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Court Taking Up Abortion Notification (Supreme Court Takes Abortion Case)
MyWayNews ^ | May 23, 2005 | HOPE YEN

Posted on 05/23/2005 8:50:09 AM PDT by Asphalt

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1 posted on 05/23/2005 8:50:11 AM PDT by Asphalt
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To: Asphalt
This could be it. This might be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

If the USSC says that a minor can get an abortion without parental notification, all Hell's gonna break loose.

God help us all if they fark this up.

2 posted on 05/23/2005 8:55:28 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Asphalt

Totally amazing minors can't get a tooth extracted but can legally get an unwanted human being extracted without parental permission.


3 posted on 05/23/2005 8:56:13 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: Asphalt
because it didn't provide an exception to protect the minor's health in the event of a medical emergency.

Oh, that makes it different. If the child has a serious health problem, by NO means should one inform her parents about it.

TS
(now where was that link to the article about "sarcasm"?)

4 posted on 05/23/2005 9:02:56 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: Asphalt

Isn't the real issue here rape or incest? Is that what 'health problems' is a euphemism for?


5 posted on 05/23/2005 9:04:02 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Asphalt

Let's see. This court has held one under 18 cannot get the death penalty for anything because of his or her youth. I wonder if age will matter in this case. Should be interesting. If Rehnquist steps down before this one is heard, look for the Mother of All Appointment Battles...


7 posted on 05/23/2005 9:05:58 AM PDT by eureka! (It will not be safe to vote Democrat for a long, long, time...)
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To: Asphalt

In the main, parents are protectors of their children. Often girls (and I use the term advisedly, but we are talking about minor females here) are brought in for abortions by their adult boyfriends. This is often a part of the continuing pattern of subjugation and manipulation of young girls by older men. It would seem to me that a requirment of parental notification would get the parents, who are naturally protective of their children, involved in a matter where their protection is sorely needed.

Of course there need to be protections and judicial over-ride in cases where the parents are themselves abusive or, worse yet, have fathered the child through incest. But, generally speaking and absent abuse, it is better when parents are involved in the decisions of their children.

I don't see how proponents of abortion can fail to see this point.


8 posted on 05/23/2005 9:09:32 AM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: Asphalt
Odds are good the SCOTUS will require a "health" exception to be added to parental notification laws along with a required judicial by-pass procedure. No, the Court is not going to use this case as a vehicle to overturn Roe. Rather, its going to decide what kind of limits on abortion at the margins are constitutionally acceptable.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
9 posted on 05/23/2005 9:11:24 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Borges
Is that what 'health problems' is a euphemism for?

Abortion will never be banned in cases where the woman has health problems or "her life is in danger."

Therefore, "if I have this baby I will go into major depression."

"If I have this baby I will kill myself." Just say those magic words and no matter what the restrictions are they will have to perform the abortion.

10 posted on 05/23/2005 9:14:17 AM PDT by jsbankston
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To: Tarheel1

I agree with you, for me it goes back to the old Hank Williams song.

"Mind your own business and you wont be mindin mine."

How about if parents take some responsability to teach their kids about birth control....


11 posted on 05/23/2005 9:19:40 AM PDT by yama426 (91 octane)
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To: Borges

No, "health" is a euphemism for "Pregnancy is a drag, and having a baby would interfere with my social life (education, career, vacation), and I didn't even like the guy."


13 posted on 05/23/2005 9:20:43 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm a shallow, demagoguic sectarian because it's easier than working for a living.)
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To: clee1

Hell should have broken loose in 1973, but it didn't. When the courts figured they could get away with murder of babies they knew there was no limits.

Frankly I do not think they would have taken the risk if they did not know the Nixon administration, yes NIXON was not going to do more than make a public but token objection (just for show) and the Congress would not impeach. Sorry folks but I just don't see them doing it without some assurances there.


15 posted on 05/23/2005 9:23:10 AM PDT by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: Tarheel1

You sir or madam, are a freakin' idiot.


16 posted on 05/23/2005 9:26:24 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: yama426
Re: "How about if parents take some responsability to teach their kids about birth control...."

Incorrect. What do you think abortion is?
Birth control as plan "A" and plan "B"
17 posted on 05/23/2005 9:26:30 AM PDT by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: eureka!
This court has held one under 18 cannot get the death penalty for anything because of his or her youth.

Yes, that's because a girl under 18 is called just that: a girl. But of course, that's only when the issue is something other than abortion. As the honest, objective AP article above states:

"The New Hampshire law required that a parent or guardian be notified if an abortion was to be done on a woman under 18."

18 posted on 05/23/2005 9:29:33 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: inquest

Nice catch. Subtle in their deception, aren't they...


