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Do not be fooled, the Republican Senate RAPED you tonight.

Posted on 05/23/2005 5:57:23 PM PDT by Pukin Dog

I know how much we all want to support our side. I know that many of us are looking for something good in what happened tonight. Sadly, an honest assessment will result in a single conclusion, that tonight the Republican Senate failed the nation, in order to protect themselves from having to take a vote that would determine the future Presidential ambitions of some Senators.

Do not blame the 12 moderates, because we already knew that they could not be trusted. Do not blame the President, and tonight, you cannot even blame the Democrats. Their side did their job, which was to win. Our side did not. I am not posting this to bash the Republican Party, I am posting this, because I already see some of us looking for the silver lining in this turd. Do not do that. Face the reality of the situation, which is that Senators care about Senators. Bill Frist had ample opportunity to change Senate rules prior to the formation of the 109th Congress. He also had ample opportunity to pull the trigger weeks, even months ago. He did not, which is why I said in an earlier post, that would not vote for Frist for President no matter the outcome of events.

Unfortunatly, we have no recourse. We cannot give up the Senate in an attempt to punish the Senate Republicans. We cannot afford to cut off our noses to spite our faces. But the time will come, where we will have a chance to make our voices heard. Not tonight, not 2006 but maybe by 2008 we will have the voice, the organization, and the attention of enough minds to truly punish the Senate for what they did tonight.

Keep your powder dry, and wait for these folks to come into range. Save your ammo for now. But one day, we will make them pay.


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KEYWORDS: 109th; filibuster; gop; moststupidheadline; ussenate; waaaaaahhhhhhhh; wewon
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1 posted on 05/23/2005 5:57:25 PM PDT by Pukin Dog
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To: Pukin Dog
They made me buy them dinner, and I didn't even get a kiss afterwards.......


2 posted on 05/23/2005 5:59:41 PM PDT by Viking2002 (There's a little Snake Plissken in all of us. Welcome to the human race.)
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To: Pukin Dog

Why don't moderates ever land on the side of conservatism?


3 posted on 05/23/2005 5:59:53 PM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: Pukin Dog

We got NOTHING from this deal. It's lousy and I hope Frist is ticked off as all get out.


4 posted on 05/23/2005 6:01:08 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Pukin Dog

I wouldn't say raped... diddled maybe but not raped.


5 posted on 05/23/2005 6:01:19 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Remind Liberal Cowards Why America Freed Iraq: http://massgraves.info/)
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To: Bosco

Because they're liberals who lack the courage of conviction to say so.


6 posted on 05/23/2005 6:01:19 PM PDT by GenXFreedomFighter (We smirked our way back for a second term!)
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To: Bosco
Because Conservatism requires Courage and Truth. No moderate can deal with those two things.
7 posted on 05/23/2005 6:01:24 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog

I cannot say that I am surprised that this happened, because I'm not surprised.


8 posted on 05/23/2005 6:01:30 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (FACT: You can get more reliable information in a beauty shop, than from the media)
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To: Pukin Dog
I've bashed the GOP all night on this one, but suppose that ALL of Bush's nominees get a full vote? What if Frist's plan was nothing more than a veneer for the Dems to save a little face?

Naaaaaaaaaw!

9 posted on 05/23/2005 6:01:50 PM PDT by Smedley (I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt.)
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To: Pukin Dog
Keep your powder dry, and wait for these folks to come into range. Save your ammo for now. But one day, we will make them pay.

You are speaking figuratively, of course.

10 posted on 05/23/2005 6:02:17 PM PDT by Petronski (A champion of dance, my moves will put you in a trance, and I never leave the disco alone.)
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To: Pukin Dog

Frist looked like he was close to having a stroke.


11 posted on 05/23/2005 6:02:40 PM PDT by Aquamarine
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To: Pukin Dog
Heard this "guessed about" on Rush today. The idea was that the Democrats didn't really want to give the show away now but preferred to save their objection time for the Supreme Court nominees.

Looks like the "guess" was absolutely correct.

The Dems have lost their touch ~ took them a couple of months to realize they were going to hand all the power to the Republicans over relatively minor appointments.

Must be all the hard narcotics and drinking they've been into.

12 posted on 05/23/2005 6:03:05 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Peach

Exactly!


13 posted on 05/23/2005 6:03:22 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Nothing in this RINO deal gurantees Brown, Owen and Pryor will be CONFIRMED!)
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To: Peach; LS
We got NOTHING from this deal. It's lousy and I hope Frist is ticked off as all get out.

I hope 43's ready to kick some booty. Unless LS is right, and he's read his Sun Tzu :)

14 posted on 05/23/2005 6:03:29 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Pukin Dog
Unfortunatly, we have no recourse. We cannot give up the Senate in an attempt to punish the Senate Republicans. We cannot afford to cut off our noses to spite our faces. But the time will come, where we will have a chance to make our voices heard. Not tonight, not 2006

That's why they can do what they did. You can't punish them. They know, the democrats know it. So why don't you know it? Because since Reagan, the word has been, just wait until we control both the WH and Congress. But that's all it's ever been the word. Talk that don't match the walk.

