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Gary Bauer Calls Senate Judicial Deal a 'Sell Out'
US Newswire ^ | 5/23/05 | Kristi Hamrick

Posted on 05/23/2005 8:19:01 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

Former Presidential Candidate Gary Bauer issued the following statement late Monday as news of the "travesty" to justice deal on stalled judicial nominees was released.

The President of American Values said: "This is a sad day for our nation. The desire of millions of Americans to restore balance to our federal courts has been thwarted behind closed doors by 14 senators. Only three of President Bush's appointees are guaranteed an up or down vote under this sell out.

"Under this agreement it is now more likely that radical social change will continue to be forced on the American people by liberal courts committed to same sex marriage, abortion on demand and hostility to religious expression. The Republicans who lent their names to this travesty have undercut their President as well as millions of their most loyal voters. Shame on them all."


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1 posted on 05/23/2005 8:19:02 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

John McCain to the rescue...what a RINO. This was a sellout pure and simple. I am so fed up with these so called moderates of the Republican party!


2 posted on 05/23/2005 8:20:39 PM PDT by Cricket24 ("We have met the enemy and it's the U.S. press (and the democrats)!")
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Git a rope or git a ballot. We have to remove them somehow. Either way is just fine.


3 posted on 05/23/2005 8:22:19 PM PDT by rapture-me
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

A day ago I thought that we may actually be on our way to adding a few seats in the Senate, maybe even getting to the magical 60. But now that dream is dead. The rats will own the Senate within 6 years. (On the other hand, with these seven RINOs, they already DO own the Senate.)


4 posted on 05/23/2005 8:25:40 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

It's not a 100% victory, but now Owens, Pryor, and Brown will get their seats on the federal courts. The liberals are quite content with incremental victories; I don't think we should be so quick to discount them.


5 posted on 05/23/2005 8:26:05 PM PDT by hispanichoosier
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Gary Bauer. Anoter idiot.

Now we even have idiots calling idiots idiots.

6 posted on 05/23/2005 8:26:15 PM PDT by zarf
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To: rapture-me

Lindsey Graham..."We are all going to get together and sing "Kumbaaha"....

Social Security, Judges, tax cuts, this will transform Demorats into stand up gentlemen..."

Stupid #$$*# idiot!

Has he ever heard the phrase: "We've been Lucy'ed?"


7 posted on 05/23/2005 8:27:30 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
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To: zarf

Dear Gary Bauer,

Hey, didn't you support McCain in 2000?

How's that working out for you?

Regards,
watsonfellow


8 posted on 05/23/2005 8:28:03 PM PDT by watsonfellow
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
What did the Republicans get out of this deal that they couldn't have gotten by cutting off the filibuster?

The Democrats got to keep the filibuster for use later down the road. All one Democrat has to do is utter the words "extreme circumstances" and we're right back at square one.

Who were these 14 so called "centrists" that gave away the bride before the wedding? McCain had to be one of them.

Frist says he wasn't a part of the deal, but does anyone think he didn't know all the details? What are Frist's presidential chances now?
9 posted on 05/23/2005 8:28:15 PM PDT by Noachian (To Control the Judiciary The People Must First Control The Congress)
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To: zarf

Get in line.


10 posted on 05/23/2005 8:28:17 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: hispanichoosier

What happens with the judges not specifically mentioned in the agreement..


11 posted on 05/23/2005 8:28:48 PM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Gary who?


12 posted on 05/23/2005 8:29:34 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Bauer can just thank his pal that he supported in the 2000 Presidential primaries. Anyway, this is what Reid is saying, "We have sent President George Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and the radical right of the Republican party an undeniable message ... the abuse of power will not be tolerated."

Unbelievable. How much more in your face can this Democrat abusers of power get? I just love the "we" in that statement. Is that the message the Republican sellouts intended to send? We need them out of there.

13 posted on 05/23/2005 8:29:34 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: rapture-me

I'm afraid that the gang of 14 are beyond hope. We have to focus our attention on the republican leadership and tie contribution and votes to their ability to manage the renegade senators. There has to be a proce to pay for not towing the party line. Immediately all republican senators who betrayed Frist and the party should be taken off all committee assignments, their offices should be moved to the basement janitor closet of the furthest building from the Capitol and there should be absolutly no party money for their elections and pet projects. The party should immediately identify and groom the primary candidate to run against them with full party backing.


14 posted on 05/23/2005 8:31:19 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: ken5050

Saad and Myers are in limbo, unfortunately.


15 posted on 05/23/2005 8:31:42 PM PDT by hispanichoosier
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To: Cricket24
John McCain to the rescue...what a RINO.

I'm reminded of all the fawning over this RINO SOB right here on FR during his speech at the GOP convention last summer, with some Freepers all caught up in the emotion of the moment going so far as to say that they'll never criticize him again.