19 posted on 05/23/2005 9:32:26 AM PDT by eureka! (It will not be safe to vote Democrat for a long, long, time...)
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To: Tax-chick
It can also be a euphemism for "My boyfriend's going to beat the crap out of me if I don't get that abortion." Not that she'd ever give that reason to a judge, of course.
20 posted on 05/23/2005 9:33:36 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: inquest

Good point ... and if the judge agrees, he's facilitating the continuing abuse of a minor.


21 posted on 05/23/2005 9:35:49 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm a shallow, demagoguic sectarian because it's easier than working for a living.)
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To: Asphalt
The Boston-based 1st U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said the 2003 law was unconstitutional because it didn't provide an exception to protect the minor's health in the event of a medical emergency.

What an idiotic argument. If my daughter's health is in jeopardy, I certainly want to know about it!

22 posted on 05/23/2005 9:36:04 AM PDT by shekkian
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To: Mark in the Old South

The court had the luxury of knowing that Nixon wasn't going to be doing ANYTHING in 1973 that would anger the court or Congress.


23 posted on 05/23/2005 9:36:36 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Asphalt

Impecable timing for the SC to decide to take up this issue.... in light of the current near-nuke discussion taking place in the Senate. Nothing in politics happens by coincidence.... :)


24 posted on 05/23/2005 9:37:12 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: Tarheel1

OK, I'll get my son to impregnate your daughter and then I'll advise the both of them to kill the baby in utero (say...in the third tri-mester)....just remember it's none of your business because abortion is legal.


25 posted on 05/23/2005 9:38:06 AM PDT by Pio (Vatican II, thy name is Modernism, Madness and Death.)
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To: gridlock

You say in the main so I guess well disagree about when a person reaches adulthood.

Legally of course you need to be 21 to drink and 18 to vote.

However Id say that adulthood is when you can hurtle down the road in a big truck. They better be adult enough to handle that.

If the parents were so protective of their children in the first place maybe they should have bought them some protection and encouraged its use.

Im not so much a proponent of abortion as a proponent of someone making a choice. Theyll have to live with that choice. There is a difference between the two.


26 posted on 05/23/2005 9:40:07 AM PDT by yama426 (91 octane)
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To: eureka!
One could do a full-time study on the way the LSM manipulates language to suit its agenda, all while outwardly pretending to be objective. Note, for example, the way they always put quotation marks around partial-bitrh abortion, or do something else to make it clear that it's not an official term used by the medical industry. Yet they uncritically accept the highly vague and inflammatory term "assault weapons", despite the fact that it's not used at all by weapons experts, and has no clear meaning whatsoever.
27 posted on 05/23/2005 9:40:28 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: kjam22

You think it's crazy now, wait until Rehnquist retires in the middle of all this. And if something were to happen with either Stevens or O'Conner you can expect the senate to come to a standstill.


28 posted on 05/23/2005 9:41:22 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: inquest
Boyfriends tend not to threaten beating, they just slide away. It is usually the baby boomer parents of the girl or the girl herself who are most motivated to abort.

Under 18...somebody's pregnant? Get the District Attorney on the case....that's a possible case of statutory rape..(depending on the state ((some are 16)). Time to start prosecuting for statutory rape. If the boy is 16 or under...prosecute the girl as well.

29 posted on 05/23/2005 9:42:49 AM PDT by Pio (Vatican II, thy name is Modernism, Madness and Death.)
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To: wagglebee

Yep.... they have taken this case at this time on purpose. Paging SNOW, WARNER, SPECTER, MCCAIN.....


30 posted on 05/23/2005 9:42:50 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: Mark in the Old South

I think abortion should be a choice left to that individual.

But, as many conservatives have told me, the problem with my thinking is that it can be "too much freedom."


31 posted on 05/23/2005 9:44:23 AM PDT by yama426 (91 octane)
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To: inquest

Re#27 Absolutely, along with labels and lies. "Conservative" and "Right Wing" activist groups vs. "Public Interest", "Nonpartisan" and "Consumer Advocacy" groups. There is not enough time in the day to keep up with it all...


32 posted on 05/23/2005 9:44:32 AM PDT by eureka! (It will not be safe to vote Democrat for a long, long, time...)
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To: yama426
I think abortion should be a choice left to that individual.

In this case it should be left to the kids parents.

For many the real problem with abortion starts when the government using our tax dollars decides to start paying for abortions. Then it is no longer an individuals choice. When tax dollars are spent it is rightfully so that tax payers have part of the decision process.

33 posted on 05/23/2005 9:46:35 AM PDT by kjam22
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Boyfriends tend not to threaten beating, they just slide away.

I don't know if that's true in the majority of cases, though I'm not a sociologist. I also agree that threats of violence don't necessarily happen in the majority of cases either. But I'd bet what does happen in a large percentage of cases is that the "boyfriend" (if you can really call him that) puts tremendous pressure on the girl however he can. And thanks to these laws taking away the parental influence, his influence is the only one she has.

