Do not be fooled, the Republican Senate RAPED you tonight.

[Pukin Dog]

I know how much we all want to support our side. I know that many of us are looking for something good in what happened tonight. Sadly, an honest assessment will result in a single conclusion, that tonight the Republican Senate failed the nation, in order to protect themselves from having to take a vote that would determine the future Presidential ambitions of some Senators.

Do not blame the 12 moderates, because we already knew that they could not be trusted. Do not blame the President, and tonight, you cannot even blame the Democrats. Their side did their job, which was to win. Our side did not. I am not posting this to bash the Republican Party, I am posting this, because I already see some of us looking for the silver lining in this turd. Do not do that. Face the reality of the situation, which is that Senators care about Senators. Bill Frist had ample opportunity to change Senate rules prior to the formation of the 109th Congress. He also had ample opportunity to pull the trigger weeks, even months ago. He did not, which is why I said in an earlier post, that would not vote for Frist for President no matter the outcome of events.

Unfortunatly, we have no recourse. We cannot give up the Senate in an attempt to punish the Senate Republicans. We cannot afford to cut off our noses to spite our faces. But the time will come, where we will have a chance to make our voices heard. Not tonight, not 2006 but maybe by 2008 we will have the voice, the organization, and the attention of enough minds to truly punish the Senate for what they did tonight.

Keep your powder dry, and wait for these folks to come into range. Save your ammo for now. But one day, we will make them pay.

[Viking2002]

They made me buy them dinner, and I didn't even get a kiss afterwards.......

[Bosco]

Why don't moderates ever land on the side of conservatism?

[Peach]

We got NOTHING from this deal. It's lousy and I hope Frist is ticked off as all get out.

[newzjunkey]

I wouldn't say raped... diddled maybe but not raped.

[GenXFreedomFighter]

Because they're liberals who lack the courage of conviction to say so.

[Pukin Dog]

Because Conservatism requires Courage and Truth. No moderate can deal with those two things.

[Paul Atreides]

I cannot say that I am surprised that this happened, because I'm not surprised.

[Smedley]

I've bashed the GOP all night on this one, but suppose that ALL of Bush's nominees get a full vote? What if Frist's plan was nothing more than a veneer for the Dems to save a little face?

Naaaaaaaaaw!

[Petronski]

Keep your powder dry, and wait for these folks to come into range. Save your ammo for now. But one day, we will make them pay.

You are speaking figuratively, of course.

[Aquamarine]

Frist looked like he was close to having a stroke.

[muawiyah]

Heard this "guessed about" on Rush today. The idea was that the Democrats didn't really want to give the show away now but preferred to save their objection time for the Supreme Court nominees.

Looks like the "guess" was absolutely correct.

The Dems have lost their touch ~ took them a couple of months to realize they were going to hand all the power to the Republicans over relatively minor appointments.

Must be all the hard narcotics and drinking they've been into.

[Fledermaus]

Exactly!

[mewzilla]

We got NOTHING from this deal. It's lousy and I hope Frist is ticked off as all get out.

I hope 43's ready to kick some booty. Unless LS is right, and he's read his Sun Tzu :)

[joesbucks]

Unfortunatly, we have no recourse. We cannot give up the Senate in an attempt to punish the Senate Republicans. We cannot afford to cut off our noses to spite our faces. But the time will come, where we will have a chance to make our voices heard. Not tonight, not 2006

That's why they can do what they did. You can't punish them. They know, the democrats know it. So why don't you know it? Because since Reagan, the word has been, just wait until we control both the WH and Congress. But that's all it's ever been the word. Talk that don't match the walk.

[woofie]

The first thing that should happen is to get rid of McCain...


Arizona?

[Hildy]

ROFLMAO!!! You REALLY think anyone is even going to remember this in 2008?

[Betaille]

You seem to assume that the Republicans will be in power forever. Tonight they maintained a rule that could be very important WHEN, not IF, the Democrats once again have the majority in the Senate.

[lawdude]

"Why don't moderates ever land on the side of conservatism?"

Because they are Ultra-libs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dalereed]

"Why don't moderates ever land on the side of conservatism?"

Because a "moderate" is a liberal socialist that couldn't get elected in their district/state if they were honest and registered as democrats and didn't lie to their constituitants?!

[LS]

"But the time will come, where we will have a chance to make our voices heard."

I agree. And heck, I was going to "punish" the moderates (selectively, if possible) anyway. For ex., vote in Blackwell.

But do NOT be quick to think of this as a loss. Remember the Golden Bridge.

Ironically, the guy who brought this to my attention was "Major Bob" Bevalaqua!

[Guenevere]

#17..You bet!

[wolf24]

In effect, the GOP is the minority party in the Senate. In effect, 7 GOP Senators switched parties tonight.

[FreedomSurge]

There has been a realignment going on for some time now. There used to be a spectrum right to left in both parties. The Democrats no longer have any rightish senators. The Republicans will have winnowed out the leftish senators over the next 3 cycles.

After all of the winnowing is done, the natural order of the Senate will still be about 55-45 in the Republican's favor. I hate to say it but patience may still be needed.

