President Bush Won Big Tonight, the Democrats fell in the trap (Vanity Post)

[alwaysrepublican]

Tonight the compromise allowed three judges for an up and down and vote. These judges Prior, Owens, Rogers Brown were the most abused by the Democrats, the left wing liberals, and their media whores. These were the most extreme of the extraordinary circumstances of the all President Bush nominees and any future filibuster will be very difficult once these three judges are approved. Moreover, and most importantly, if when there is a vacancy in the US Supreme Court, President Bush can appoint any of these three judges to the SCOTUS and no one can filibuster them. It is over we tricked the Democrats and they fell right in our trap.

Cheer up.

[LibFreeUSA]

You actually believe this crap!

[alwaysrepublican]

It is not crap and you have to take advantage of everything.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Don't be a CINO (Conservative in Name Only)
Don't listen to CINO's in politics,
the Main Stream CINO media,
and even here on Free Republic.

Remember all who told you not to worry about klintoon, hitlery and reno
after the 2000 election?

Remember all who said Ashcroft would prosecute them.

Remember Chinagate, Pardongate, Waco, Vince Foster, the Jewish town in NY etc., etc., etc. ?

Well reno ran against Jeb Bush and hitlery wants to beat Hanoi Kerry in 08

Are YOU willing to listen to the CINO's again?

[advance_copy]

Moreover, and most importantly, if when there is a vacancy in the US Supreme Court, President Bush can appoint any of these three judges to the SCOTUS and no one can filibuster them.

The RATS will filibuster them in blatant pure unadulterated hypocrisy and do it with a smile on their face. McCain and his pack of RINOs will back them up on it too. Anybody who doesn't understand that is gullible.

[TFine80]

I don't care about the judges... It's the principle and the fact the GOP have no guts.

[CyberAnt]

I'm trying .. but I don't see the victory yet .. anymore details you can give me which will help my angry mood.

I thought it was ALL OR NOTHING - and yet the dems demanded and got rid of 2 of the judges Bush wanted - why is this a victory ..?? Help me - I'm about to break my TV .. LOL!!

[sarasotarepublican]

You actually believe this crap!

What part do you disagree with?

[SevenMinusOne]

Dead on right! - Way too many Freepers on here need to understand reality - They can't see we won tonight! (in the long run).

We get all but two of judges confirmed. Business of the Senate moves on (Soc Sec Reform)...and when the DEM's try and filibuster a Supreme Court Nominee...the "middle" Public will be completely aware that the DEM's just said they wouldn't do this.

We win on this issue and if the the DEM's do filibuster down the road....we can simply go right back to using the Nuclear option on them!

We won tonight -

[alwaysrepublican]

Can you refute what I argued in my vanity post?

[jpsb]

What does the kool-aid taste like?

[cynicom]

You smokin some of that good stuff, huh????

[oceanview]

give us a glass of whatever you are drinking so we can feel giddy too.

[NCSteve]

You pubbie lemmings are priceless.

Our constitution and our republic was just gang-raped by 14 Democrats and RINOs and you are declaring victory. This Republican Congress has piddled away a majority and a mandate and relegated themselves to historical irrelevance and you are here shouting huzzah! We won!

Optimism is one thing, but good grief!

[sirthomasthemore]

Both side played their bases like drums for the last week, knowing all along a compromise was in the works.

Its insulting, its disgusting, its the Senate.

[Slump Tester]

So you think THIS was better than breaking it off in the rat's asses, and getting an up or down vote on ALL the nominees?

Yeah, we won big time tonight.

[Evolution]

When those Judges get confirmed I will say we won, until then the GOP caved in and the Dems can filibuster all they want in "extraordinary circumstances" aka anytime they want aka ALL THE TIME!

[11th_VA]

I think once Owens takes the oath, it will start to sink in, Bush won; but if the stinkin' RINOs don't confirm her, I'm gonna be pissed ...

[clamper1797]

Yeah ... we have them ... right where they want us

[dinok]

This was Munich 1938 by the Pottomac. Including Warner waving the paper of the surrender.

