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Milk 'Can Combat Heart Disease'
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 5-24-2005 | Nic Fleming

Posted on 05/23/2005 6:08:11 PM PDT by blam

Milk 'can combat heart disease'

By Nic Fleming, Health Correspondent
(Filed: 24/05/2005)

A diet rich in milk may protect people from heart disease and strokes, says a study published today.

Researchers who studied the diets and health of men over a 20-year period found that those who drank a lot of milk were 12 per cent less likely to have a heart attack and almost half as likely to suffer a stroke.

The authors of the study - published in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health - suggest that the widespread perception that milk increases the risk of heart disease is inaccurate.

Prof Peter Elwood, from the University of Wales, says: "Many cross-sectional studies have shown that milk intake is positively related to blood cholesterol levels and an increase in milk consumption is followed by an increase in cholesterol level.

"This paper challenges the belief that because milk drinking raises blood cholesterol level it increases the risk of vascular disease."

"The present perception of milk as harmful, in increasing cardiovascular risk, should be challenged, and every effort should be made to restore it to its rightful place in a healthy diet."

In the group of 665 men aged between 45 and 59 cholesterol levels and blood pressure readings were similar in those who consumed a pint or more of milk a day and those who had less than half a pint.

The risk of a stroke among those in the high milk intake group was 88 per cent of that of the whole group.


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I drink two large glasses of 1% milk daily...my cholestrol level is 168 and I take 12mg of Lovastatin daily.

I just wonder if I can go back to eating a pint of Blue Bell 'Homemade Vanilla' ice cream daily?

1 posted on 05/23/2005 6:08:14 PM PDT by blam
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2 posted on 05/23/2005 6:11:15 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: blam
I drink two large glasses of 1% milk daily

If 1% is good for you, think how much better "whole" milk must be. Of course, whole milk used to be 4-4.5%, and now they water it down to 3.25%. The Blue Bell does sound like the safest course of action.

3 posted on 05/23/2005 6:14:16 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35

2% here. An occasional small dish of Cherry Garcia. The only thing from VT allowed in my home.


4 posted on 05/23/2005 6:25:41 PM PDT by UB355
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To: blam
I'm sure it's the bovine hormones and genetically modified cowfeed that are the secret! By the time a woman dies of breast cancer or worse, she won't have had time to notice that - "Wow! I didn't have a heart attack?" I stopped trusting the milk "industry" when I found out a few things:

price fixing and putting small farms out of business

feeding herbivorous cattle a diet of cheap junk animal products. and

high volume, low quality at the expense of human health

falsifying study results about early puberty, hormone imbalances, obesity and other preventable side effects of their abominable product

5 posted on 05/23/2005 6:35:58 PM PDT by steenkeenbadges
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To: blam
I grew up drinking Jersey and "golden" Guernsey raw milk.This was 4.0-5.5% butterfat.
On a hot summer day it is the greatest taste in the world.
We used to skim off the frothy foam the agitator in the milk tank would create.Add sugar and put on anything that you would use whipped cream on.
6 posted on 05/23/2005 6:43:13 PM PDT by carlr
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To: blam

A pint of Bluebell could be insufficient. I suggest that you consume at least two pints per day.


7 posted on 05/23/2005 6:43:49 PM PDT by catpuppy
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To: steenkeenbadges

This is not the Frist caved thread. Keep looking though.


8 posted on 05/23/2005 6:44:08 PM PDT by UB355
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To: blam

fresh whole goats milk here, it's the best!


9 posted on 05/23/2005 6:51:21 PM PDT by MomwithHope
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To: blam

Buying milk darn near gives me a heart attach.

Our (18 yo) son drinks a 1/2 gallon a day.


10 posted on 05/23/2005 6:52:14 PM PDT by TheMom (Govern yourself accordingly.)
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To: carlr

I lived on a dairy between the ages of 5-11. We would take 100% cream, add any berries and sugar, mmmmm!


11 posted on 05/23/2005 7:17:21 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

How about cheese and moose?


12 posted on 05/23/2005 7:19:09 PM PDT by steve86
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To: BearWash

Paging PETA, paging PETA!


13 posted on 05/23/2005 7:26:36 PM PDT by ExpatGator (Progressivism: A polyp on the colon politic.)
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To: blam

Calcium is important for coronary health


14 posted on 05/23/2005 7:30:59 PM PDT by fso301
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To: blam

Thanks for posting an article that brings reason back into view.

