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Who are the real bullies in gun ban debate?
Portland Press herald ^ | 05/19/05 | Jim Verdolini

Posted on 05/19/2005 8:05:09 AM PDT by Fido969

MAINE VOICES: Jim Verdolini

Who are the real bullies in gun ban debate?

Copyright © 2005 Blethen Maine Newspapers Inc. E-mail this story to a friend

About the Author Jim Verdolini is a resident of Portland.

I take considerable exception, and not a small amount of umbrage, at the recent commentary about "Gun Bullies" that appeared in the paper May 11.

Columnist Bill Nemitz writes of recent threatening letters sent to legislators who have proposed a variety of gun bills this year. Despite a token denial, the essence of his piece was that nutty gun owners bully harmless legislators who are only trying to do the people's business.

OK, the writer has a point. Of the hundreds of thousands of gun owners in Maine, a few, a very few, go off the deep end and write very nasty notes to our legislators.

Nevertheless, I want to lay out the other side - to ask instead whether or not there are other "bullies," real ones with real power, who are also involved in this discussion.

We live in a state that has a very precise and clearly written constitutional right to keep and bear arms. As the Maine Constitution says in Section 16: "To keep and bear arms: Every citizen has a right to keep and bear arms and this right shall never be questioned."

IT'S PERFECTLY CLEAR

No ambiguity. No way to misconstrue either the meaning or intent of the Maine Constitution. Yet, in every session, we find ourselves confronted by some legislators who simply act as though the constitution was unimportant. They not only want to "question" it, they want to legislate this right away, bit by bit.

Every year citizens - who are not being paid by taxpayers for their time - must write, speak, and take vacation to go to Augusta to fight these bills.

Time and again we see the same cast of characters use their elected office to push an agenda not wanted by the public or allowed by the constitution, offering a "solution" to a problem that simply does not exist and that has never, ever worked anywhere it has been tried.

Every session we hear exaggerations, made-up numbers, claims of benefits not backed by fact, appeals to emotion and flat- out lies used to reduce a fundamental right. This gets very old indeed. Gun owners are fed up.

Now, Nemitz advises that these legislators get hate mail. Does anyone reading this believe that legislators proposing other controversial ideas do not also get hate mail? Do advocates of gay rights or, from the other side, those who favor limits on abortion, not get mail they consider threatening? Of course they do.

Here is a hypothetical: Suppose some legislators were attacked in the press in their last election. Suppose they created a bill to limit the freedom of the press or proposed a per word tax on the media.

Imagine the firestorm over that little idea. The legislators would get mail calling them every name in the book, and the press would be leading the charge. There would be no commentary calling those writers "bullies."

But to shooters, gun rights are every bit as fundamental as the right to free speech is to reporters.

Who are really the bullies? Well, who controls government? Who can pass laws? Who has the entire power of government behind their legislative acts?

It certainly is not individual gun owners. It is not organized groups of gun owners. It is not even the very few nuts who write threats.

ATTACKS ON RIGHTS

No, it is the legislators themselves who propose laws that attack our basic rights who are the bullies. Then they complain, "Those nasty citizens write mean things about us."

Some legislators even say they fear gun-owning citizens.

Let me make this very clear: There are tens of thousands of citizens outside of Augusta who spend every day the Legislature is in session afraid of what those with the real power to affect all our lives might do.

Our homes, our wallets, our families - and our guns - are not safe while the Legislature is in session.

- Special to the Press Herald


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Maine
KEYWORDS: assaultweapons; awb; bang; banglist; guncontrol; maine
Ongoing Maine gun control debate. See previous posts on this topic, this is a facinating story.
1 posted on 05/19/2005 8:05:09 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: Fido969; adam_az; American in Israel; Ancesthntr; aragorn; archy; Badray; buccaneer81; cc2k; ...

BANG!


2 posted on 05/19/2005 8:07:54 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Fido969

The recent scandal I saw regarding threatening emails being sent to legislators over a gun ban indicated that they were NOT sent by the person claimed. That it was an attempt to smear the movement and then punish them in the press.