15 posted on 05/23/2005 6:03:49 PM PDT by joesbucks
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To: Pukin Dog

The first thing that should happen is to get rid of McCain...


Arizona?


16 posted on 05/23/2005 6:04:08 PM PDT by woofie ("Plunk your magic twanger, Froggy!!")
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To: Pukin Dog

ROFLMAO!!! You REALLY think anyone is even going to remember this in 2008?


17 posted on 05/23/2005 6:04:22 PM PDT by Hildy ( The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of his tongue)
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To: Pukin Dog

You seem to assume that the Republicans will be in power forever. Tonight they maintained a rule that could be very important WHEN, not IF, the Democrats once again have the majority in the Senate.


18 posted on 05/23/2005 6:04:40 PM PDT by Betaille
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To: Bosco

"Why don't moderates ever land on the side of conservatism?"

Because they are Ultra-libs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


19 posted on 05/23/2005 6:04:43 PM PDT by lawdude (Liberalism is a mental disease.)
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To: Bosco

"Why don't moderates ever land on the side of conservatism?"

Because a "moderate" is a liberal socialist that couldn't get elected in their district/state if they were honest and registered as democrats and didn't lie to their constituitants?!


20 posted on 05/23/2005 6:04:54 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Pukin Dog
"But the time will come, where we will have a chance to make our voices heard."

I agree. And heck, I was going to "punish" the moderates (selectively, if possible) anyway. For ex., vote in Blackwell.

But do NOT be quick to think of this as a loss. Remember the Golden Bridge.

Ironically, the guy who brought this to my attention was "Major Bob" Bevalaqua!

21 posted on 05/23/2005 6:05:44 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: Hildy

#17..You bet!


22 posted on 05/23/2005 6:06:02 PM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Pukin Dog

In effect, the GOP is the minority party in the Senate. In effect, 7 GOP Senators switched parties tonight.


23 posted on 05/23/2005 6:06:03 PM PDT by wolf24
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To: Pukin Dog
There has been a realignment going on for some time now. There used to be a spectrum right to left in both parties. The Democrats no longer have any rightish senators. The Republicans will have winnowed out the leftish senators over the next 3 cycles.

After all of the winnowing is done, the natural order of the Senate will still be about 55-45 in the Republican's favor. I hate to say it but patience may still be needed.

24 posted on 05/23/2005 6:06:13 PM PDT by FreedomSurge
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To: muawiyah

I'm not sure this is over. Senator Frist spoke on the floor of the Senate and repeated his demand of an up or down vote. Clearly the Dems plan to let Owens gain cloture tomorrow. Frist should bring up Saud next and force their hand. I have contributed heavily to the Republican party, enough to be invited to DC to meet the President. I have informed the GOP my wallet is closed until this is resolved in our favor!


25 posted on 05/23/2005 6:06:35 PM PDT by AZFolks
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To: Bosco
"Why don't moderates ever land on the side of conservatism?"

Well there was Zell Miller. We have also been able to pick off Lieberman on some of the foreign policy votes. The difference is that when a Dem moderate votes with us the Democrats retaliate against them to be sure they don't do it again. In contrast Johnny Mac and the rest of the RINO traitors know that Frist won't do a darn thing to them or their pet projects. If they knew that there would be a price to pay the moderates would be less willing to sell us out at every single chance they get.
26 posted on 05/23/2005 6:06:55 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Guenevere

Yea...like we remembered the impeachment fiasco? was ANYONE "punished" for that?


27 posted on 05/23/2005 6:07:01 PM PDT by Hildy ( The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of his tongue)
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To: Petronski
Disclaimer: Pukin Dog speaks figuratively when speaking of 'dry powder' and 'saving ammo' and does NOT encourage violence of any kind, at any time against any current, former or future U.S. Senator.

I hope this is clear.

28 posted on 05/23/2005 6:08:08 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Betaille

I'd like to see a shred of evidence that Republican Senators have the minerals to attempt use these rules.

If you believe that GOP will ever fight Dem nominees the way the Rats have when they are in the minority, you are part of the problem.


29 posted on 05/23/2005 6:08:29 PM PDT by wolf24
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To: Hildy
ROFLMAO!!! You REALLY think anyone is even going to remember this in 2008?

Oh, yeah...Red counties are breeding as we type :)

30 posted on 05/23/2005 6:08:39 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Pukin Dog

Well, I knew what you meant. ;O)


31 posted on 05/23/2005 6:08:53 PM PDT by Petronski (A champion of dance, my moves will put you in a trance, and I never leave the disco alone.)
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To: Hildy

We can start supporting Bob Inglis for 08, in addition to throwing over sheets byrd.


