11:22:01 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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