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From Luke to Anakin: Growing Up on 'Star Wars'
BOX OFFICE MOJO ^ | May 18, 2005 | Scott Holleran

Posted on 05/19/2005 5:56:43 AM PDT by js1138

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That raises the cultural context, which was the war in Vietnam, initiated by communists and bungled by politicians, and the Watergate scandal, which magnified the minutiae just when America needed to get serious about its philosophy.

But America was in the grip of the hippies, who held American values in contempt, and they were having an impact in Hollywood. Fiery Katharine Hepburn and sunny Doris Day had all but departed from pictures, versatile Sidney Poitier had been vilified in his prime for being an Uncle Tom, and classy Cary Grant and upright Gary Cooper had given way to sniveling, squinting anti-heroes. The hum of a light saber firing up was a pleasant change from the sound of shrill hippies and their cinematic counterparts screaming in our faces.

Star Wars delivered a tonic for the time: sweeping music, opening scroll and a heap of hokey dialog set to purposeful action with enough optimism to cleanse the stink of Woodstock for a long time.

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28 years after standing in line, it's not that Star Wars is not fun. It was something good to cheer for in an era of defeatism. And, like sneaking out to see Jaws, it is best remembered for what it might have been than for what it was.


1 posted on 05/19/2005 5:56:44 AM PDT by js1138
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To: js1138

What is he talking about? "Star Wars" came out in 1977, not 1969!


2 posted on 05/19/2005 6:03:01 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm a shallow, demagoguic sectarian because it's easier than working for a living.)
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To: js1138

bump.


3 posted on 05/19/2005 6:03:07 AM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: js1138

Anyone who stands in line to see any Star War movie is a retard. Unless he or she is a 14 yrs. old or under.


4 posted on 05/19/2005 6:05:55 AM PDT by veronica (CP = Jeffords Republicrats...)
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To: Tax-chick

He neve mentions 1969, but if you were an adult in 1977 you would know that the Vietnam War had just recently ended, and defeatism was the order of the day.


5 posted on 05/19/2005 6:07:31 AM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: js1138

I mentioned 1969, because it seemed to fit the "screaming hippie" description much more than 1977 does. I wasn't an adult in 1977, but I wasn't a toddler, either ... I remember the Bicentennial much more than the end of the Vietnam War (most of our people were out earlier in the 70's, anyway), and I don't particularly recall "defeatism."


6 posted on 05/19/2005 6:10:57 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm a shallow, demagoguic sectarian because it's easier than working for a living.)
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To: Tax-chick
1975

You obviously weren't there.

7 posted on 05/19/2005 6:16:34 AM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: js1138

Of course not.


8 posted on 05/19/2005 6:19:42 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm a shallow, demagoguic sectarian because it's easier than working for a living.)
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To: Tax-chick

That year WAS the start of the Carter presidency, which was rooted in defeatist attitudes about our place in the world and led to record-breaking inflation and prime interest rates, the giveaway of the Panama Canal, Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Iran taking our people hostage, establishment of the Dept Of Education, the malaise speech, the constant blathering about human rights although Carter fawned over brutal dictators.....(add your own)


9 posted on 05/19/2005 6:53:58 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Support your local Minutemen)
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To: NRA1995

Good points.


10 posted on 05/19/2005 6:54:49 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm a shallow, demagoguic sectarian because it's easier than working for a living.)
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To: veronica
Anyone who stands in line to see any Star War movie is a retard. Unless he or she is a 14 yrs. old or under.

Retard is a bit much I think. DWEEB, now that fits.........

USA Star Wars Line

Cliff Cristofaro, 31 (l), and Morgan Phillips, 36, wait for the screening of Star Wars Episode Three, Revenge of the Sith, at the Ziegfeld Theater on West 54th Street in New York on Monday, May 17, 2005. Cliff, aka "Dark Fader", and his friend Morgan, aka "Sick Lord", form the group "Band of the Lost" and have been camping outside the cinema for over a week.

11 posted on 05/19/2005 7:00:45 AM PDT by OXENinFLA ("And that [Atomic] bomb is a filibuster" ~~~ Sen. Lieberman 1-4-95)
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To: Tax-chick
I remember the Bicentennial much more than the end of the Vietnam War (most of our people were out earlier in the 70's, anyway), and I don't particularly recall "defeatism."

