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Howard Dean reappears on national television (is using Terri Schiavo for political purposes)
Tallahassee Democrat ^ | May 22, 2005 | DICK POLMAN

Posted on 05/22/2005 9:54:19 PM PDT by FairOpinion

"The Schiavo case will probably be the turning point, in our ability to make our case to Americans about the incredible invasiveness of Republicans, when it comes to (citizens) making personal and private decisions," he said. By contrast, the Democrats should be viewed as "the party of individual freedom ... individual and personal responsibility," he said.

One problem, however, is that while Dean may speak officially for the Democratic party, he's only one of many players. Sunday, he struggled to explain why so many Senate Democrats barely raised a whimper when the Schiavo intervention bill was sailing through the chamber.

Dean said: "I can't speak for Democrats in the Senate. We didn't confer. It came up very fast," at a time when Democrats were focused on derailing Bush's Social Security privatization plan.

But now he's fixated on the Schiavo fallout, and he thinks it will play well in places like Arizona, a fast-growing red state with a centrist Democratic governor, the kind of state that Democrats need to win in future presidential elections. He thinks the Schiavo case will hurt the GOP in Arizona, a place where so many conservatives have "a huge ethos about individualism."


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: arizona; babyboomers; cary; chairmandean; dean; dnc; euthanasia; forcedexit; hmo; retirement; schiavo; socializedmedicine; soylentgreen; stilldead; terribots; terrischiavo
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Full transcript of Dean's interview by Tim Russert, NBC News on "Meet the press"
1 posted on 05/22/2005 9:54:20 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: All
Be thankful for Howard Dean!

Monty Python's Flying Circus lives!

Enjoy!

Wait, can cable companies, etc. charge extra for this? I don't have TV but some of you may want to watch your cable bills.

2 posted on 05/22/2005 10:06:16 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Goo- goo- google, good bye!)
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To: FairOpinion
Dean said: "I can't speak for Democrats in the Senate. We didn't confer. It came up very fast,"

Something the demorats aren't, is swift. Of course it didn't come up as fast as the filibuster and they didn't have a hard time getting on that train.

3 posted on 05/22/2005 10:09:20 PM PDT by taxesareforever
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To: FairOpinion
"The Schiavo case will probably be the turning point, in our ability to make our case to Americans about the incredible invasiveness of Republicans, when it comes to (citizens) making personal and private decisions," he said. By contrast, the Democrats should be viewed as "the party of individual freedom ... individual and personal responsibility," he said." Whirling dervish comes to mind when Howard 'the Duck' Dean spins like that! I have no doubt that democraps are planning their campaign of lies in near infinite variety. What disdain they have for the American voters, to believe in their black hearts that lying and deceit are what empowers them. It is abortion that empowers them ... and Howie should know that subject well!
4 posted on 05/22/2005 10:13:05 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: FairOpinion
"The Schiavo case will probably be the turning point, in our ability to make our case to Americans about the incredible invasiveness of Republicans, when it comes to (citizens) making personal and private decisions," he said. By contrast, the Democrats should be viewed as "the party of individual freedom ... individual and personal responsibility," he said. Whirling dervish comes to mind when Howard 'the Duck' Dean spins like that! I have no doubt that democraps are planning their campaign of lies in near infinite variety. What disdain they have for the American voters, to believe in their black hearts that lying and deceit are what empowers them. It is abortion that empowers them ... and Howie should know that subject well!
5 posted on 05/22/2005 10:13:28 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: FairOpinion

You're posting some interesting posts, tonight!


6 posted on 05/22/2005 10:15:53 PM PDT by SierraWasp (The "Heritage Oaks" in the Sierra-Nevada Conservancy are full of parasitic GovernMental mistletoe!!!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
I'm confused as hell...is this guy living on the same planet as me?

Denial ain't a river in Egypt, Howie.

7 posted on 05/22/2005 10:16:44 PM PDT by kromike
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
The good news for Democrats is that Howard Dean is a huge improvement over Terry McAuliffe. The bad news for Democrats is that's not saying much.
8 posted on 05/22/2005 10:23:07 PM PDT by billclintonwillrotinhell
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To: SierraWasp

"You're posting some interesting posts, tonight!"

Thanks. That's because I am spending more time here, instead of doing all the other things I should be doing -- one of which is that I should be going to bed, because I have to get up early tomorrow. :)


9 posted on 05/22/2005 10:25:00 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion; GVgirl
"...many conservatives have "a huge ethos about individualism."

I wish more so-called "conservatives" were more reliable in their "huge ethos" about anything! The stuff I've seen "conservatives" not only tolerate, but adopt since the great, historic CA Recall campaign/election have been astonishing, yes even sickening, to me!!!