3 posted on 05/19/2005 8:10:30 AM PDT by weegee (Funny how prisoners at Gitmo can have their religious books but our school kids can't.)
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To: Fido969

Can't they impeach these legislators for violating their oath to uphold the Maine Constitution?


4 posted on 05/19/2005 8:12:40 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Travis McGee

indeed!


5 posted on 05/19/2005 8:13:29 AM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: weegee


I would beleive it, it was definately a carefully orchetrated press effort to try to convey the idea of "thratening gun nuts", was your reference to mail sent in Maine? Can you give me a source or reference if it was?


6 posted on 05/19/2005 8:14:50 AM PDT by Fido969 (I see Red People!)
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To: Fido969
Some legislators even say they fear gun-owning citizens.

That means that our system of government is working exactly as designed. That is the beauty of it. It was designed precisely so that the people who wield government power must always be in fear of the people. Whenever they lose that fear, history shows that governments have both the tendency and the power to do horrible, destructive things.

7 posted on 05/19/2005 8:19:28 AM PDT by The Electrician ("Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.")
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To: Fido969
Threating e-mail to House Democrats said to be a hoax (correctly titled)

The Minnesota House.

8 posted on 05/19/2005 8:26:21 AM PDT by weegee (Funny how prisoners at Gitmo can have their religious books but our school kids can't.)
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To: Fido969

bump top check


9 posted on 05/19/2005 8:32:42 AM PDT by newsgatherer
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To: weegee

I think you got it!

The press on this was so carefully orchestrated (see prior posts on this topic) I am pretty sure that the dims tried to pull the same stunt here.

Either that or they took simply angry letters and peddled those to the press as "threatening mail".

The liberal Portland Press Herald, of course, having an opportunity to run a "right wing nut" story would never let a small thing thing like: "the facts" get in the way.


10 posted on 05/19/2005 9:00:02 AM PDT by Fido969 (I see Red People!)
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To: weegee

I think you got it!

The press on this was so carefully orchestrated (see prior posts on this topic) I am pretty sure that the dims tried to pull the same stunt here.

Either that or they took simply angry letters and peddled those to the press as "threatening mail".

The liberal Portland Press Herald, of course, having an opportunity to run a "right wing nut" story would never let a small thing thing like: "the facts" get in the way.


11 posted on 05/19/2005 9:00:02 AM PDT by Fido969 (I see Red People!)
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To: The Electrician
That means that our system of government is working exactly as designed

Precisely! My heart was warmed when I read that some legislators fear gun-owning citizens.
12 posted on 05/19/2005 9:04:02 AM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: Fido969

The same trick can be tried in different markets because none of the reports make the national news (or stay there long when the hoax is exposed).

There is a widescale corruption of bribes in major (Democrat) cities. Contracts worth billions and the number of affected cities keep rising. The Feds are investigating and getting convictions but everywhere the local angle is treated like a lone instance. There is a bigger picture of corruption to be exposed.

Same with the assaults and vandalism of Bush supporters and their homes in 2004 as the election continued.


13 posted on 05/19/2005 9:19:28 AM PDT by weegee (Funny how prisoners at Gitmo can have their religious books but our school kids can't.)
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To: weegee
That is an old Democratic tactic - right now a national trend like corruption or election fraud is treated as a local issue.

They do the same thing on legislation - each of the gun bills was treated as a local issue - but they were carbon-copy bills introduced in dozens of state legislatures.
14 posted on 05/19/2005 9:21:52 AM PDT by Fido969 (I see Red People!)
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To: Fido969
Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Debate should not be tolerated.

15 posted on 05/19/2005 9:38:18 AM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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To: Travis McGee; Squantos; TomasUSMC
Hmmmm..
The leftist bastards realize:
- they're losing at the LEGAL ballot boxes...
- they can't prevent REAL judges from taking office...
- they see the loss of the illegal immigrant "vote" on the horizon
- they see the war against Islamic lunatics going well, for US.
- their "icons" and "leaders" are being exposed as the worthless assholes they've always been.

So now -- they seem reinvigorated to disarm Americans.
Could the lunatics finally be acknowledging the ONLY way they can seize power is through violent revolution -- and they want to disarm their enemy?

