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[Dem] Memos reveal strategy behind judge filibusters [memogate]
WASH TIMES ^ | 5-19-05 | Charles Hurt

Posted on 05/20/2005 6:28:43 AM PDT by OXENinFLA

The "nuclear" showdown that is expected to begin unfolding in the Senate today has its origins in closed-door discussions more than three years ago between key Senate Democrats and outside interest groups as they huddled to plot strategies for blocking President Bush's judicial nominees.

In a Nov. 7, 2001, internal memo to Sen. Richard J. Durbin, who is now the minority whip, an aide described a meeting that the Illinois Democrat had missed between groups opposed to Mr. Bush's nominees and Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat and member of the Judiciary Committee.

"Based on input from the groups, I would place the appellate nominees in the categories below," the staffer wrote, listing 19 nominees as "good," "bad" or "ugly." Four of the 10 nominees who Democrats have since filibustered were deemed either "bad" or "ugly." None of those deemed "good" by the outside groups was filibustered.

Among those listed as "ugly" was Texas Supreme Court Justice Priscilla Owen, whose nomination will be brought to the floor today by Majority Leader Bill Frist, Tennessee Republican.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: 109th; 2004memo; collusionmemos; dirtyrats; estradamemo; filibuster; judges; memogate; mirandasrights; naacp; naacpmemo; obstructionistdems; owen; rats; rockefellermemo; senatorkennedy; sorelosers; teddykennedy; tedkennedy; ussenate
About time this get more play in the print news..........
1 posted on 05/20/2005 6:28:43 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ...
PING...
2 posted on 05/20/2005 6:29:19 AM PDT by OXENinFLA ("And that [Atomic] bomb is a filibuster" ~~~ Sen. Lieberman 1-4-95)
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To: OXENinFLA

She would not describe herself as a 'raving beauty," but she clearly is not "ugly."


3 posted on 05/20/2005 6:30:48 AM PDT by LOC1
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To: OXENinFLA

Mark Levin gets credit for recently bring this to light in his book, "Men in Black."


4 posted on 05/20/2005 6:31:34 AM PDT by Jack Bull
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To: OXENinFLA
>>>>Among those listed as "ugly" was Texas Supreme Court Justice Priscilla Owen


Now isn't that just too sexist!
5 posted on 05/20/2005 6:32:20 AM PDT by .cnI redruM ("Every man's your brother 'til the rent comes due" - Anon.)
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To: OXENinFLA

Coming soon to a theater near you: Richard Durbin as the Man with No Brain, starring in The Stupid, The Bad, and The Ugly. Also starring Ted Kennedy and Chuckie Schumer.


6 posted on 05/20/2005 6:33:13 AM PDT by puroresu
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To: OXENinFLA
Yehhhhhhhhhhhhh wait 'til the Washington Compost and NYT print it.

;-)

7 posted on 05/20/2005 6:33:16 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Iím sleeping with myself tonight.........saved in time, thank God my musicís still alive)
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To: OXENinFLA

Their strategy is simple, prevent W. from appointing "conservative" judges and especially to the SCOTUS. Alo, because of the stakes, they will do this at any cost, including lying on the senate floor revealing FBI files, and scaring the American people.


8 posted on 05/20/2005 6:33:44 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: lonevoice

ping


9 posted on 05/20/2005 6:36:34 AM PDT by Pride in the USA
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To: OXENinFLA
Does anyone remember the memo that asked for one of the nominees be postponed until after the Michigan Affirmative Action case was decided. They thought that if he/she was confirmed before the case it would put the opinion in jeopardy. It was a blatent example of outside groups interfering with the rule of law.

I don't think I am dreaming this but I just can't remember all of the details.

10 posted on 05/20/2005 6:43:24 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: Pride in the USA
THE MEMOS.......... Collusion Memos
11 posted on 05/20/2005 6:43:27 AM PDT by OXENinFLA ("And that [Atomic] bomb is a filibuster" ~~~ Sen. Lieberman 1-4-95)
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To: Pride in the USA; All

While we conservatives continue to play the PollyAnna game. Being the "good guy" doesn't prevent one from doing what needs to be done.