If someone had predicted it in 2002 after Davis handily won re-election, I would have said they were berserk! Boy! Was I ever wrong!!!

10 posted on 05/22/2005 10:25:09 PM PDT by SierraWasp (The "Heritage Oaks" in the Sierra-Nevada Conservancy are full of parasitic GovernMental mistletoe!!!)
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To: FairOpinion
It's sad really that Howard Dean personifies the madness that currently inhabits the democrat party.

It would be better if both parties were sane. Instead we have to battle the lunacy coming from ignorant, lying mental cases like Screamin' Howie.

The really sad thing is people actually buy into the craziness and delirium causing them to believe the worst in everyone.

11 posted on 05/22/2005 10:25:29 PM PDT by Bullish
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To: FairOpinion
"The Schiavo case will probably be the turning point, in our ability to make our case to Americans about the incredible invasiveness of Republicans"

Terri Schiavo, through her lengthy fight to live with brain damage and paralysys, and then her courageous and tenacious 14 day fight for survival while being starved and dehydrated to death, showed us all that he will to live was astounding.

The tragic paradox of Howard Dean's disgusting statement is that the liberal, DEMOCRAT Judges intruded on Terri Schiavo's most precious right, her right to life. Armed police stood on guard day and night to make sure nobody placed a drop of water on her lips as she lie in bed, dying a slow and torturous death. As Fr. Frank Pavone said so succinctly, Terri Schiavo was murdered, plain and simple. He was with her the day she died, and the night before, and he said that he had never seen a person suffer so much in all his life.

Lest anyone doubt the word of Fr. Pavone, just know that he founded and runs Priests for Life, (a large Catholic pro-life organization); and that he is a fearless and brilliant young man. He was just given permission from Rome to found his very own Order, "The Missionaries of The Gospel of Life". God forgive me for saying this, but may Howard Dean rot in ........

12 posted on 05/22/2005 10:31:08 PM PDT by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" - Pope Urban II, 1097 A.D.)
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To: FairOpinion

Howie is a very good man...for the GOP!


13 posted on 05/22/2005 10:36:52 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: FairOpinion

Arizona has a "centrist" Governor?


14 posted on 05/22/2005 10:40:28 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis)
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To: MHGinTN

"By contrast, the Democrats should be viewed as "the party of individual freedom ... individual and personal responsibility," he said."

This is rich!! When have the Dems ever been the party of "individual and personal responsibility"? I thought they were the party of "it's someone else's fault" - usually Pres. Bush's fault.


15 posted on 05/22/2005 10:45:57 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: Bullish

These DemonRats are attracted to Doc Dean because he knows how to feed that hollow place in their hearts with hate. They are addicted to hate.

With that thought, I shall now treat my fellow Freepers with the lyrics to Doctor, Doctor by the Who:

Doctor, there's something wrong with me
My health is not all that it used to be
My heart is out of beat, I got chokers on my feet
My eyesight's getting dimmer, I can't see

Doctor thanks for seeing me today, I'm glad,
I've got every sickness there is to be had
I had whooping cough last month
And today I've got the mumps
And tomorrow I'll catch chicken pox as well.

Doctor doctor doctor make me well
I've not got long to go now I can tell
Doctor doctor doctor make me well
I've not got long to go I can tell
I've not got long to go I can tell

Those pills I took have no effect at all
Just the other day I had a nasty fall
And I think I broke my jaw when it hit the kitchen floor
And I'm shrinking last week I was five foot four

I've been getting shivers lately, is it flu?
I know the bug is going round, what can I do?
It's about to pick on me, I've still got the other three
Do you think I caught smallpox I'd get flu?


16 posted on 05/22/2005 11:14:01 PM PDT by jonrick46
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To: BnBlFlag

"Arizona has a "centrist" Governor?"

Yep, from the ninth gate to Hades.


17 posted on 05/22/2005 11:32:30 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
"By contrast, the Democrats should be viewed as "the party of individual freedom ... individual and personal responsibility,"

Did he say that with a straight face? DemocRATS to regulate everything, create the 'cradle to grave' pampering the loony left follower has wet dreams about.

18 posted on 05/23/2005 12:05:50 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: FairOpinion

El Rushbo can take the day off tomorrow and just run Dean-o's interview for his radio show. The insanity speaks for itself.