Praise be -- PLEASE let them "bring it on"...
I've waited a long time....I'm and old man and don't have much more time, if I'm going to participate in the defense of the Constitution and the Republic..

Semper Fi
16 posted on 05/19/2005 9:41:42 AM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Fido969
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Contact her at the following phone number or email before May 25.

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17 posted on 05/19/2005 9:47:11 AM PDT by dogbrain (memo to self: Don't drink from toilet; it's where liberals wash their hands....)
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To: river rat

Gonna be a hot summer indeed friend........:o)

Good post !

Stay safe !


18 posted on 05/19/2005 9:52:08 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: mvpel
Can't they impeach these legislators for violating their oath to uphold the Maine Constitution?

I was thinking that bullets are cheaper than a trial, but on 2nd thought, a rope can be re-used.

The only reason that I'd skip the trial is that their public act of proposing such legislation is proof of their guilt. After all, don't they want to make our mere possession an act that justifies punishment?

19 posted on 05/19/2005 10:12:34 AM PDT by Badray ((Under construction))
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To: mvpel; Travis McGee
Can't they impeach these legislators for violating their oath to uphold the Maine Constitution?

You can in some states in which *Official Misconduct* legislation applies to public servants who use their position as public servants to violate the law. The logic for doing so is that they have conspired to violate the civil rights of those in their own jurisdiction, also denying those rights to out-of-state visitors in violation of the *full faith and credit* provision of the US Constitution, or that they have used their offices to commit a Deprivation of Civil Rights under color of law- both violations of federal statutes.

I don't know if Maine has an *official misconduct* provision it its state law code or not. But such statutes have been successfully applied in other states.

20 posted on 05/19/2005 12:02:48 PM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: river rat
Praise be -- PLEASE let them "bring it on"...

I've waited a long time....I'm and old man and don't have much more time, if I'm going to participate in the defense of the Constitution and the Republic..

The closest example of such a thing taking place in recent times would be the Finnish Civil War of 1918, in which the Finns exterminated the Communist revolutionary threat in their own midst. The cost was the death of around 3% of the population of the country, that in a 4-month long bloodletting that would almost certainly be much more protracted in this time and place, and of course far more brutal if the other side thinks they have a chance of winning through NVA or Mau-Mau style intimidation...particularly if foreign nationals from south of the border choose to participate.

I do not look forward to the idea of such casualties here, but it may well come to that. And remenber, if you are not helping to train junior officers and subordinates, both by lesson and example, you're not doing everything you could be. If you are, then you can be much more satisfied that the situation will be in good hands long after you are gone.

21 posted on 05/19/2005 12:11:20 PM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: Badray; Squantos; archy
I was thinking that bullets are cheaper than a trial, but on 2nd thought, a rope can be re-used.

I like the way your mind works!

22 posted on 05/19/2005 1:17:55 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: archy; river rat; wardaddy
I think that LA can serve as an example for how such a conflict would vary widely from region to region. LA now is run by "Mayor MECHa," who spent most of his life pushing for Aztlanizing the Southwest. It is already a "sanctuary city," the place cop killers flee to on their way to Mejico. I can only imagine the proportions this "sanctuary" status will take on in years to come. I think Greater LA is going to be virtually a foreign enclave on American soil.

In such places, I would not want to be living as part of a minority ethnic group, when TSHTF. It will be very brutal, with Stalinist martial law being imposed by future Mayor MECHas as the only alternative to Mad Max warlordism.

Naturally, this presupposes our national economy will by and large collapse. Anywhere you picked to live had better be near its own supplies of food and water, and very far from large urban areas. At least 300 miles (a tank of gas by maraudering gangs).

23 posted on 05/19/2005 1:25:05 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee; Badray; Squantos; archy
I was thinking that bullets are cheaper than a trial, but on 2nd thought, a rope can be re-used.

I like the way your mind works!

Haven't you ever wondered why the anti-gun forces were so concerned about the existance of *assualt rifles with bayonet lugs* in the hands of American patriots? The bayonetting of traitors and spies when such accounts are settled has long been not only a means of taking out the trash, but also of providing good training for previously squeamish rookies. The practice also serves pour encourager les autres, and was widely used by the Japanese troops wishing tomake their point on the subjugated peoples of China and the Phillipines, as well as American POWs taken in the early days of WWII.