12 posted on 05/20/2005 6:43:45 AM PDT by olde north church (Priority: MESSAGE, then messenger.)
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To: codercpc

See post 11


13 posted on 05/20/2005 6:44:41 AM PDT by OXENinFLA ("And that [Atomic] bomb is a filibuster" ~~~ Sen. Lieberman 1-4-95)
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To: OXENinFLA

Thanks, we must have been posting at the same time.


14 posted on 05/20/2005 6:45:08 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: OXENinFLA
About time this get more play in the print news..........

That bears repeating:

About time this get more play in the print news..........

15 posted on 05/20/2005 6:45:47 AM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Minuteman at heart, couch potato in reality))
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To: OXENinFLA; backhoe

Should this thread also be linked with the Rockefeller Memo debacle:

MemoGate- sedition, slander-- or something worse?
Various FR links | 11-06-03 | The Heavy Equipment Guy

Posted on 11/06/2003 6:43:30 AM PST by backhoe


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1015893/posts


16 posted on 05/20/2005 6:47:42 AM PDT by JesseJane (Close the Borders. No Amnesty.)
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To: OXENinFLA
What did the GOP "Senate Leaders" do with the explosive memos????
Fired a REPUBLICAN staffer, and "moved on".
17 posted on 05/20/2005 6:47:53 AM PDT by MamaLucci (Mutually assured destruction STILL keeps the Clinton administration criminals out of jail.)
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To: codercpc
I don't think I am dreaming this but I just can't remember all of the details.

Your not dreaming it happened, BUT remember some things are only scandalous if Republicans do them. < sarcasm on bigtime >

18 posted on 05/20/2005 6:48:10 AM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Minuteman at heart, couch potato in reality))
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To: LOC1
Am I the only one here that thinks that Priscilla Owen is a dead ringer for Mara Liasson, chattering liberal commentator on Brit Hume's FNC nighlty news show?

Mara Liasson

19 posted on 05/20/2005 6:51:46 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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To: Alia

~memo ping~

It's time to pull in the DOJ on investigating the Rockefeller Memo and the politicization of National Security Intel as well. Their actions over the last 4 years prove beyond doubt, they are not interested in doing the business of the American people, and earning their way back to the WH, but dismantling this country for pure political power.


20 posted on 05/20/2005 6:52:27 AM PDT by JesseJane (Close the Borders. No Amnesty.)
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To: Cincinatus
Yup!

But we won't hold it against you!

21 posted on 05/20/2005 6:55:12 AM PDT by Young Werther
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To: Mister Baredog
It doesn't even matter than the Republicans are winning elections, because the Democrats still call the shots and Republicans are too whimy to stand up to them.

Any "comprimise" will allow the Dems being a substantial minority eliminate the more conservative judges anyway.

22 posted on 05/20/2005 7:03:53 AM PDT by Barney Gumble (All It Takes For Evil to Succeed is for Good Men to Do Nothing.)
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To: OXENinFLA

It not only shows we must win this fight, but must replace RINO'S in primaries. Too much talking not enough action. If there's a compromise over the weekend I'm only going to be able to support challengers in primaries.


23 posted on 05/20/2005 7:06:31 AM PDT by wmfights (lead,follow,or get out of the way)
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To: OXENinFLA; Salvation; EggsAckley
It appears that the Democrats are flailing away at ghosts, like they are trying to raise the dead. They are not engaged in genuine negotiations over judicial nominations. They want to avoid real negotiations while they posture with negative sound bite clips for the MSM.

Looming on the horizon like black storm clouds is the issue of new Supreme Court appointments. The countdown to major hostilities has just begun. Senate debates will become more shrill in a month because Justice Berger is due to step down. This great jurist has cancer and deserves to retire with dignity knowing that he has a replacement waiting in the wings. In the meantime, the floor of Senate may become bloody from petty back stabbing and noisy name calling.