19 posted on 05/23/2005 12:21:08 AM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: DTogo

I saw a re-run of the interview tonight. What a colassol jerk that guy is.! He is a gift to us that keeps on giving. I think my favorite line this guy said was''I'm a practicing Christian, uh.....I really don't go to church and I do believe in abortion for all women and I still stand by my statement that we should not pre judge Ossama Bin Laden, but Tom Delay is a criminal and needs to go to jail now'' AND ON AND ON and on! I honestly think this guy is not going to make in this job a year! I think he'll end up in the looney bin!


20 posted on 05/23/2005 1:58:36 AM PDT by Bush gal in LA
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To: Bush gal in LA

You know the best part about Howard Dean?

All the blustering BS and quotable insanity of Terry McAwful without the fundraising acumen that his predecessor had.

He's truly our best friend; good quotes, less money, time and effort wasted in the reddest of red states.


21 posted on 05/23/2005 2:22:11 AM PDT by PittsburghAfterDark
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To: FairOpinion

Didn't the governor avoid meeting with Dean last week when he visited Arizona? Seems she had a "prior appointment". She might be one of the smarter Dems.


22 posted on 05/23/2005 2:24:25 AM PDT by Atlantian
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To: FairOpinion

Howie!...you go nutbar!...luv ya babe!...best thing yet for the Republican party.


23 posted on 05/23/2005 4:13:03 AM PDT by Route101
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To: FairOpinion
I think Howie's acting even more like a loon in order to make Hillie look more moderate.

Nice try, Howie.

24 posted on 05/23/2005 4:15:02 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: SierraWasp

The Democrats' ability to capitalize on ignorance never ceases to amaze me.


25 posted on 05/23/2005 6:25:26 AM PDT by GVnana
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To: TheCrusader

The TS charade has given many weapons to the enemies of conservativism. Insanity is like that.


26 posted on 05/23/2005 6:28:59 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: FairOpinion; Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Abby4116; Alissa; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; ...
>>>He [Dean] thinks the Schiavo case will hurt the GOP in Arizona, a place where so many conservatives have "a huge ethos about individualism."

Real smart Dean... Arizona: a place where baby boomers might LIKE to retire, but they certainly won't want to be Greer'ed, Felos'ed, or Schiavo'ed to death!


(this includes Ohioan from Florida's ping list, v.5-19-05)
27 posted on 05/23/2005 4:49:11 PM PDT by Future Useless Eater (formerly FL_Engineer) (It was wrong to kill her. No other "facts" matter.-JimRobinson)
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To: TheCrusader

>>>Lest anyone doubt the word of Fr. Pavone, just know that he founded and runs Priests for Life, (a large Catholic pro-life organization); and that he is a fearless and brilliant young man. He was just given permission from Rome to found his very own Order, "The Missionaries of The Gospel of Life".


THANKS for the news!
Father Pavone bump...


28 posted on 05/23/2005 4:52:25 PM PDT by Future Useless Eater (formerly FL_Engineer) (It was wrong to kill her. No other "facts" matter.-JimRobinson)
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To: Future Useless Eater
The democrats are pretty stupid. I will help them out. Republican Judges like Greer killed Terri by judicial fiat. Republicans in the Fla Senate are accountable too for a deceased Terri so how can Dean accuse the Republicans of helping her to make political points?

The democrats are missing the point that the GOP is deeply divided and instead of making hay about that, they are going further off the cliff of euthanasia which leads back to Auschwitz, Dachau and modern day death camps.

I'm going to start my web site again and it's going to be conservative based upon my beliefs about our govt completely in flux. I won't be merry on the 4th of July. There was no independence day for Terri. She was a "political prisoner" imo.

29 posted on 05/23/2005 5:00:12 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.terrisfight.org & www.theemppirejournal.com... The Schindlers "Never again.")
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To: TheCrusader

Father Frank Pavone is a great man. If Howard Dean wants to mention Terri's name, that's fine with me. It's a reminder that our country did something evil and illegal to an innocent woman of 41.


30 posted on 05/23/2005 5:03:08 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.terrisfight.org & www.theemppirejournal.com... The Schindlers "Never again.")
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To: Future Useless Eater

I agree with him that I think this may hurt the GOP but not in the way he means.


31 posted on 05/23/2005 5:15:06 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Future Useless Eater; floriduh voter; CindyDawg; Aussie Dasher; FairOpinion; WilliamofCarmichael; ..

32 posted on 05/23/2005 6:24:45 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael; FairOpinion; Future Useless Eater

Dean is, shall we say, a little out of touch with... reality.

33 posted on 05/23/2005 7:20:12 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: floriduh voter
It reminds you and me that evil was done to a disabled woman, but the mainstream media whoredom ahas so mischaracterized the facts (in service to their agenda to get democrats elected at any cost, including the truth), for the vast majority of Americans Terri's plight will never register for what it was. Dean and the democraps know the media will spin it their way so he demagogues the issue and uses it for democrap empowerment ... the usual empowerment through lies and deceit.