The eventual payback for those Jap excesses came at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

24 posted on 05/19/2005 1:32:10 PM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: Travis McGee
It will be very brutal, with Stalinist martial law being imposed by future Mayor MECHas as the only alternative to Mad Max warlordism.

Oh no. Not at ALL the ONLY alternative.

Mr. Rat, I have a writ here that says you are to stop eating Cheng Lee's cornmeal forthwith. Now, It's a rat writ, writ for a rat, and this is lawful service of same! See? He doesn't pay any attention to me.

(BANG)

You can't serve papers on a rat, baby sister. You either kill him or let him be.

If they wish to collect alltheir eggs in one basket, that's their problem....
25 posted on 05/19/2005 1:39:59 PM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: archy
No argument from me.... I agree whole heartedly.
I've never gotten much out of vicarious involvement -- I've always felt it my job to keep those burdens from my "charges".....

I wouldn't want my grandchildren to have to correct the errors that my generation created.

I'm a participant -- not an observer..
But trust me - I got your point, and believe I've done an acceptable job with preparing my own young ones.

Semper Fi
26 posted on 05/19/2005 2:02:19 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Travis McGee

Getting 300 miles from a "hot bed" of mouth breathing leftists is damned near impossible in Kalifornicate...

I just drew three 250 mile radius circles, with the centers in Los Angeles, San Francisco and Portland...
EVERY bit of the West coast is COVERED --- except a very small section of coast at Crescent City, CA - far to the North..

EVERY other bit of Kalifornicate except Crescent City -- falls within just 2 of the 250 mile radius circles -- and 80 percent of both Oregon and Washington are covered by the 250 mile radius originating in Portland!!! Nearly 100% of the Oregon and Washington coast is covered....

Now then, if I were a tin hat wearing conspiracy flake -- I would sure get excited about the fact that ONLY Crescent City escapes the "Zone"...

There ain't anywhere to run folks...
You got to defeat them at the ballot box -- or hope they get stupid and do something that brings them into "season" with no "bag limit"..

Don't elect another sonuvabitch that doesn't believe in protecting Border, language and culture.....
Otherwise -- you keep dropping turds into a fresh lake -- and you end up with another turd world cess pool...

Semper Fi


27 posted on 05/19/2005 2:35:14 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat

Yep. America is our lifeboat, and if it swamps and broaches, we'll all be swimming.


28 posted on 05/19/2005 3:37:02 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
I like the way your mind works!

And some say that it doesn't work at all. LOL

29 posted on 05/19/2005 9:56:49 PM PDT by Badray ((Under construction))
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To: archy

Great movie, wsan't it?


30 posted on 05/19/2005 9:57:17 PM PDT by Badray ((Under construction))
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To: Badray
At the rate I'm losing brain cells...

Wait a minute, I had a point, somewhere.

31 posted on 05/19/2005 10:00:23 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Fido969
"our lives, our liberty, our property are not safe, while the legislature is in session."

Thos. Jefferson.

Might have mangled the quote a bit - but your author stole it.

32 posted on 05/19/2005 10:06:10 PM PDT by patton ("Fool," said my Muse to me, "look in thy heart, and write.")
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To: Fido969

The gun grabbers in my state should be afraid of me, since I AM going after them - ballot box style.


33 posted on 05/19/2005 10:06:12 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("Sh*t we are getting beaten up by the inventor of scrabble" - Last Boy Scout)
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To: Travis McGee

According to Cliff Claven, drinking makes you smarter by killing off the weaker/dumb brain cells and leaving only the stronger/smarter ones-- survival of the fittest kind of thing on a cellular level.

I know that I think I'm smarter while I'm drinking so maybe there is some truth to it. I'm going to perform another test tomorrow night.


34 posted on 05/19/2005 10:38:55 PM PDT by Badray ((Under construction))
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To: Badray

I'm working on my nighttime coffee now. I don't have enough brain cells left for booze. Well, not on nights I want to do any writing, anyway.


35 posted on 05/19/2005 10:44:12 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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