I knew better.

16 posted on 05/23/2005 8:32:48 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Mathew


21
Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt
not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the
judgment:
22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother
without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and
whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of
the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in
danger of hell fire.
23
Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there
rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
24
Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be
reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
25
Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way
with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the
judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be
cast into prison.


17 posted on 05/23/2005 8:33:26 PM PDT by TeatimeTim
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Lindsey Graham is the love child of Gary Bauer and Dennis Kucinish.


18 posted on 05/23/2005 8:34:02 PM PDT by Darkwolf (aka Darkwolf377 lurker since'01, member since 4/'04--stop clogging me with pings!)
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To: ken5050


I hope POTUS recess appoints both Myers and Saad.


19 posted on 05/23/2005 8:35:36 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Major sellout...but I wish Gary Bauer wasn't trying to be our spokesman. His heart may be in the right place, but he sometimes reminds me of Howard Dean and Ralph Nader. He's just too goofy.


20 posted on 05/23/2005 8:35:45 PM PDT by George Stupidnopolis
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To: Noachian

More to the point regarding Frist, doesn't this show how totally ineffectual he is as a leader?


21 posted on 05/23/2005 8:36:20 PM PDT by Keyes2000mt (http://adamsweb.us/blog Conservative Truth for Idaho)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

He should take a breath and reread it--Here's what a DU poster said (and except for the remarks about the Reps) he hit the nail on the head:

[quote]
We gave them essentially 5 judges for free.

Some people think this compromise is a setback for the Repugs.

That's bullshit. Using the nuclear option carried risks.

1. Risk that the public would rightly see it as a fascist abuse of power and rightly condemn the repubs at the ballot box.

2. that the dems would shut down the senate in protest

3. that the option would be tried, but FAIL (the objection to Cheney's unilateral rewrite of the rules would be upheld by majority vote), subjecting the repugs to the political risk of trying it, without the reward.


With the deal, they got 5 of their judges, without needing to use the nuclear option. they only needed to THREATEN to use it. With the deal, they retained the right to invoke it if the Democrats filibustered again (except for extraordinary circumstances, which will never be acknowledged by the republicans).

Its not like the nuclear option is gone for good, only delayed until the next time Democrats want to filibuster.

the repugs will claim democrats are breaking the agreement, and will have POLITICAL COVER to bring back the nuclear option.[/quote]


Take a Deeeeeeep breath.




22 posted on 05/23/2005 8:37:13 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

"Tonight the Senate has worked its will on behalf of reason, and behalf of responsibility. We have sent President George Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, and the radical arm of the Republican base an undeniable message: abuse of power will not be tolerated--will not be tolerated by Democrats or Republicans. And your attempt, I say to the Vice President and to the President, to trample the Constitution and grab absolute control is over."

--Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-NV


23 posted on 05/23/2005 8:37:20 PM PDT by Bogey78O (*tagline removed per request*)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"Under this agreement it is now more likely that radical social change will continue to be forced on the American people by liberal courts committed to same sex marriage, abortion on demand and hostility to religious expression. The Republicans who lent their names to this travesty have undercut their President as well as millions of their most loyal voters. Shame on them all."

With every American value and right stripped away remember these unprincipled power mongering fools made it possible.

24 posted on 05/23/2005 8:38:25 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Keyes2000mt
More to the point regarding Frist, doesn't this show how totally ineffectual he is as a leader?

Not really. The Senate is a totally different creature than is the House. Senate leadership is a lot less powerful.
25 posted on 05/23/2005 8:38:25 PM PDT by hispanichoosier
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To: ken5050

They're screwed.

A few Republicans rather than try and give a vote to them, even though they may not have made it, decided to just turn them over in exchange for good press reviews.


26 posted on 05/23/2005 8:39:06 PM PDT by Bogey78O (*tagline removed per request*)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
All of the 14 senators have done something that Gary Bauer has never done: They got elected to something.

Let's all just settle down a little and allow the electorate to continue to sort this all out.

Surley there must be a good conservative in South Carolina that can send Graham a message next primary season.

I also think the aggreement is subject to vote by the Senate, and I look for some powerful debate and a wave of public pressure on the RINOS like they have never seen before.

I think the next week or so could be fun to watch.

27 posted on 05/23/2005 8:39:14 PM PDT by lawnguy (But we both know I'm training to be a cage fighter.)
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To: Keyes2000mt

Evil is always delt with by God, and Frist is all that.


28 posted on 05/23/2005 8:39:59 PM PDT by TeatimeTim
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To: hispanichoosier

It's not an incremental victory to get a vote on SOME judicial nominees. It's a loss of presidential power. The president needs to react.