As an example of media information control, how many are even aware that Representative Roscoe Bartlett has a bill he's trying to get to the President's desk that will fund research on animals where a blastomere is removed from an in vitro embryo without killing the embryo and then develop embryonic stem cell lines with that pluripotent cell, thus getting embryonic stem cells without killing embryo-aged beings and perfecting the methodology without using human embryos first in the development of the processes to study ESCs?

34 posted on 05/23/2005 8:28:54 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: cpforlife.org; Coleus; Mr. Silverback; rhema; Caleb1411; hocndoc; Sun; Lexinom; topher

ping ... anyone know what the number for Roscoe Bartlett's bill is?


35 posted on 05/23/2005 8:33:35 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: hsalaw

I thought it was the party of "Let Big Brother Take Care of You."


36 posted on 05/23/2005 8:35:55 PM PDT by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: MHGinTN

Thanx for the ping.

Dean is a mad man.


37 posted on 05/23/2005 8:37:17 PM PDT by Sun (Call your U.S. senators & wavering senators toll-free, 1-877-762-8762 re: Const.option,vote yes)
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To: Future Useless Eater

Thanks for the ping!


38 posted on 05/23/2005 8:54:38 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: MHGinTN
For what little it's worth, I'll not ever "get over" the Terri Schiavo murder. That this happened in a land that prides itself on the founders' ideals of the right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness belonging to the individual as his or her intrinsic value as God's creatures can serve as none other than a resounding knell heralding the end of absolute truth. Many here on FR I will not speak to again because of the position they took on this matter and especially the basis on which they took said position - namely, implicit denial of absolute truth.

Each day I am faced with the ominous reality that the murder of little people under a certain age is ingrained in our state's Constution by the people of the state - most of whom have likely never seen an abortion. This is evidenced by the expression of horror that crosses their faces when they see a picture of one of abortion's many casualties. These are the same people who would be quick to arise and condemn - rightfully - the atrocities of the Third Reich.

39 posted on 05/24/2005 12:00:10 AM PDT by Lexinom (No more war! (against the unborn.))
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To: Future Useless Eater
Dean probably has a lurker or two on FR giving him his stats regarding an anticipated "blowback" regarding the believe of an activist Congress (Delay's "grandstanding") and activist President in the Schiavo case.
40 posted on 05/24/2005 12:03:11 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Sun

An angry, embittered man, drunk with bloodlust...


41 posted on 05/24/2005 12:03:53 AM PDT by Lexinom (No more war! (against the unborn.))
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To: Lexinom

(Nodding head in agreement, sadly.)


42 posted on 05/24/2005 8:17:38 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: floriduh voter; Future Useless Eater; FairOpinion

* The democrats are pretty stupid. I will help them out. Republican Judges like Greer killed Terri by judicial fiat.*

I agree, FV~!! The Demos, Dean and the MSM constantly fail to report the truth about Terri. Republican Judge's involvement in Terri's case, appear to be the best kept secret going. You'd think Florida was controlled by the Demo party, if you only listened to the MSM and Dean.

I look forward to seeing your website. You mentioned the 4th of July - Are you aware, that NASA launched a rocket a few months back. They plan to fire a huge explosive, warhead into a comet on - THE 4TH OF JULY!! I have no idea just what they are trying to prove.

It should be interesting to see if a massive hole blown into a comet, will cause problems. Odd that we have all kinds of money available for the comet foolishness, complete with fireworks in outer space on the 4th. Do you suppose NASA is trying to duplicate the Hollywood movie, with a similar theme? Weird, imo.

I'm so sick of politics right now. This morning on MSNBC a demo (sorry I didn't get his name), referred to Dr Dobson as the religious hard right and then went on to say that we don't need America to be turned into another Iraq or Saudia Arbia, by the likes of Dobson. Interesting that Demos get by with slamming conservative people and comparing them to Saddam. The MSM is truly on the side of death and destruction and I'm really disgusted by the implication that people like ourselves are dangerous, while the real danger - the killers of Terri - get a free pass.

I can hardly stand to watch the MSM this morning. People like Norah O'Donnell of MSNBC, are giddy with joy over McCain and his deal with the demos. My favorite politicans continue to be Tom Delay and also Scarbrough. Scarbrough was taken to task by the MSM for using a Hitler analogy on the Senate Floor this past week. Interesting isn't it? Since, some on FreeRepubulic, freak out over any reference to Hitler.