[AZFolks]

I'm not sure this is over. Senator Frist spoke on the floor of the Senate and repeated his demand of an up or down vote. Clearly the Dems plan to let Owens gain cloture tomorrow. Frist should bring up Saud next and force their hand. I have contributed heavily to the Republican party, enough to be invited to DC to meet the President. I have informed the GOP my wallet is closed until this is resolved in our favor!

[GonzoGOP]

"Why don't moderates ever land on the side of conservatism?"

Well there was Zell Miller. We have also been able to pick off Lieberman on some of the foreign policy votes. The difference is that when a Dem moderate votes with us the Democrats retaliate against them to be sure they don't do it again. In contrast Johnny Mac and the rest of the RINO traitors know that Frist won't do a darn thing to them or their pet projects. If they knew that there would be a price to pay the moderates would be less willing to sell us out at every single chance they get.

[Hildy]

Yea...like we remembered the impeachment fiasco? was ANYONE "punished" for that?

[Pukin Dog]

Disclaimer: Pukin Dog speaks figuratively when speaking of 'dry powder' and 'saving ammo' and does NOT encourage violence of any kind, at any time against any current, former or future U.S. Senator.

I hope this is clear.

[wolf24]

I'd like to see a shred of evidence that Republican Senators have the minerals to attempt use these rules.

If you believe that GOP will ever fight Dem nominees the way the Rats have when they are in the minority, you are part of the problem.

[mewzilla]

ROFLMAO!!! You REALLY think anyone is even going to remember this in 2008?

Oh, yeah...Red counties are breeding as we type :)

[Petronski]

Well, I knew what you meant. ;O)

[fooman]

We can start supporting Bob Inglis for 08, in addition to throwing over sheets byrd.

[NavVet]

Sample Letter I just e-mailed to Lindsey. By the way, isn't that a girl's name. Dear Senator Graham,

I was one of those working as hard as I could for your election to the Senate. At the time you seemed to stand for the conservative principles, that I, and most other voters in South Carolina believe in. None more important than the principle of putting judges on the bench who will apply the law and not make policy. The judiciary is after all, the place where the radical left enacts its policy, even after losing the political debate. Your decision to side with the liberal left on this important issue is a profound disappointment, to those of us who believed in your candidacy.

I even bit my tongue, as you put forth a Social Security reform proposal that could have come from Senator Kennedy's office, but now that you helped the Democratic Party to twice undermine the most vital pieces of the President's domestic agenda, I feel compelled to voice my concerns.

I hope that you will reconsider your left turns and once again represent those voters in South Carolina that actually voted for you.

[NonValueAdded]

There is another Chinese proverb to consider, "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me." GWB undoubtedly remembers the deal his father made with the RATs for statesman-like purposes. GHWB backed off his "read my lips" promise for a quid pro quo on spending restraint. The RATs ignored their end of the bargain and even used GHWB's "cave in" as a campaign slogan against him. It was devistating and gave us x42. And that is just one example. Sorry, but the definition of insanity is repeating the same mistake over and over and expecting a different outcome.

[mewzilla]

I hope this is clear.

Not even spitballs?! :(

[TADSLOS]

[taillightchaser]

I hope he was a better surgeon than he is a wuss senate leader.

[mewzilla]

Sorry, but the definition of insanity is repeating the same mistake over and over and expecting a different outcome.

Very true!

But we haven't seen the outcome yet :)

[taillightchaser]

I hope he was a better surgeon than he is a wuss senate leader.

[Guenevere]

#27..at different levels...yes.

[FreedomCalls]

Why have you added "Account removed per poster's request." to your own home page?

[righttackle44]

"The first thing that should happen is to get rid of McCain...
Arizona?"

McCain is such an arrogant jerk. I did not vote for him. But he won 70 per cent of the vote. He did not campaign at all.

Probably the only one who could beat him is J.D. Hayworth, but he's also been mentioned by the party for a run at the governorship.

[SaveTheChief]

Term limits now! Put the power back into the hands of the American people.

[Pukin Dog]

Those who use their Power responsibly, can indeed keep it forever. Those who do not, are the ones who forget where that Power came from. They tend to believe that they earned that Power, when it was probably only loaned for evaluation of effectiveness.

Some day, I want to vote for a party that does not just want to win if they can get along with their opponents, but a party that will kick the crap out of their enemy every single damn day.

[vetsvette]

"You seem to assume that the Republicans will be in power forever. Tonight they maintained a rule that could be very important WHEN, not IF, the Democrats once again have the majority in the Senate."

The next time the Dummies are in the majority, they'll change the Senate rules on Day 1 and refresh everyone's memories on the positions Repubs took these last few months to justify it.

What makes you think that they'll suddenly start playing fair??

[Pukin Dog]

Those who use their Power responsibly, can indeed keep it forever. Those who do not, are the ones who forget where that Power came from. They tend to believe that they earned that Power, when it was probably only loaned for evaluation of effectiveness.

Some day, I want to vote for a party that does not just want to win if they can get along with their opponents, but a party that will kick the crap out of their enemy every single damn day.

[auburntiger]

Ever heard of Republicrats?

[fooman]

The cancer, if not cut out, will metastasize

[Pukin Dog]

I actually forgot that was there.

[veronica]

Are you so angry that you'd stay home and let Hillary win?

Think about it....