32 posted on 05/23/2005 6:09:05 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Pukin Dog
Sample Letter I just e-mailed to Lindsey. By the way, isn't that a girl's name. Dear Senator Graham,

I was one of those working as hard as I could for your election to the Senate. At the time you seemed to stand for the conservative principles, that I, and most other voters in South Carolina believe in. None more important than the principle of putting judges on the bench who will apply the law and not make policy. The judiciary is after all, the place where the radical left enacts its policy, even after losing the political debate. Your decision to side with the liberal left on this important issue is a profound disappointment, to those of us who believed in your candidacy.

I even bit my tongue, as you put forth a Social Security reform proposal that could have come from Senator Kennedy's office, but now that you helped the Democratic Party to twice undermine the most vital pieces of the President's domestic agenda, I feel compelled to voice my concerns.

I hope that you will reconsider your left turns and once again represent those voters in South Carolina that actually voted for you.
33 posted on 05/23/2005 6:09:15 PM PDT by NavVet (“Benedict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: mewzilla
There is another Chinese proverb to consider, "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me." GWB undoubtedly remembers the deal his father made with the RATs for statesman-like purposes. GHWB backed off his "read my lips" promise for a quid pro quo on spending restraint. The RATs ignored their end of the bargain and even used GHWB's "cave in" as a campaign slogan against him. It was devistating and gave us x42. And that is just one example. Sorry, but the definition of insanity is repeating the same mistake over and over and expecting a different outcome.
34 posted on 05/23/2005 6:09:17 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (NEWSWEEK LIED, PEOPLE DIED)
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To: Pukin Dog
I hope this is clear.

Not even spitballs?! :(

35 posted on 05/23/2005 6:09:20 PM PDT by mewzilla
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36 posted on 05/23/2005 6:09:43 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: Aquamarine

I hope he was a better surgeon than he is a wuss senate leader.


37 posted on 05/23/2005 6:09:57 PM PDT by taillightchaser
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To: NonValueAdded
Sorry, but the definition of insanity is repeating the same mistake over and over and expecting a different outcome.

Very true!

But we haven't seen the outcome yet :)

38 posted on 05/23/2005 6:10:19 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Aquamarine

I hope he was a better surgeon than he is a wuss senate leader.


39 posted on 05/23/2005 6:10:32 PM PDT by taillightchaser
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To: Hildy

#27..at different levels...yes.


40 posted on 05/23/2005 6:10:33 PM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Pukin Dog

Why have you added "Account removed per poster's request." to your own home page?

41 posted on 05/23/2005 6:10:45 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: woofie

"The first thing that should happen is to get rid of McCain...
Arizona?"

McCain is such an arrogant jerk. I did not vote for him. But he won 70 per cent of the vote. He did not campaign at all.

Probably the only one who could beat him is J.D. Hayworth, but he's also been mentioned by the party for a run at the governorship.


42 posted on 05/23/2005 6:10:59 PM PDT by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: Pukin Dog

Term limits now! Put the power back into the hands of the American people.


43 posted on 05/23/2005 6:11:04 PM PDT by SaveTheChief (<insert clever, witty, or silly statement here>)
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To: Betaille
Those who use their Power responsibly, can indeed keep it forever. Those who do not, are the ones who forget where that Power came from. They tend to believe that they earned that Power, when it was probably only loaned for evaluation of effectiveness.

Some day, I want to vote for a party that does not just want to win if they can get along with their opponents, but a party that will kick the crap out of their enemy every single damn day.

44 posted on 05/23/2005 6:11:11 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Betaille
"You seem to assume that the Republicans will be in power forever. Tonight they maintained a rule that could be very important WHEN, not IF, the Democrats once again have the majority in the Senate."

The next time the Dummies are in the majority, they'll change the Senate rules on Day 1 and refresh everyone's memories on the positions Repubs took these last few months to justify it.

What makes you think that they'll suddenly start playing fair??
45 posted on 05/23/2005 6:11:12 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: Betaille
Those who use their Power responsibly, can indeed keep it forever. Those who do not, are the ones who forget where that Power came from. They tend to believe that they earned that Power, when it was probably only loaned for evaluation of effectiveness.

Some day, I want to vote for a party that does not just want to win if they can get along with their opponents, but a party that will kick the crap out of their enemy every single damn day.

46 posted on 05/23/2005 6:11:20 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog

Ever heard of Republicrats?


47 posted on 05/23/2005 6:11:32 PM PDT by auburntiger
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To: taillightchaser
The cancer, if not cut out, will metastasize
48 posted on 05/23/2005 6:11:48 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: FreedomCalls
I actually forgot that was there.
49 posted on 05/23/2005 6:12:29 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog
Are you so angry that you'd stay home and let Hillary win?

Think about it....

50 posted on 05/23/2005 6:12:29 PM PDT by veronica (AntiCP - join the fun at the new forum...)
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