On a More Amusing Note

I found this conservative web site today by accident because of a rant on the new Star Wars Epic was featured on Google. The site is called Dummocrats and I was laughing at the many funny images posted on it.

24 posted on 05/20/2005 7:07:42 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Mathew 7:1 through 6)
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To: Cincinatus

I agree with you, except her hair isn't the same and her face looks different....


25 posted on 05/20/2005 7:08:52 AM PDT by Defiant1
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To: OXENinFLA

Notice also that it's mainly the women and minority nominees that they want to block. They're o.k. putting through "white" men. If the courts become "diverse" and conservative, that will take away the old canard about conservatives only being angry white men.
Know what I mean?


26 posted on 05/20/2005 7:14:01 AM PDT by threeleftsmakearight
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To: Defiant1

"Again and again in recent years, the filibuster has been the shame of the Senate and the last resort of special-interest groups. Too often, it has enabled a small minority of the Senate to prevent a strong majority from working its will and serving the people." - Ted Kennedy 1975 on changing Senate Rule XXII


27 posted on 05/20/2005 7:16:33 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: JesseJane

It's also time, way past time, for the DOJ to ask Sen. Hillary to return the 900+ FBI files, isn't it?


28 posted on 05/20/2005 7:47:19 AM PDT by Waco
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To: Waco

Absolutely. 2006. Hammer time.


29 posted on 05/20/2005 7:51:48 AM PDT by JesseJane (Close the Borders. No Amnesty.)
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To: Jack Bull

Mark Levin is excellent... “The Great-One”.


30 posted on 05/20/2005 7:55:12 AM PDT by johnny7 (Ever wonder what's the 'crust' in 'Ol Crusty'?)
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To: JesseJane

You're right- I'll copy it over there, and thanks.


31 posted on 05/20/2005 8:39:24 AM PDT by backhoe (The 1990's? The Decade of Fraud(s)ô...)
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To: backhoe

Thanks Backhoe!

Thanks for all your work.. you are amazing.


32 posted on 05/20/2005 8:52:14 AM PDT by JesseJane (Close the Borders. No Amnesty.)
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To: OXENinFLA
[ "Based on input from the groups, I would place the appellate nominees in the categories below," the staffer wrote, listing 19 nominees as "good," "bad" or "ugly." Four of the 10 nominees who Democrats have since filibustered were deemed either "bad" or "ugly." None of those deemed "good" by the outside groups was filibustered. ]

SO THEN.....
If the democrat party deems them GOOD.?.. They are BAD.. AND their nominations should be reconsidered.?.

Sounds logical to me.. Looks like the democrats are very good at determining WHOS a RINO and WHOs NOT a RINO.. The democrats could be a great boost to developing a new GOOD judiciary.. I say USE them for that purpose until they catch on..

33 posted on 05/20/2005 8:59:42 AM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: JesseJane

You are right on target, JJ. I suspect, however, this whole thing could have been decided a week back; but, uh, my own common sense is telling me that more mileage has been obtained by bringing to the PUBLIC SQUARE very, very clear attention to what the Dems do as "classic, standard operational BS". And yes, I'd like for the Rockefeller memo to be quite "clearly" covered in "BIG VENUES"; but I suspect.. it has more value in currency as a negotiating tool, rather than an exposure. Better to get these clueless, self-absorbed, losing Democrats on board the starship UNITED STATES! And leave the hitpiece practices to the usual scoundrels, no? Thanks to you I have the Rockefeller memo ready at a moment's notice!


34 posted on 05/20/2005 6:48:36 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Alia
That would be a wonderful scenario, but I've given up on this adminstration.