If you don't remember defeatism in the late 70s and even well into the 80s then you were indeed not an adult. It was rampant and awful. Left wingers were screaming I told you so and crowing about how our military was useless and that we would never win another war and that we deserved to "lose" the war, even though we didn't lose the war we just decided to quit fighting it. It was a crappy time in our history and, yes, I can see that some people might have used Star Wars or other types of escapism to quit thinking about it for a while. I didn't, I wanted to think about it and work to defeat liberalism where I could and I am still doing it.

12 posted on 05/19/2005 7:01:30 AM PDT by calex59
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To: Tax-chick

Add to that the confidence crisis we had over Watergate....


13 posted on 05/19/2005 7:02:08 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Support your local Minutemen)
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To: calex59

Face it, the best part of Star Wars was the opening music. The movie was good but the John Williams intro was perfect.


14 posted on 05/19/2005 7:03:41 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: calex59

Okay ... I yield to the greater experience of you older folks :-).


15 posted on 05/19/2005 7:15:52 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm a shallow, demagoguic sectarian because it's easier than working for a living.)
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To: NRA1995

I was only 13 in 1980 and I loathed Carter. His limp-wristed way of dealing with those towel heads in Iran turned me into a big Reagan fan. I didn't understand too many issues back then, but I understood Reagan was strong and Carter was weak. A combination of Carter's ineptitude and Reagan's greatness made me into a solid Reagan Republican.


16 posted on 05/19/2005 7:23:11 AM PDT by Brett66 (W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1)
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To: AppyPappy

Imperial March is my favorite music followed by Throne Room (seen at the end of A New Hope) and Duel of Fates. Great music in an otherwise dull movie (Episode 1).


17 posted on 05/19/2005 7:28:16 AM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the U.N. out of the U.S. and U.S. out of the U.N.!)
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To: Brett66

I was 28, fresh out of the Navy and trying to raise 3 small children during Carter's record 24% prime interest rate years, which translated to about a 26% interest rate on a bank loan for you and me, if memory serves....people forget things like that....not me.....


18 posted on 05/19/2005 7:29:58 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Support your local Minutemen)
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To: NRA1995; Tax-chick
That year WAS the start of the Carter presidency..the constant blathering about human rights although Carter fawned over brutal dictators.

..and pardoned VN "Draft Dodgers"...A very good summary..

19 posted on 05/19/2005 8:05:24 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: skinkinthegrass

I've agreed that things were worse in 1977 than I remember :-). Sheltered upbringing, I guess.


20 posted on 05/19/2005 8:58:36 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm a shallow, demagoguic sectarian because it's easier than working for a living.)
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To: Tax-chick

I remember the Bicentennial, too. My Navy ship, the USS Farragut, was a part of the festivities in NYC. The Tall Ships and the fireworks at the Statue Of Liberty are still great memories (the girls flashing us from the speedboats during the Tall Ships event wasn't bad either).


21 posted on 05/19/2005 9:24:26 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Support your local Minutemen)
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To: NRA1995

My father was a squadron commander at NAS Corpus Christi. We had a BIG air show! I remember seeing the tall ships parade on TV.


22 posted on 05/19/2005 9:32:22 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm a shallow, demagoguic sectarian because it's easier than working for a living.)
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To: calex59

Having grown to adulthood during the 70's(turned 21 in 1972) I can tell you it was the most dismal decade of my existence. No jobs, Gas lines, high interest rates, Watergate, mostly crappy music, very crappy cars, the start of the AA industry and of course Mr. Jimmy occupying the WH following an almost as bad Gerald Ford. Yes a defeatist attitude did exist in the popular culture. I don't know how many TV shows and Movies had themes that included evil, white business tycoons being outsmarted by the HS dropout, inner city welfare mother, or drugged up Viet Vet goes on killing spree. It was remarkable to sit in the theater watching, "The Wind and The Lion"(a truly great movie in my mind) and seeing people give the US Marines portrayed in the movie a standing ovation when they took over the Sultans palace. People were aching for something good during the 70's and there was very little to go around.


23 posted on 05/19/2005 9:40:04 AM PDT by redangus
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To: AppyPappy

It certainly set the stage for future blockbusters. John Williams was in demand for decades.