I'll be working for whomever is running against Dewine in Ohio. Traitor...

[Samurai_Jack]

I know I'll take some heat for this, and I am disappointed that mccain compromised himself. But I tend to agree that this can work both ways. Bush can nominate any of these three for USSC and if the demoRATS filibuster then THAT would be a breach of the 'extraordinary circumstance' clause. It was made perfectly clear that the nuclear option is not off the table if the extraordinary circumstance clause is violated. The only question is whether mccain will compromise himself yet again.

[RobFromGa]

Here's what this "Moderate" agreement says: We'll stop using the filibuster to block judges and go back to the previous 214 year tradition and you won't change the Rules to formalize the tradition.

The result is the same in practice as if we had formalized the Rules change to make the tradition crystal-clear. We still will not see filibusters of judicial nominees going forward except maybe a very rare case. If the moderate Democrats go right back to stonewalling judicial nominees using filbusters, these seven Democrats will be the ones who breached the agreement first.

This is not a big deal. I have predicted for months that the Democrats would allow votes if they thought they would lose the "nuke" vote. They will not be filibustering any more. (If they break their promise, the nuke option happens still).

[Charles H. (The_r0nin)]

Bull! Name one thing that the Republicans gained from this that they don't already have! Then do the same for the Dems. That will clearly show the Dems have won.

What did the Republicans gain? Nothing. With no deal they would have broken the filibuster and gotten a vote on all 7 nominees. Frist had the votes (you could tell by the way the Dems were acting). Now those RINOs who didn't want to face the hard choice of voting with their party (and angering their "friends" across the aisle) or of backstabbing their party (and facing the consequences) get an easy way out. And nothing has been resolved for USSC nominees.

What did the Dems gain? They would have lost on all seven nominees... now they only lose on 3 and they are guaranteed not to have anyone break a filibuster of the other 4. Plus, they still get to use the filibuster against USSC nominees! They'll complain that the USSC picks are "extreme," and the media will carry their water for them.

Sorry, but you are wrong. The Dems won this one, hands down...

[flashbunny]

Now bend over and say "thank you sir may I have another".

Sheesh. The republican party: Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory for nearly 100 years!

[TFine80]

Why do you think Reid and Schumer are much happier about this than Frist?

[So Cal Rocket]

Read these two sections carefully... they are key... the first paragraph is what the Dems "committed" to, the second is what the GOP committed to:

A. Future Nominations. Signatories will exercise their responsibilities under the Advice and Consent Clause of the United States Constitution in good faith. Nominees should only be filibustered under extraordinary circumstances, and each signatory must use his or her own discretion and judgment in determining whether such circumstances exist.

B. Rules Changes. In light of the spirit and continuing commitments made in this agreement, we commit to oppose the rules changes in the 109th Congress, which we understand to be any amendment to or interpretation of the Rules of the Senate that would force a vote on a judicial nomination by means other than unanimous consent or Rule XXII.

[Dane]

What does the kool-aid taste like?

Much better than the frothey mouth spit, you are always drinking.

[LS]

I think you are right. Sun Tzu said, "Build your enemies a golden bridge, that takes them in the direction you want them to go. Do not force them to fight to the death."

Smart man, Sun Tzu.

[Samurai_Jack]

If they break their promise, the nuke option happens still

PRECISELY

[aquila48]

I was watching the senate speeches after the compromise was announced.

All the democrats were very happy with the compromise, most of the republicans were not.

Tell me again who won?

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

John Kerry was dishonorably dismissed from the Navy:
(statement from lawyers there at the time)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1406760/posts

Whoever in the US Senate that gave Hanoi Kerry
a Top Secret Clearance HAS seen all his military records.

The FBI, since 9/11, does non military clearances.

His most recent one who have been in the spring/summer of '04
when he won the dims's nomination against President Bush.

NO ONE gets a Top Secret Clearance WITHOUT agreeing to have all your records released.

OR pass a FULL FBI check when someone
runs for the highest elected
office in th ecountry.

Does the DC crowd think "We the People" are stupid?

Uphold the US Constituion!