Our world now is a place of PC speech, with NO room for the truth. Individual rights/freedoms now means you really have NO rights, but instead should be FORCED TO DIE, according to Dean and others. Pretty sad and scary!! Dean is a moron. Arizona's demo governor wouldn't even meet with him when he was in Arizona. That's the only thing she's done that I agree with.

FUE, thanks for the ping to this thread! I sure hope Ohioan is okay. I really miss her.


43 posted on 05/24/2005 8:35:41 AM PDT by Pepper777
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To: FairOpinion

Dean is an idiot. Well I have to vote for a third party now that the lesser of two evils is a farce. Both sides suck.


44 posted on 05/24/2005 6:50:45 PM PDT by pc93 (http://tekgnosis.typepad.com)
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To: Pepper777
A couple pray the day of Terri's death.

"We need more conservatives judges." I got a call from the GOP today ranting about Howard Dean. I told the guy that Howard Dean's no worse than the liberals in teh republican party and that I'd consider helping the GOP if they kicked the liberals out of the party. I think I reamed him for about five minutes. Turns out, a lot of GOP are mad at the US Congress. The call today was to get my support for the State Party. Sorry, republicans killed Terri, no can do.

45 posted on 05/24/2005 7:01:16 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.terrisfight.org & www.theemppirejournal.com... The Schindlers "Never again.")
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To: Just mythoughts
Yep..a few amongst us should be afraid....very afraid.

The belittling disregard for Terry's life has done a lot of damage here.

This whole issue is just on a slow simmer in the under current.

Anger turned to quiet planning.

46 posted on 06/03/2005 8:28:45 AM PDT by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: Earthdweller

"The belittling disregard for Terry's life has done a lot of damage here."


This ordeal and some of the responses by supposed conservatives has been an eye opener for me.

Even many that claim to be conservative hold fast to what has become of the judicial system. Some are beholden to the system because they have a vested interest in maintaining its status and stature.

There is one standard that sets this nation apart from all others on this planet. That acknowledgment stated that "Rights are endowed by the Creator, no man/government/state can take", that is the key to our Heavenly protection and blessings. Think not check out the nations and the peoples of the rest of the world.

The day that we turn over to a group in black robes the power to endow the RIGHTS only the Creator has the authority to give or take is the day we become one and the same as the rest of the world. Which is exactly what the liberals and the moderate nobles are counting upon.


47 posted on 06/08/2005 6:35:20 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
"There is one standard that sets this nation apart from all others on this planet. That acknowledgment stated that "Rights are endowed by the Creator, no man/government/state can take", that is the key to our Heavenly protection and blessings. Think not check out the nations and the peoples of the rest of the world."

Yes...we are in complete agreement here.

Why are people in our own party conveniently forgetting that?

My guess is that they are falling pray to the "Theocracy" spin. We have never been a Theocracy and most definitely are not now but we are still a nation of mostly Christians.

I just wish we could act more like we are Christians without being discriminated against at every turn by the new socialist/atheist coalition now know as the Democratic Party.

They say some of them are Christians but they sure seem anti-Christian to me.

Did you see Howard Dean on the Today show this morning?

His big spin now is that the Republicans are just a bunch of white men/Christians who don't include anyone else.

Nothing really new with that lie...except the "don't include anyone" else part.

American Christians have included and excepted more diversity throughout our short history then any other nation on earth.

We are the melting pot for Christ's sake!

( Sorry..just getting a little bit put out this morning that Deano was dissing my Country.)

48 posted on 06/08/2005 7:32:59 AM PDT by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants_"Where there is life, there is hope"..Terri Schindler)
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To: Earthdweller
I missed the angry white doctor. I have to laugh about Dean and his 'bed-side' manner. I can't imagine being a patient of his.

"His big spin now is that the Republicans are just a bunch of white men/Christians who don't include anyone else."

They must have researched to see what provoked the greatest response out of liberal donors, the big money donors. Dean's spin is a demonstrable lie as Republicans are the party of tolerance.

In the days of Clintons there was not a more detestable group of people than conservatives. The Clintons were so obsessed with the "right-wing" they completely ignored the terrorist freaks plotting and planning our demise.
49 posted on 06/08/2005 8:07:27 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: TheCrusader

I like Fr. Pavone a lot. And when I have any doubts about my desire to join the Catholic church because the mass is too liberal, I just have to listen to the POTP where they pray for "an end to the scourge of abortion" to come to my senses and know that this is the only sane church out there. Just about. Well, the other big player, the Southern Baptists is moral too, just not my style.


50 posted on 06/08/2005 8:12:25 AM PDT by johnb838 (In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Amen.)
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