24 posted on 05/19/2005 9:49:25 AM PDT by weegee (Funny how prisoners at Gitmo can have their religious books but our school kids can't.)
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To: qam1

Gen-Reagan PING


25 posted on 05/19/2005 9:52:55 AM PDT by weegee (Funny how prisoners at Gitmo can have their religious books but our school kids can't.)
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To: Brett66
I was only 13 in 1980 and I loathed Carter. His limp-wristed way of dealing with those towel heads in Iran turned me into a big Reagan fan

Same here, but I had just turned 19 and was fed up to here with liberals and hippies. When I heard Reagan speak, I was hooked. He was the perfect antidote for the malaise of the Carter years. I sure do miss him.
26 posted on 05/19/2005 9:58:41 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (The theory of evolution is the great cosmogenic myth of the twentieth century - Michael Denton)
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To: OXENinFLA

look at that ghettoblaster! dang, that thing is awesome!


27 posted on 05/19/2005 9:59:07 AM PDT by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: Tax-chick

Do you remember Jimmy Carter, "stagflation", "malaise", inflation as the "moral equivalent of war", etc.?


28 posted on 05/19/2005 10:00:59 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: weegee; ItsOurTimeNow; PresbyRev; tortoise; Fraulein; StoneColdGOP; Clemenza; malakhi; m18436572; ..
Xer Ping

Ping list for the discussion of the politics and social (and sometimes nostalgic) aspects that directly effect Gen-Reagan/Generation-X (Those born from 1965-1981) including all the spending previous generations (i.e. The Baby Boomers) are doing that Gen-X and Y will end up paying for.

Freep mail me to be added or dropped. See my home page for details and previous articles.

29 posted on 05/19/2005 10:04:59 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: redangus

Color me ignornant. AA industry?


30 posted on 05/19/2005 10:46:39 AM PDT by tnlibertarian ("In my opinion, they have no rights, except a safe return to their homeland. - "Robert Vazquez")
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To: qam1
Thanks for the ping!

I was merely a child growing up in teh 70s, but old enough to remember the malaise, the anti-hero, the 'no such thing as a good guy' attitudes, the reeking hippies, the HORRIBLE HORRIBLE colors/fashions/campground-commune-folkart decor that was so prevalent then. I couldn't WAIT for the 70s to end. I remember the summer of the gas shortage : Dad bought a deisel stationwagon just so we could make our summer vacation bearable.

The best thing I remember from teh 70s, until Star Wars, was the Bicentennial. It was glorious. I seldom heard much against America then, but that was when I learned about George Washington and fell in love with the guy. What a hero!

Cheers to all my Generation Reagan FReeper friends!

31 posted on 05/19/2005 11:35:11 AM PDT by Alkhin ("Oh! Oh!" cried my idiot crew. "It's a ghoul - we are lost!" ~ Jack Aubrey)
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To: js1138

This report was true for the first three.. but the last two movies especially are nothing but retreds of lib think.

I believe Lucas would be more successful if he stuck to the original formula. There are definite bad guys in the world, and Republicans they aint.


32 posted on 05/19/2005 11:43:04 AM PDT by BoBToMatoE
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To: ArrogantBustard

I remember Jimmy Carter, the Iran crisis, and of course the gas lines from the early 70's. But by 1977, we were doing very well. Maybe it was because of being in the military.


33 posted on 05/19/2005 11:50:01 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm a shallow, demagoguic sectarian because it's easier than working for a living.)
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To: BoBToMatoE

I think the story is potentially a great one, similar to LOTR. Power corrupts everyone, even Frodo and even cute eight-year-old kids.

I'm withholding judgement until I see this ine as to whether this theme is developed effectively.

I do wish the acting was better.


34 posted on 05/19/2005 11:56:20 AM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: veronica

Imperial ZOT!!!

35 posted on 05/19/2005 12:07:31 PM PDT by KoRn (~Halliburton Told Me......)
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To: KoRn

Good ZOT!


36 posted on 05/19/2005 12:10:08 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm a shallow, demagoguic sectarian because it's easier than working for a living.)
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To: Tax-chick
He effectively called me a retard....he had it coming!

:^)
37 posted on 05/19/2005 12:11:00 PM PDT by KoRn (~Halliburton Told Me......)
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To: KoRn

That's true.

I'll take some kids to see it when it hits the Dollar Theatre ... but my husband and his co-nerds have come up with a "business" excuse to go to the movies tomorrow!