Nothing wrong with milk; something wrong with what WE do to the cows that produce it. Answer, look for real milk produced from grass-fed cows and support the farmer who does it right.

Sooner or later the greedy who feed animal products to herbavores and shoot them full of growth hormones and anti-biotics will change their ways.


15 posted on 05/23/2005 7:39:42 PM PDT by Spirited (God, Bless America, ;))
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To: blam; steenkeenbadges

I hate headlines that mangle the truth. Way to go, MSM.

I actually read the journal article it talks about, and nowhere in it does it suggest that milk might 'combat' heart disease and stroke.

All they're pointing out is that it seems that in the long run, milk has no particular effect on those diseases. So drink up!

Beware though, if you already have high cholesterol, increasing your intake of saturated fats is just not a good idea. :)

I'll also point out that what steenkeenbadges says may have some merit; from my understanding growth-hormone treating cows increases the amount of IGF-1 (a human growth hormone) in the milk, and the full physiology of the action of excess IGF-1 in the blood is not yet well understood (but there's certainly concern that it is one of the reasons we're seeing trends of a younger average age of puberty.)


16 posted on 05/23/2005 7:40:45 PM PDT by staterightsfirst
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To: fso301
"Calcium is important for coronary health."

True but, I've read that calcium is worthless without the proper levels of vitamin D.

17 posted on 05/23/2005 7:42:01 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

There is also a new study out that says sunshine prevents skin cancer. (I'm not kidding.) So there.


18 posted on 05/23/2005 7:43:50 PM PDT by groanup (http://fairtax.org)
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To: groanup

Yep, there's really no absolutes in the world.

Some sunshine = better chance of adequate vitamin D intake = reduced cancer risk.

Too much sunshine = increased skin cancer risk.

It's like riding a unicycle... :)


19 posted on 05/23/2005 7:49:27 PM PDT by staterightsfirst
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To: blam
In the group of 665 men aged between 45 and 59 cholesterol levels and blood pressure readings were similar in those who consumed a pint or more of milk a day and those who had less than half a pint.

What's the average difference here between the two groups? How much more than a cup? Given the fat/cholesterol content of the Western diet, an extra cup of milk may not alter the bp/cholesterol readings appreciably. An extra bag of potato chips might not, either. That is not to say that either one contributes to good vascular health.

Also, what does "similar" mean? I gather it means that the average bp and cholesterol readings in the milk-drinking group were higher, but the differences were not statistically significant. It's a big leap from that to say that milk "combats" heart disease.

The risk of a stroke among those in the high milk intake group was 88 per cent of that of the whole group.

What other differences might one note between milk-drinkers and non milk drinkers that might account for the difference? More health-minded? Inclined to exercise? Lower salt consumption? I wonder how many factors the study controlled for: the article doesn't say.

20 posted on 05/23/2005 7:50:07 PM PDT by Innisfree
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To: UB355

Publix's Black Jack Cherry is just as good & costs a lot less.


21 posted on 05/23/2005 7:51:39 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Tell Senators to stop judicial filibuster....using FREE number: 1-877-762-8762)
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To: groanup

It didn't say that. The article said the vitamin D from sunlight helped prevent fatal cancers. Skin cancer is normally not fatal. They weighed getting skin cancer versus preventing fatal cancers.


22 posted on 05/23/2005 7:54:24 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: steenkeenbadges

Try Horizon organic milk, I drink it by the gallons.


23 posted on 05/23/2005 7:56:23 PM PDT by MaxMax (GOD BLESS AMERICA)
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To: Innisfree

It might interest you to know that the article the source is referencing is actually an overview of research and not the study itself - it just tangentially mentions it.

(They also do explicitly mention that the study indicated didn't control for any other factors.)

Also interesting to note that the source journal article for this 'new news' is from 2001. Unless, that is, Dr. Elwood published basically the same paper in the same journal a couple of years apart.


24 posted on 05/23/2005 8:00:46 PM PDT by staterightsfirst
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To: catpuppy
"I suggest that you consume at least two pints per day."

Despite it's questionable origins, I gotta go with the Ben and Jerry's. Cherries Garcia is the BEST! Of course, at 2 pints a day, I'd look like the Goodyear blimp in a month's time.

25 posted on 05/23/2005 8:08:35 PM PDT by sweetliberty (Never argue with a fool. People might not know the difference.)
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To: blam
True but, I've read that calcium is worthless without the proper levels of vitamin D.