29 posted on 05/23/2005 8:40:01 PM PDT by Defiant (Saddam in his underwear: Much ado about nothing.)
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To: Noachian
What did the Republicans get out of this deal that they couldn't have gotten by cutting off the filibuster?

Explanations so far fall well short of being . . . explanations.  Democrats seem to be the only real winners in this.

Who were these 14 so called "centrists" that gave away the bride before the wedding? McCain had to be one of them.

We should start a list.  Check it twice.  We'll know whose been naughty and whose been nice.

Just published online from the New York Times.  Seems like Boxer et al are the only real winners.  Repubs just postponed the fight.

Some conservative activists who had pushed for the Senate to ban the filibuster entirely said they had been betrayed by Republican moderates.

"Once again, moderate Republicans have taken the victory and thrown it overboard," said Paul Weyrich, a veteran conservative organizer, who predicted that conservatives voters would punish the party.

Mr. McCain said he expected that interest groups on both the left and right would be furious at the compromise.

"Think of all the money they are going to lose," he said, ducking into a car to head to the premiere of a film about his life, referring to the fund-raising operations that had sprung up around the judicial battle.

After thanking Mr. McCain on the Capitol steps for the "wonderful" deal, Senator Barbara Boxer, Democrat of California, acknowledged that Democrats had cleared the way for possible confirmation of three judges many in the party opposed. But Ms. Boxer said others had been held off, and she described the agreement as a "big victory" for Democrats.

Democratic officials said an unwritten aspect of the pact is that two nominees not named in the deal - Brett Kavanaugh and William J. Haynes - would not be confirmed and would be turned aside either at the committee level or on the floor.


30 posted on 05/23/2005 8:40:34 PM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: hispanichoosier
The liberals are quite content with incremental victories; I don't think we should be so quick to discount them.

Well said. Nothing really has changed beyond the fact that the Dems have avoided being clobbered for stonewalling three superbly qualified candidates - a victory for them - and the Pubbies have managed to get them past the stonewall, a victory for them. The rest is still very much in play under essentially the same rules. Anyone who thinks this settles anything isn't paying attention.

31 posted on 05/23/2005 8:40:37 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Cricket24

John McCain to the rescue...what a RINO. This was a sellout pure and simple. I am so fed up with these so called moderates of the Republican party!

john mccain, you are a traitor to this Nation, we hate the likes of you, you need to grow up, you are either for us or against us!


32 posted on 05/23/2005 8:41:27 PM PDT by Ethyl
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To: Defiant
It's not an incremental victory to get a vote on SOME judicial nominees.

Sure it is. Of the 5 nominees that we really care about, 0 got approved before the deal. Now, 3 nominees will get their up/down votes. Last I checked, 3 out of 5 is not a bad batting average, especially in politics.
33 posted on 05/23/2005 8:41:53 PM PDT by hispanichoosier
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To: Keyes2000mt

frist could show himself as a leader by ignoring the "compromise" and pushing the three agreed upon nominees through first... and then bringing the other two up for vote anyways.

i know, in my dreams


34 posted on 05/23/2005 8:42:17 PM PDT by kpp_kpp
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Matthew 7

1
Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with
what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye,
but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4
Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote
out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye;
and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy
brother's eye.


35 posted on 05/23/2005 8:42:37 PM PDT by TeatimeTim
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection; cyborg

36 posted on 05/23/2005 8:43:16 PM PDT by Petronski (A champion of dance, my moves will put you in a trance, and I never leave the disco alone.)
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To: Racehorse

Oh, please---The Reps got their candidates a vote; the Dems set a standard for "exceptional cirsumstances" which wipes out their litmus test; the Reps have the nuclear option and a good justification for using it if the Dems renege.

Frist is not the boss of the compromising Reps, the voters who elected them are.


37 posted on 05/23/2005 8:43:29 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: the Real fifi
Take a Deeeeeeep breath.

OK, I just got that breath. Now, let me think. Who supports this deal? McCain, Chafee, the usual suspects. Did conservatives cook up this deal? I don't think so. So, what does that tell you?

The Rats are drinking beer and laughing tonight.

38 posted on 05/23/2005 8:43:46 PM PDT by Defiant (Saddam in his underwear: Much ado about nothing.)
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To: Natural Law

No. There should be no party money because there WILL be no party money. I will NEVER AGAIN give a cent to the RNC, only to see that these seven dwarfs are defeated. If the money from the base starts drying up, there's a better chance that some retaliation will be taken against those that led to defection of the base.


39 posted on 05/23/2005 8:44:27 PM PDT by Postman
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To: onyx

I will be very curious to see what we got in this deal. My take on this deal after thinking about it is:

1.If we got 3 out of 10 judges, it is a bad deal. If we end up with 6 or 7 of the 10 it will could be an ok deal. The six or seven would be Owens, Johnson, Prior, McKeague, Griffen, Estada and maybe another. Five is the minimum that had better get through. If I were Bush, I would reappoint all of them since the Dims have promised not to filibuster any new appointments.