38 posted on 05/19/2005 12:12:43 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm a shallow, demagoguic sectarian because it's easier than working for a living.)
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To: Tax-chick
I've loved the movies since way before I was 14 so maybe I'm 'grandfathered' in under the "anyone who stands in line is a retard" rule as so eloquently stated by veronica.
39 posted on 05/19/2005 12:14:37 PM PDT by KoRn (~Halliburton Told Me......)
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To: KoRn

We drove 2 hours to see the original "Star Wars" on my 11th birthday!


40 posted on 05/19/2005 12:16:24 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm a shallow, demagoguic sectarian because it's easier than working for a living.)
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To: Tax-chick
I was only 2 when it came out, and when it was re-released it was a huge event for me. What's very cool now is my daughter is the same age I was when I first saw it and she likes to watch them.

I'm still unsure whether or not she should see ep III. It's pretty rough for younger kids. I'll need to see it a couple more times before making a decision.
41 posted on 05/19/2005 12:26:44 PM PDT by KoRn (~Halliburton Told Me......)
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To: KoRn

My 3-year-old son likes Star Wars, too. He walks around with a paint stirrer, claiming it's his "red light saber" (Darth Patrick!), and has to sleep with his brothers' action figures.

I wouldn't take a young child to see Episode 3, or any of them, in a theater, but when they come out on DVD it might be okay. It's mostly just flashing lights to them. Young children really aren't paying much attention, and they don't understand the plot, or even much of the dialogue. At home, if there's a visual they might find disturbing, they can leave the room.

I think of Star Wars-type movie violence as being sort of like nature documentaries, to a child ... I remember when my oldest daughter (now 14) was about 2, she was watching a nature show where cheetahs were disembowelling an antelope - loud chomping, guts all over the landscape - and she said, "Oh, look, the kitties are eating their dinner! Nice kitties!"


42 posted on 05/19/2005 12:34:14 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm a shallow, demagoguic sectarian because it's easier than working for a living.)
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To: Tax-chick
I just saw the movie and would say that it is definately NOT for little kids. There is a part in there where the graphic violence (Spoiler free here PM if you want specifics), will be too much for a little one. That having been said, it is a good movie, albeit one without the luster of the originals. I'd say its #4 in my book behind the original trilogy. The best of the new trilogy for sure.

Cheers,
CSG

43 posted on 05/19/2005 1:31:13 PM PDT by CompSciGuy ("A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." - Winston Churchill)
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To: CompSciGuy

Thanks for the information. Can you FReepmail details on what you think is really bad? I was figuring on taking my three oldest kids: 8, 11, and 14.


44 posted on 05/19/2005 1:36:19 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm a shallow, demagoguic sectarian because it's easier than working for a living.)
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To: Brett66

Amen Brother! You and me both!

I love Reagan to this day. Star Wars has lost it's shine.


45 posted on 05/19/2005 1:36:52 PM PDT by hnorris (Deserve Victory)
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To: veronica
Anyone who stands in line to see any Star War movie is a retard.

Bite me.

Standing in line for a Star Wars movie, or Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, or any other type of movie like that, is like going to the bookstore at midnight the night a Harry Potter novel is released. It's a social event sans stigma.

46 posted on 05/19/2005 4:20:39 PM PDT by Junior (“Even if you are one-in-a-million, there are still 6,000 others just like you.”)
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To: KoRn
good ZOT! :D
47 posted on 05/19/2005 6:03:39 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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"good ZOT! :D"

Called anyone who waits in line for a Star Wars movie idiots.....they had it coming!

48 posted on 05/19/2005 6:21:37 PM PDT by KoRn (~Halliburton Told Me......)
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To: KoRn
I was only 2 when it came out, and when it was re-released it was a huge event for me.

My son was two when the first one came out. We thought maybe he could sleep through it. He did -- with me holding him in the lobby. It was weeks before I got another chance to see it.

49 posted on 05/19/2005 6:25:37 PM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: AppyPappy

"Face it, the best part of Star Wars was the opening music. The movie was good but the John Williams intro was perfect."


"Perfect" is the PERFECT word for it. The opening score is possibly my favorite movie music EVER.

Regards,


50 posted on 05/19/2005 6:29:53 PM PDT by VermiciousKnid
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