Too bad the "Move On" FReepers just don't understand
the real threat that the likes of Hanoi Kerry pose to our country.

I just don't understand their reasoning in saying
"drop it", "your wasting your time", "give it up" etc.

Some even howl when I remind them the job is NOT done.

Kerry Outs Undercover Intelligence Agent in Bolton Hearing
C-SPAN 04/11/2005
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1381586/posts

"Kerry cites voter intimidation examples
CNN ^ | 4-10-05
BOSTON, Massachusetts (AP)
Many voters in last year's presidential election were denied access to the polls
through trickery and intimidation, former Democratic presidential candidate
John Kerry told a voters' group Sunday."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1381116/posts

Kerry E-Mail Concerning Judicial Nominees
April 1, 2005
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1375683/posts

Hanoi Kerry Veterans Group Calls on Congress
to Impeach George W. Bush and Richard Cheney
April 3, 2005
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1376873/posts

Well I have news for them.

I've been posting threads
on the Viet Nam anti war "crowd"
almost from day one on FR.

Wicked Witch of the West: Hanoi Jane Exposed in New Book
Hanoijane.net ^ | HENRY MARK HOLZER and ERIKA HOLZER,PhilDragoo

Posted on 10/30/2001 10:05:08 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/560260/posts

So why do they think I'll stop now?

Don't be like the Silent Majority in the 60's and 70's
Demand Kerry be ousted from the US Senate!

There is no need to impeach Hanoi Kerry from the US Senate

He is there illegally!

WAKEUP AMERICA!

For those who "forgot" what Hanoi Kerry
did in the past read on and learn the truth.

Hanoi Kerry was still a USNR officer while he:
gave false hearsay testimony to Congress
negotiated with the enemy
helped the US lose a war
abetted in the deaths of millions
created a hostile environment for all servicemen

Why is Kerry still in the US Senate?
This is in violation of
U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html

And the FBI has proof of his treason.

Hanoi Kerry Timeline of a traitor
includes FBI files

May 1970
Kerry and Julia traveled to Paris, France and met with Madame Nguyen Thi Binh, the Foreign Minister of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of Vietnam (PRG), the political wing of the Vietcong, and other Viet Cong and Communist Vietnamese representatives to the Paris peace talks, a trip he now calls a "fact-finding" mission.

(U.S. code 18 U.S.C. 953, declares it illegal for a U.S. citizen to go abroad and negotiate with a foreign power.)

http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html

a) A person charged with absence without leave or missing movement in time of war,
or with any offense punishable by death,
may be tried at any time without limitation.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm#*%20843.%20ART.%2043.%20STATUTE%20OF%20LIMITATIONS


Contact the GOP controlled US Senate!

Distribute these url's!

Links to Anti Kerry sites
212 LINKS
News reports,
Viper's Vietnam Veterans Page

http://members.aol.com/ga1449ga/links/links.html


EXPOSE HANOI KERRY!

MUST SEE WEBSITE!!!!

http://www.kerrystreason.com/index.html

Full details on these url's!

http://stophanoikerry.150m.com

There is a backup site
if the 1st url is unavailable.

http://tonkin.spymac.net/hanoikerry1.html

Did you see this...?
(The 'Kerry's Promise Counter')
http://polipundit.com/index.php?p=6628
Polipundit even tells you how to install it on your own page!

[NavVet]

Yeah, and how many times had they confirmed Bolton, before they tried to crucify him.

Sorry, there's no Polyanna in me at the moment.

[cincinnati65]

Not my take on it.....the "out" is the "extreme circumstances". All the Dems have to do is enact the fillibuster and the nominee that they utilize it on will (obviously) be labelled an ultra-extremist by the media, thus, killing the nomination.

We handed over a significant amount of power tonight--there can be no doubt about that.

[11th_VA]

It's just a stinkin' piece of paper - watch what happens on the ground. 7 nominees are stalled, tomorrow it will be 6, then 5 ... Do you see a pattern?

