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Court Taking Up Abortion Notification (Supreme Court Takes Abortion Case)
MyWayNews ^ | May 23, 2005 | HOPE YEN

Posted on 05/23/2005 8:50:09 AM PDT by Asphalt

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To: Tax-chick
There were two trolls on this thread. One remains.

I don't buy into his "but I'm a libertarian!" bs, either. There are a number of libertarians on the forum I have become well acquainted with, and I don't think any of them are anti-life. One must have the freedom to make it out of the womb in order to have liberty of any kind, after all.

101 posted on 05/23/2005 5:09:11 PM PDT by grellis (Will zot for cowbells)
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To: grellis

No, there's more to these people than "libertarian." They're repeating the whole pro-abort agenda, word for word.


102 posted on 05/23/2005 5:55:18 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm a shallow, demagoguic sectarian because it's easier than working for a living.)
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To: grellis

Yeah, you dont understand the first lick about freedom. Freedom means other people do things even if you hate it. There are lots of things that people do that I hate but I dont say word one to them. I give them their rights. Your fist ends at the tip of my nose.

I hate to say it but your libertarian friends arent very libertarian. If they were true libertarian theyd believe in no governmental laws regulating abortion.

I stray from towing the party line and you scream troll, troll. Well Im way more fiscally conservative than youll ever imagine and I also see things like drugs as an issue of freedom. You claim to not want a nanny state but then you cant see the hypocracy of a 2.6 trillion dollar budget. You wont admit that RealID and other privacy issues are creating a daddy state.

I notice you offer absolutely no solutions to the problems we have. I also see that you are unwilling to say that a child should be born into an abusive situation.

I also see that you have nothing to say about Sun Hudson.

Again who are you to make the call? If you notice I dont say at any point that Im totally right. I just call for the option. Morally who am I to decide whats right? Who are you?


103 posted on 05/24/2005 8:54:35 AM PDT by yama426 (91 octane)
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To: yama426; Dan from Michigan; Darksheare
Cut out the rambling. You make zero sense.

Since you refuse to answer my simple question, I'll do it for you: Unique DNA--unique, individual human life--is created at conception. Period. You may continue to ramble on if you wish, but for me, the argument begins and ends right there.

You have stated on this thread--more than once, IIRC--that you support the "right" of abortion up until the moment the umbilical cord is cut. I am fairly certain that puts you in a minority of one on this forum. There are plenty of anti-lifers like you on this thread, but I'm willing to bet all of them would cringe at your beliefs.

Dan, you know a lot more about the libertarian stance on abortion than I do--would you mind weighin in with my new friend here?

104 posted on 05/24/2005 11:16:02 AM PDT by grellis (Will zot for cowbells)
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To: yama426

"Your fist ends at the tip of my nose. "

And what about the unborn child's nose?
Hmm?


105 posted on 05/24/2005 11:18:28 AM PDT by Darksheare ("Wedgies and beatdowns to all who oppose my lawn gnome!" -Crazy despotic lawn gnome collector.)
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To: grellis

I find it interesting they say this: "Your fist ends at the tip of my nose." and yet see no conflict with that statement and their stand on abortion.


106 posted on 05/24/2005 11:20:11 AM PDT by Darksheare ("Wedgies and beatdowns to all who oppose my lawn gnome!" -Crazy despotic lawn gnome collector.)
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To: grellis
Some libertarians are pro-life. Some are pro-choice.

One basic tenent in libertarian philosophy is over over use of force. Taking the life of another seperate being outside of self-defense is strictly verboten.

Another tenet is that government has no business getting involved in any issues outside of protecting life, liberty, and property.

The question is if libertarians believe a fetus is a baby(as I do), or not.

107 posted on 05/24/2005 11:24:09 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan (June 14 - Defeat DeWine - Vote Tom Brinkman for Congress (OH-2) - http://www.gobrinkman.com)
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To: Dan from Michigan

That summary is pretty much what I thought--thanks for the input!


108 posted on 05/24/2005 11:26:37 AM PDT by grellis (Will zot for cowbells)
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To: grellis

Re: "Here's a question that even someone not well versed in Latin can try to answer: At what stage of development is unique DNA created?"

conception. The uniting of the man's DNA (sperm) with the woman's (egg).


109 posted on 05/26/2005 9:11:27 AM PDT by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: Mark in the Old South

I thought it was a simple, straightforward question. That's probably why our motorcycle friend ignored it. After all, we don't want any simple, scientific facts getting in the way of the aboriton issue, do we?


110 posted on 05/26/2005 11:14:21 AM PDT by grellis (Will zot for cowbells)
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To: grellis

It was a simple and straightforward question but the problem with it is that it might force someone to come to terms with the reality of the policy they advocate. We can't have that.

Sticking the head in the sand seems to be a national obsession. I recommend changing our nation bird from the eagle to the ostrich.


111 posted on 05/26/2005 11:48:17 AM PDT by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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