I'm no expert but I think vitamin-C or some other component of orange juice also facilitates calcium absorption which is why some brands of orange juice are fortified with calcium.

26 posted on 05/23/2005 8:25:36 PM PDT by fso301
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To: sweetliberty

Ben and Jerry's? No way. I'd rather send my money direct to some pinko twit than to support--even retrospectively--the B&J clique. Blue Bell is an all-American ice cream.


27 posted on 05/23/2005 8:35:08 PM PDT by catpuppy
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To: staterightsfirst
I didn't find anything pertinent with a quick Pub Med search, but I found this reference through Google:

7. Elwood, P.C., Pickering, J.E., Fehily, A.M., Hughes, J. & Ness, A. Milk drinking, ischaemic heart disease & ischaemic stroke. I. Evidence from the Caerphilly Cohort. Eur. J. Clin. Nutr. 58: 711-717 (2004).

I don't have access to the journal, and it's not the article referenced in the Telegraph (apparently). Why would they cite a review rather than the original research?

29 posted on 05/23/2005 8:40:03 PM PDT by Innisfree
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To: blam

Milk is good for you today. All dairy products are bad. We must all drink soy milk tomorrow. I am getting so confused on what to eat!!!


30 posted on 05/23/2005 8:41:55 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy (Walk Softly, For a Dream is Born)
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To: Spirited

Seriously, is it possible to get good milk for a reaonable price? The only good milk I can find at the local Sprouts store is $3.50 a half gallon or more. With seven people in the house I keep talling my hubby we can only afford to eat better after the kids move out.


31 posted on 05/23/2005 8:46:01 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy (Walk Softly, For a Dream is Born)
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To: groanup

I know about the sun and skin cancer thing. Heard of a lecture on it (don't remember where) a doctor was stating that the best thing everyone can have is one hour of natural sunlight per day.


32 posted on 05/23/2005 8:47:56 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy (Walk Softly, For a Dream is Born)
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To: PAR35

"If 1% is good for you, think how much better "whole" milk must be."

I've never had my blood checked but I drink an average of 4 gallons of whole milk a week and am going strong at 67.


33 posted on 05/23/2005 8:53:03 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Innisfree

I saw that too, but it's the wrong journal - the one they (supposedly) reference is from the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health (which is the 2001 paper), not the European Journal of Clinical Nutrition.

On second glance, it does look like the 2004 one is the actual study they're talking about in this article, but without comparing the raw numbers (which I'm too lazy to do), it's too difficult to tell which one they're using - the studies say basically the same thing.

So I bet you're right and that's the one, in which case, WAY TO MESS UP THE REFERENCE, MISTER "HEALTH" AUTHOR.

Also... just glancing over the 2004 study, it does seem to have controlled for all the right things (lifestyle, caloric intake, additional risk factors, etc). The only thing it didn't do is control for fat/non-fat milk drinkers, but they wave some numbers around and claim it doesn't really matter.


34 posted on 05/23/2005 9:04:49 PM PDT by staterightsfirst
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To: HungarianGypsy
Clean milk is not cheaper. Question is can you afford the problems that "milk" the way it is now produced can leave in your bodies?

Google "Weston A Price" and do some looking to get info.

If you live near enough to a farm in some states you can "rent" or "share" a cow...

Clean poultry is even more rare and what we get on the market is polluted in unparalleled ways.

http://www.realmilk.com/
35 posted on 05/23/2005 9:14:15 PM PDT by Spirited (God, Bless America, ;))
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I've never had my blood checked but I drink an average of 4 gallons of whole milk a week and am going strong at 67.

Not to scare you or anything, but a great deal of heart diseases have absolutely no symptoms prior to the first heart attack or stroke. Lesions can develop in the arteries with you feeling absolutely fine and seeming to be in great health. (Though of course, if you exercise regularly, that's a fantastic way of decreasing your overall risk, but genetics, diet, etc. all play a role and it's impossible to tell which has the most effect.)

It's never a bad idea to get your blood checked, because the levels of cholesterol, CRP, and other things in your blood will tell you definitively what your current risk of cardiovascular disease is, and the best part is that you can usually dramatically alter these levels and your subsequent risk just through simple lifestyle changes (i.e. no drugs).

Regards!

36 posted on 05/23/2005 9:17:16 PM PDT by staterightsfirst
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At 67 im not going to concern myself with it.

The last time I was sick was 59 years ago and except for bi-annual flight exams the only reason i've had to see a doctor since then has been for accidental damage repair a few times.