What's up with Laura Bush all of sudden? Speaking at the WEF, going to Israel, etc. Why does her profile need to be raised? W just escaped a live grenade and he sends his wife on a trip like this? I don't see her running for any office, but heck, maybe she and the hubby are greasing the skids for a place at the Global Government table after this gig is up. Or maybe run for Mayor of Tijuana or something. s

grmblng. . . . . . .


..."Strong's most significant role at the U.N. to-date has been his position as Secretary General of the 1992 U.N. Conference on the Environment and Development, the Rio Earth Summit. In the opening session of the Rio Earth Summit, Strong commented: "The concept of national sovereignty has been an immutable, indeed sacred, principle of international relations. It is a principle which will yield only slowly and reluctantly to the new imperatives of global environmental cooperation. It is simply not feasible for sovereignty to be exercised unilaterally by individual nation states, however powerful. The global community must be assured of environmental security." Interestingly, Strong had initially been blocked from participating in the conference by the U.S. Department of State. When Strong learned of this, however, he persuaded then-President George Bush to overrule the State Department."...

http://www.nationalcenter.org/DossierStrong.html

35 posted on 05/22/2005 7:16:25 AM PDT by JesseJane (Close the Borders. No Amnesty.)
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To: JesseJane
I haven't given up at all on this administration. I think they are quite smart, in fact. The WEF is an organization that has been going for quite some time. Whether or not the US approves or not, the WEF is still a vital organization whether I like or not. Were I able to attend, I would also go. I don't think this has to do with the first Lady attempting to "raise her profile", per se. I do know that she as First Lady has projects. She is attempting to help the women in the mid-east. And, in order to do that, she has got to address organizations which have purview over men and women in certain, specific lands. The women alone, in the mid-east, for example, can only do so much with regard to becoming educated, being able to vote; education of the males in those country has to occur too! When these things are set to motion -- it is best and most polite to make such presentations to those who have influence in and over those countries. Laura Bush is doing this.

And, in so doing, better economic strata and potential will occur in these countries.

The way I see it is this, JJ -- in a nutshell: sending Laura over versus sending Maurice Strong. Laura Bush will champion private ownership; Maurice Strong will champion "large governments". Further, he will be most inclined to bring in the usual overregulatory factors which have done NO good to American businesses -- chasing American businesses out of America and to countries where the Fist of Big Government is not as invasive and oppressive - Basically, hobbling businesses before they even have a chance to catch their own breaths.

Lastly, I do not at all think the President would send the First Lady on a mission "like this". From absolutely everything I've studied about the First Lady, she is absolutely a woman of her own mind. She's made clear, to me certainly, what her missions are: Education, uplifting females and males in poorer countries. That these issues also dovetail with Bush Admin policies, certainly doesn't hurt. In fact, it is quite pleasant to see a Presidential couple working so neatly together. Unlike the Clintons, for example, and sad to say. This mission isn't about Laura. Or her support for her husband. She has the power to do certain things and to make some very positive changes in the lives of others. If I suspect anyone at all of encouraging Laura... it would be .. the President's Mother-- Barbara! lol. Yes, I am a huge fan of Barbara Bush. Her mission, her biggest one as first lady? Literacy. Literacy in America and around the world.

Are you aware of the type of education Palestine offers its people, and in particular to Palestinians residing in Israel? I have examples. Much of it is horribly anti-semitic. And being spoonfed to children.

Obviously, IMHO, our US military are not the only ones brave enough to put their lives on the line in order to go the root sources of war and problems in the world. She was heckled in Jordan, I read. She stayed focused.

In re the US and immigration policy.. I've been immersing myself in learning much I never knew before about the Civil War. Often, the US Immigration "discourse" puts me in mind of the Civil War. The problem is that huge, IMHO.

One side yells: "Shut down the borders! That's the only solution".. and I hear this echo in my mind "attack the plantations, free the slaves, that's the only solution to the North/South debate."

But lastly, I have respect for the connections Maurice Strong has; but have not much respect at all for Maurice Strong. Period.

36 posted on 05/22/2005 12:13:18 PM PDT by Alia
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