2. If there is no filibuster of Bush Supreme Court nominees or any other appeals court nominees for the rest of the 109th Congress it is potentially a decent deal.

3. If the GOP filibusters the next Ruth Ginsburg type nominee of a Dim president and AS THEY HAVE NOW IMPLICITLY PROMISE TO DO McCain, Snowe, Dewine, Collins, Warner, L. Graham etc IF THEY ARE AROUND STILL SUPPORT SUCH A FILIBUSTER, then this is potentially a good deal. I hope McCain, etal understand that they have IMPLICITLY PROMISED to back a filibuster of any radical Dim nominess by signing on to this compromise.

If we get these three things, then the deal is not such a bad deal. But the GOP is now required to filibuster the next radical Dim appointee whether that is in 2009 or 2013 or whenever and the signatories of this agreement NEED TO BE MADE TO UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE PROMISED US TO SUPPORT SUCH A FILIBUSTER.


40 posted on 05/23/2005 8:45:40 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Defiant

Sleep on it--I think it is better than you think.


41 posted on 05/23/2005 8:46:07 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: JLS


Here's my take:


Extraordinary circumstances = pro life; pro gun ownership

extreme = a trail (however short) of conservative judicial opinions;

Acceptable attributes: pro abortion; gay rights and anti 2nd Amendment



42 posted on 05/23/2005 8:49:18 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: JLS

"1.If we got 3 out of 10 judges, it is a bad deal. If we end up with 6 or 7 of the 10 it will could be an ok deal."

We got at least 6. Reid was quoted as predicting that the 3 Michigan nominees to the sixth circuit would be easily approved. They've been stalled for years now by the blue slip exercised by Michigan's senators, so it's clear that these 3 Michigan nominees were an unspoken part of the deal.

So the 6th circuit court of appeals just became a strongly conservative court overnight.


43 posted on 05/23/2005 8:49:18 PM PDT by Altair333
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To: Postman

No doubt about it. The RNC has received the last penny from me until they can demonstrate that party means something. I am holding the leadership to blame. Has anyone heard a single word from Mitch McConnell the Majority "Whip"? Somebody needs to whip his a$$ in the steps of the capitol building as an example.


44 posted on 05/23/2005 8:50:24 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: lawnguy

keep in mind I am a liberal. You folks won on the filibuster. Not only do you have four judges in, but have the right to bring up the filibuster issue again.

Personally, I could care less about if they get rid of the filibuster itself, than I do about the dems selling
out by just passing on Priscilla Owen, Janice Rogers Brown, and William Pryor. Not even fighting for principle, win or lose says everything about the dems

you should celebrate, most of the liberals are not very happy by this deal


45 posted on 05/23/2005 8:50:49 PM PDT by all_views
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To: the Real fifi
Oh, please---

ROFLMO

You need to reflect on this just a wee bit more.

The Reps got their candidates a vote; the Dems set a standard for "exceptional cirsumstances" which wipes out their litmus test; the Reps have the nuclear option and a good justification for using it if the Dems renege

The Repubs got a few of their candidates an up or down vote . . . maybe.  Others are left twisting in the wind..  Wait till the spinners spin just what constitutes exceptional circumstances.

Exceptional circumstances?  What is this standard you're talking about?

46 posted on 05/23/2005 8:51:21 PM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: the Real fifi
Thanks for posting the reactions on DU. Here's another:

This agreement is about a bunch of of senators wanting to avoid a showdown.

We can filibuster later; but if we do, they can go nuclear later.

Nothing has changed, except that they got their judges, and for now, the sky hasn't totally fallen in on us.

I'm angry, because I believe if it had come to a showdown, Frist would have lost OUTRIGHT.

47 posted on 05/23/2005 8:51:49 PM PDT by hispanichoosier
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To: Altair333

I should say the 3 Michigan nominees other than Saad- he's a loser in this deal, but if Bush moves quickly he can get another conservative nominee to take his place in short order.

We need to move FAST- and any conservative judges who have been thinking of retiring need to do so now so we can nominate their replacements and get them confirmed.

This will prove to be a pretty good deal if Bush plays his cards right.


48 posted on 05/23/2005 8:52:00 PM PDT by Altair333
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To: JLS


Furthermore, Lindsay said tonight to Chris Matthews, that the cabal of 14 will get together whenever Bush submits a nominee... so that "they" can decide for the other 86.

Now, THAT'S a power grab, and now, what damn use is the Senate's Judiciary Committee?


49 posted on 05/23/2005 8:52:36 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: Natural Law

funny, I feel the same way about the DNC, for exactly the same reasons


50 posted on 05/23/2005 8:52:42 PM PDT by all_views
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