37 posted on 05/23/2005 9:21:39 PM PDT by dalereed
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At 67 im not going to concern myself with it.

The last time I was sick was 59 years ago and except for bi-annual flight exams the only reason i've had to see a doctor since then has been for accidental damage repair a few times.

As far as excercise, i've never and will never excercise intentionally although I do construction work daily so that probably makes up for it.


38 posted on 05/23/2005 9:23:07 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: staterightsfirst
WAY TO MESS UP THE REFERENCE...

Exactly---LOL :-)

it does seem to have controlled for all the right things (lifestyle, caloric intake, additional risk factors, etc

(I wish I could view articles that quickly! Is this reprinted on the internet somewhere or actually available online from the publisher? Most of them are so bloody expensive...and I have to rely on glacial interlibrary loan.)

I wonder if the lifestyle factors included a global assessment of the diet---I mean, not just caloric intake but quantities of fruits and vegetables. Extra calcium, magnesium, potassium from fruits and veggies could certainly make a difference.

39 posted on 05/23/2005 9:30:07 PM PDT by Innisfree
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To: dalereed
I do construction work daily so that probably makes up for it.

Yeah, it generally would. The key is aerobic exercise, and the amount of walking, lifting, etc. in construction definitely qualifies. In fact, if you have a physically demanding job (and at 67 - good for you!), additional exercise really becomes less of a good idea because you're stressing your immune and antioxidant systems.

The last time I was sick was 59 years ago

It's totally up to you, so I'll just point out for the benefit of the lurkers that a strong immune system (i.e. rarely become symptomatic for colds, flus) will in no way protect you against heart disease.

40 posted on 05/23/2005 9:36:48 PM PDT by staterightsfirst
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To: fso301

Skim Milk with Vitamin D added is the way to go ... pour it over wheat chex and raisin bran, no sugar added, and eat it out on the porch looking at the farm land early every morning. Chase it with a 12 oz. cup of strong coffee.


41 posted on 05/23/2005 9:44:26 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Innisfree
Is this reprinted on the internet somewhere or actually available online from the publisher?

I actually have a subscription access to MedLine, which aggregates a great number of journals, giving me access to a lot of recent ones, sometimes the full text is available, more often just the abstract. I lucked out and had clickable full text for both of these!

I wonder if the lifestyle factors included a global assessment of the diet

From what I can tell (though they skim over the details) yes, they did, and they basically state that the average nutrition in the diet didn't vary between the milk-drinkers and non-drinkers.

Also, it might interest you to know that you raised a good point about the fact that milk makes up a relatively small portion of the daily fat intake, they note this in the study as around 11% total daily fat from milk.

42 posted on 05/23/2005 9:58:52 PM PDT by staterightsfirst
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To: blam

goat milk and don't forget to take co-enzyme q10 because statin drugs wipe them out.


43 posted on 05/23/2005 10:00:33 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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"goat milk and don't forget to take co-enzyme q10 because statin drugs wipe them out."

Nah, no goat's milk for me. Do statins wipe-out co-enzyme q10 in cows milk too. (What is co-enzyne q10?)

44 posted on 05/23/2005 10:07:04 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Milk is very healthy. The whole theory that it is bad for people is worse than stupid.


45 posted on 05/23/2005 10:09:18 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: blam

Your body makes it and the statin drugs interfere with it. Your heart needs it to run itself properly. Seeing as how live in a nice, rural area you can get fresh cow milk. Better than stuff that's had the life boiled out of it.

http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/nutsupdrugs/coe_0084.shtml


46 posted on 05/23/2005 10:10:40 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: PAR35

"The Blue Bell does sound like the safest course of action."

Isn't ice cream ALWAYS the safest course of action?


47 posted on 05/23/2005 10:10:45 PM PDT by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: MaxMax

Trader Joe's sells hormone free milk, too.

I always buy that for my family.
My daughter still entered puberty early though.


48 posted on 05/23/2005 10:18:08 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delenda est publius schola)
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To: fso301
[ Calcium is important for coronary health ]

Calcium is important for nervous system health..
The nerves operate by calcium based operatives..
Including the brain.. Liberals must hate MILK...
Maybe thats their PROBLEM.. lack of milk..

49 posted on 05/23/2005 10:21:57 PM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: blam

Why drink milk when god gave us Whiskey? lol only kidding.


50 posted on 05/23/2005 10:26:13 PM PDT by KingNo155
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