34 posted on 05/23/2005 9:48:55 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: kjam22

I guess well have to agree to disagree. If you can manage a car on our highways when you are 16 then to me you can manage your own body, but see above, Im all about too much freedom according to some.


35 posted on 05/23/2005 9:49:16 AM PDT by yama426 (91 octane)
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To: Borges
Health concerns is a euphemism for mental health. This is in case the woman could potentially suffer from depression, or anxiety or anything after the birth. It is an intentionally broad exception so as to render all restrictions unenforceable.
36 posted on 05/23/2005 10:08:37 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: yama426

Free to murder, that is admirable. Short and fits on a bumper sticker. This isn't about freedom and you know it.


37 posted on 05/23/2005 10:14:29 AM PDT by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: Asphalt

This is the battle the left has been waging by proxy for 20+ years. If they can get the USSC to rule that a minor doesn't need consent to have an abortion, then the slippery slope begins for all actions towards minors - statutory rape charges will be null and void because of it as well.


38 posted on 05/23/2005 10:14:33 AM PDT by Maigrey (Don't make me call the Emperor on you!)
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To: Tarheel1
So long as abortion is legal, it shouldn't be the parents damn bussiness.

Either you forgot your sarcasm tags or you aren't a parent.

39 posted on 05/23/2005 10:15:47 AM PDT by grellis (Will zot for cowbells)
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To: yama426
Im not so much a proponent of abortion as a proponent of someone making a choice.

I'm all for choice!

Let the baby, with her unique DNA, decide whether or not she wishes to be aborted.

40 posted on 05/23/2005 10:19:46 AM PDT by grellis (Will zot for cowbells)
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To: Mark in the Old South; yama426; Darksheare
This isn't about freedom and you know it.

sure It is. Abortion is about the favorite liberal freedom of all. It is the freedom to be completely irresponsible.

The right time to choose is when the panties are still in place.

41 posted on 05/23/2005 10:24:14 AM PDT by grellis (Will zot for cowbells)
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Re: "The right time to choose is when the panties are still in place."

Alas far too many think of panties as the perfect ankle accessory.
43 posted on 05/23/2005 10:29:11 AM PDT by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: Mark in the Old South

Care to weigh in on Sun Hudson?

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&q=sun+hudson

Looks to me like your the one advocating murder.

Youd be someone who said a stillborn child was alive I guess then.

Before you start throwing flames you might want to do some research on just how many kids starve to death every year.

But its oh so much easier to blame the libertarian, isnt it?


44 posted on 05/23/2005 10:32:27 AM PDT by yama426 (91 octane)
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To: Tarheel1

The parents are liable for all medical and psychiatric care that the girl will need afterward. They'll also be responsible to get her to a doctor once they realize how much she's bleeding (perhaps to death). You'd better believe it IS their business.


45 posted on 05/23/2005 10:38:52 AM PDT by katieanna (My Redeemer Liveth!)
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Re: "Sun Hudson"

Don't know him.

Re: "Looks to me like your the one advocating murder."

Your facts to support this assertion as to what I support is .........? I am waiting....... so far I see nothing to support your assertion.

Re: "Youd be someone who said a stillborn child was alive I guess then."

Again your facts to support this is......? Again I see nothing to support your claim about my thinking on this.

Re: "Before you start throwing flames you might want to do some research on just how many kids starve to death every year."

Can I gather from the above you believe the 1.5 million abortions performed in this country each year is to prevent the starvation of a like number. Perhaps it is all the fat kids stealing their lunch money. I am having a hard time taking you seriously.
47 posted on 05/23/2005 10:41:38 AM PDT by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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How do you know that?
Have you any idea how many women cannot have children after they've had abortions because their bodies are damaged beyond repair?
Abortion is just what the term implies: it is an aborting of the natural order of things. After conception, gestation and birth are to follow. If the body cannot sustain the pregnancy due to physical abnormalities, it will eject the fetus on its own (miscarriage).


48 posted on 05/23/2005 10:45:46 AM PDT by katieanna (My Redeemer Liveth!)
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To: Tarheel1

That's a curious position. Contracts are legal, but minors can't enter into them. When I go away from home, leaving my minor child in the care of his older siblings who are legal adults, I need to leave legal release authorizing his older siblings to seek medical care, otherwise, except for life-threatening circumstances, physicians are forbidden to treat him under existing laws.

The argument for the invalidation of anti-abortion laws was based on some notion (speciouly drawn from the Constitution by a kind of mystical 'reasoning') that the state ought not intrude on the privacy of citizens to enforce uniform judgements about such matters as when life begins. Giving the judgment of those matters to parents in the case of minors is in accord with a great deal of statutory and case law, and (unfortunately) contrary to the howls from the left would not really do anything to 'overturn' Roe.


50 posted on 05/23/2005 10:47:37 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (Christ is Risen! Christos Anesti! Khristos Voskrese! Al-Masih Qam! Hristos a Inviat!)
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