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US 'torpedoed Kursk nuclear sub'
The Australian ^ | May 09, 2005 | Daniel Stacey, London

Posted on 05/22/2005 2:27:06 PM PDT by demlosers

A FORMER British military official has backed a sensational claim that the Russian nuclear submarine, the Kursk, was torpedoed by US forces in August 2000.

An official inquest concluded that the disaster – in which all 118 crew drowned in the Barents Sea, 135km off the Russian coast – was caused by an accidental explosion of an onboard torpedo.

But Maurice Stradling, a former torpedo engineer and a key figure in the original investigation, believes a new French documentary, The Kursk: A Submarine in Troubled Waters, should change world opinion on the sinking.

"On the balance of probabilities, the Kursk was sunk by an American MK-48 torpedo," said Mr Stradling, formerly a senior member of the British Defence Ministry.

BBC editor Nick Fraser called the claim a "pack of lies" and has refused to air the documentary, which attracted a record audience of more than 4 million when it screened on French TV.

he BBC used Mr Stradling as its main authority for a documentary it made in 2001 – What Sank the Kursk?, in which Mr Stradling theorised that the sinking was caused by the malfunctioning of an old-fashioned HTP torpedo.

Mr Stradling, who also appears in the new French documentary, said: "At the time (2001), that was a perfectly reasonable film, given the facts as we knew them then, when there seemed to be no third-party involvement,"

The new explanation for the Kursk's downing is based on film footage of a hole in the side of the vessel, and evidence placing US submarines in the area at the time it was sunk.

The French film shows stills of the Kursk raised above the water after being salvaged, with a precise circular hole in its right side. The hole clearly bends inwards, consistent with an attack from outside the submarine.

A US military source in the documentary declares the hole to be the trademark evidence of an American MK-48 torpedo, which is made to melt cleanly through steel sheet due to a mechanism at its tip that combusts copper.

The film suggests the attack happened while two US submarines, the Toledo and Memphis, were shadowing the Kursk in a routine military exercise.

The documentary says the Toledo accidentally collided with the Kursk, at which point the Russian submarine opened its torpedo tubes, leading to an attack from the Memphis, which was protecting the damaged Toledo while it retreated.

The cause of the sinking was covered up at the time in an act of diplomacy between then US presidents Bill Clinton and Russian President Vladimir Putin – a deal that included the cancellation of $US10 billion ($12.5 billion) of Russian debt, the film states.

After the documentary received its only public broadcast in Britain, some claimed the Russian navy had drilled the hole and fed doctored footage to the film-makers to create a false impression.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: eurotrash; kursk; mikerivero; pantload; submarine; tinfoil; turass
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1 posted on 05/22/2005 2:27:06 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: demlosers

French documentary

Nuff Said.

2 posted on 05/22/2005 2:29:52 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: demlosers

Can I laugh now?


3 posted on 05/22/2005 2:29:58 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: demlosers
But Maurice Stradling, a former torpedo engineer and a key figure in the original investigation, believes a new French documentary, The Kursk: A Submarine in Troubled Waters, should change world opinion on the sinking.

French documentary.... Har har har! These are the same stinking ingrates who swallow Michael Moore and his lies whole. If they're a sucker for the Gorilla from Greenwich Village, they're a sucker for anything.

4 posted on 05/22/2005 2:30:25 PM PDT by Yossarian (Remember: NOT ALL HEART ATTACKS HAVE TRADITIONAL SYMPTOMS)
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To: demlosers

Sorry. I should have asked, "may I laugh now?"


5 posted on 05/22/2005 2:30:56 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Leapfrog

Great minds think alike - I was typing while you were posting!


6 posted on 05/22/2005 2:31:09 PM PDT by Yossarian (Remember: NOT ALL HEART ATTACKS HAVE TRADITIONAL SYMPTOMS)
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To: demlosers
Cornpone Did It!
7 posted on 05/22/2005 2:31:17 PM PDT by Cornpone
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To: demlosers

I hear Newsweek is reporting the crew then tossed a Koran in the ocean.


8 posted on 05/22/2005 2:31:39 PM PDT by Darkwolf (aka Darkwolf377 lurker since'01, member since 4/'04--stop clogging me with pings!)
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To: demlosers
>the Kursk was sunk by an American MK-48 torpedo


What, this old thing?! Well,
it's good to know standard stuff
can take out bad guys . . .

9 posted on 05/22/2005 2:32:38 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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10 posted on 05/22/2005 2:32:53 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (Warning: Frequent sarcastic posts)
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To: demlosers
" French documentary"

The type of phrase as "virtuous prostitute"
11 posted on 05/22/2005 2:33:13 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland
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To: demlosers

I'm sure this will be a lead story on the Today show tomorrow.


12 posted on 05/22/2005 2:33:14 PM PDT by mainepatsfan
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" French documentary"

The same type of phrase as "virtuous prostitute"
13 posted on 05/22/2005 2:33:35 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland
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To: demlosers

I expect Newsweek will waste no time in picking this story up and running with it.


14 posted on 05/22/2005 2:34:07 PM PDT by SusaninOhio
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To: demlosers
believes a new French documentary

Stopped reading it there. Simply silly.

15 posted on 05/22/2005 2:34:12 PM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the U.N. out of the U.S. and U.S. out of the U.N.!)
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To: demlosers

Oh, please.


16 posted on 05/22/2005 2:34:17 PM PDT by Bahbah (Something wicked this way comes)
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To: demlosers
a key figure in the original investigation, believes a new French documentary, The Kursk: A Submarine in Troubled Waters, should change world opinion on the sinking.

Ah yes, the french. The has-beens. The losers.

The propaganda of choice at the beginning of the 21st Century.
If your dreams of greatness and glory are long, long past, the next best source of satisfaction is to bring the successful, the innovators, the truly great, down.

Works for the SMs*. Why not for the french?
If you're going to lie and invent things, do it on a grand scale. If it pits the competition against each other, a welcome bonus.

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* SM© = Sweet Muslims

17 posted on 05/22/2005 2:34:28 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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To: Leapfrog

Is that a French Documentary by Micheal Moore?


18 posted on 05/22/2005 2:35:38 PM PDT by Chgogal
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To: Doohickey; judicial meanz; submarinerswife; PogySailor; chasio649; gobucks; Bottom_Gun; Dog Gone; ..

Snickering ping.


19 posted on 05/22/2005 2:35:53 PM PDT by SmithL (Proud Submariner)
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To: demlosers

So it happened on Bill's watch. This could have happened, I see no reason it couldn't have. But having said that it could be a M. Moore type of slime piece. And bear no facts other than a sub sank.

I say so what, if the story was true they shouldn't hav eopened their tubes.


20 posted on 05/22/2005 2:36:15 PM PDT by stockpirate (Kerry & Democrats; supported, financed, trained, guided, revered, in favor of, Communists.)
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