[alwaysrepublican]

The 2 judges that were put aside, Meyers and Saad were not as a big part of the brutal and savage Democrats attacks, as the case in Owens, Prior, and Rogers Brown. Remember that the Democrats made these 3 nominees as the worst judicial nominees ever, and that they will filibuster them for ever. Guess what, now they will not filibuster them. And the most important part is that these three judges can be nominees for SOCTUS and there is no way that the Democrats can stop them because in this case, the Republicans including at least 2 of the 7 who made the compromise will join to end the filibuster in case it occurs in the future.

[Samurai_Jack]

This 'agreement' can be broken just as easily as it was formed.

[GonzoGOP]

The part where the three judges that that will not be a deciding vote on their respective bench get approved.

The part who would be the deciding vote changing a liberal bench to a conservative bench did not get approved.

The part where we do not get to appoint any Supreme Court justice that is pro-life or a white male, because if we do the democrats will declare them to be extreme.

The part where Johnny McTraitor and his happy band of traitors can stab the Republican Party in the back once again and know that there will be no down side for him.

Those are just the ones I can thing of in 45 seconds.

[sinkspur]

You're right, of course, but the anally retentive here don't get it yet.

If Bush nominates Janice Rodgers Brown to the Supreme Court, the Dems won't be able to filibuster her.

[LS]

I, for one, told you that there would be no prosecution of Clinton because the public was solidly against it.

I, for one, told everyone who would listen that the 2002 election would not be close, and I called all but one senate race.

I, for one, told everyone who was panicking on election day that Ohio was in the bag, and that it wasn't even an issue. So my track record on this board is pretty damn good.

And I'm telling you now that we will get all our judges; the Dems got to "save face" but lost big time; and Bush has not even BEGUN to fire his guns yet.

Now, if you think there is some giant conspiracy of "demopublicans," well . . . .

[churchillbuff]

The local host on the Air America affiliate was fit to be tied about this "sell-out" by the Democrats. If the Left is angry, maybe it isn't as bad for the Republican side as some of us first thought!

[LS]

You don't care about principle. You care about appearances. Judges ARE the principle. I stand for winning on the judges. To hell with appearances.

[TexanToTheCore]

If W and Rove had any hand in this, the rats have indeed become trapped. Let's wait a bit until we see what happens.


W, Rove and Cheney are formidable opponents.

[catpuppy]

... Reid and Schumer are much happier about this than Frist

Exactly. Reid--who never smiles--was grinning. I believe that McCain torpedoed Frist in order to get an advantage going into the 2008 GOP Presidential primaries.

[LibFreeUSA]

"You actually believe this crap!"

-"What part do you disagree with?"

THE"...compromise..."PART!!!!

[eeriegeno]

We get all but two of judges confirmed.

And what about the other two???? Hmmmmm????

When the minority party gets to vote on judicial nominations, via a filibuster, before the full Senate gets to vote THAT IS WRONG! And it has never happened before in the history of this nation. And the pubbies did, in fact, cave if they agreed to this delay tactic.......

[alwaysrepublican]

Not at all. But I do not see as a crushing defeat to us as most here are trying to make it. In fact I still believe it is a big win as I briefly argued in my vanity post.

[NavVet]

Yeah right, they are all waiting to jump on the Social Security Reform bandwagon, Benedict Graham, probably could get them to support his extreme left wing Social Security Reform plan, but if you think any of the Dems are going to vote for any kind of meaningful SS reform, well, I'll have some of what you're drinking.

And I must have missed the part where the Dems said, "they wouldn't do this (again). They will do it with the 2-4 nominees that have been betrayed tonight, and they reserve the right to do it for any "extreme" nominees. Extreme = Conservative, in case you were wondering.

[Lazamataz]

"President Bush Won Big Tonight, the Democrats fell in the trap (Vanity Post)"

It won't work.

It's still a pig.

[perfect stranger]

You might want to give him a link to your vanity post if you want him to refute the content.

[Toskrin]

It's certainly a compromise, but a better deal for Republicans than Democrats. We might not have had the votes for the nuclear option. The Democrats will still look like obstructionists, and the nculear option is still on the table before Bush leaves office.

The goal is to get conservative judges on the bench. When you're more interested in winning pi&&ing contests, you've gone off track.