Skip to comments.What the ‘Average Joe’ Can Do About Porn…and Why - (caution; for adult readers only)
Posted on 05/24/2005 1:42:28 PM PDT by CHARLITE
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if your moral code leads you to live ethically, good.
if your moral code leads you to embrace illogic, that's your business.
if your moral code compels you to try irrational arguments with me, that's your problem.
I will belittle illogic -not morality- when I come across it.
I will belittle one enthralled to illogical arguments when, after repeated illustration and explanation of the fallacies to which he has fallen, he persists in illogic.
Sorry. I had a publik ejukashun.
Does it matter which Holy Book it comes from? They are more similar than you realize. Christianity is not the only religion calling for chastity, purity, self control.
Forgiveness, humility, straightforwardness, purity, truthfulness, self-restraint, austerity, renunciation,
non-attachment and chastity [with one's spouse] are the ten duties [of lay people].
(Jainism. Tatthvarthasutra 9.6)
Not killing, no longer stealing, forsaking the wives of others, refraining completely from false, divisive, harsh
and senseless speech, forsaking covetousness, harmful intent and the views of Nihilists--these are the ten white paths of action, their opposites are black.
(Buddhism. Nagarjuna, Precious Garland 8-9)
As for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolators, and
all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.
(Christianity. Bible, Revelation 21.8)
There is a stream of fire from which emerge poisonous flames. There is none else there except the self.
The waves of the ocean of fire are aflame. And the sinners are burning in them.
(Sikhism. Adi Granth, Maru Solahe, M.1, p. 1026)
Men who have not led a religious life and have not laid up treasure in their youth, perish like old herons in
a lake without fish. Men who have not lived a religious life and have not laid up treasure in their youth lie
like worn-out bows, sighing after the past.
(Buddhism. Dhammapada 155-56)
Then do I proclaim what the Most Beneficent spoke to me,
The Words to be heeded, which are best for mortals:
Those who shall give hearing and reverence
Shall attain unto Perfection and Immortality
By the deeds of good spirit of the Lord of Wisdom!
(Zoroastrianism. Avesta, Yasna 45.5)
Those who live in accordance with the divine laws without complaining, firmly established in faith, are
released from karma. Those who violate these laws, criticizing and complaining, are utterly deluded, and
are the cause of their own suffering.
(Hinduism. Bhagavad Gita 3.31-32)
Contentment, forgiveness, self-control, not appropriating anything unrighteously, purification, coercion of the organs, wisdom, knowledge of the Supreme, truthfulness, and abstention from anger: these constitute the tenfold law [for ascetics].
(Hinduism. Laws of Manu 6.92)
The charge to avoid the taking of life.
The charge to avoid taking what is not given.
The charge to avoid unchastity.
The charge to avoid falsehood.
The charge to avoid fermented liquor, distilled liquor, intoxicants giving rise to sloth.
The charge to avoid unseasonable meals.
The charge to avoid dancing, song, playing music, and seeing shows.
The charge to avoid the use of flowers, scents, and unguents, wearing ornaments and decorations.
The charge to avoid the use of raised beds, of wide beds.
The charge to avoid the accepting of gold and silver.
(Buddhism. Khuddaka Patha: The Ten Charges)
I realize that I'm coming in very late to this extended thread. However, I'd like to say very simply that I was never in agreement with the "women's liberation" movement. I thought, from the moment that it began with Betty Friedan, back in the 1960's, that if such arguments ever gained acceptance (which they certainly did), it would do tremendous damage to natural, wholesome relationships (even friendships of a platonic nature) between men and women.
I was right.
This movement grew into a frankenstein. As a perfectly normal woman, mother of 3 sons and 2 daughters, I deeply resent the so-called "women's liberation movement," and I have no respect for its past or current proponents.
I will never forget the sexual harassment suit which was brought against a regular "Joe" about ten or more years ago, on the silly, concocted grounds that he had referred to some mildly sexually explicit episode on the previous night's TV series, to a female co-worker......literally while they were at the office water cooler!
The "offended" female who called this "sexual harassment" was in the same league as the atrocious, infamous Anita Hill, who made up a story about Clarence Thomas about "sexual harassment," with some insignificant quip allegedly made by Judge Thomas about a pubic hair on a Coke can! How absurd that this should have thrown the women's lib movement into paroxysms of rage! It shows how hypocritical and shallow they are!
I don't know what the outcome of that suit was, but it surely illustrated how ridiculous this invented social theme is, for denigrating men in general.
What these leftist liberal females have done is to create a type of psychological Taliban in American society, where girls are being brought up by mothers, to disrepect, degrade and denigrate men, and I am appalled at it.
Not at all. My point is that there are people who are totally obsessed with religion and refuse to even consider that they are not totally 100% correct. Someone throwing verses from the bible at me as support for their argument is childish.
I believe religion is a good foundation and framework, but taken to the extreme it is harmful and dangerous. I.E. Taliban, Koresh, Etc Etc.
I was brought up Catholic, but quickly realized that much of what is taught is simple crap. No one can convince me that Jesus Christ intended a Catholic Church even remotely close to what evolved after his death. Some things that people truly believe in the name of religion are simply idiotic.
Having studied about many religions, I have come to my own conclusions. Bruce Lee said of different martial arts - "Absorb what is useful, ingore what is useless." That is my belief.
THANK YOU FOR A GREAT POST.
be well jack.
And you, old friend.
I am an advoate of self control. But self control does not mean total repression and stupidity like some advocate on this board.
Balance is what is key.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc
You are welcome. It seems to have generated a very lively debate on a most important subject. I very much appreciate your acknowledgment of my efforts.
Char :)........and I repeat. I have nothing but contempt for the "women's liberation movement!" It is comprised of self-loathing female SOWS!....and that's my "final answer!"
That is very true. Don't stand on one leg and play with yourself. You're liable to hurt yourself. ;)
um, ah, huh?
I was a personal trainer for 6 years. I set people up on diets and programs. I told people to eat whatever heck they wanted, just in balance and small portions.
Although people want a perfect diet or a perfect program, reality and common sense dictates that it is usually impossible to maintain perfection, which leads to failure. Long term success depends on doing little things right, over and over. for an extended period of time.
Anyone who claims purity in anything is usually full of garbage, whether it be morally or whatever.
yes: the "womyn's lib MOVEMENT" is nothing but destructive folly.
otoh - true meritocracy is always just.
It has seemed thus to my eye as well.
Similar to perfection? Doing something correctly, over and over for an extended period of time.
Doing something correctly does not mean perfectly. The two are not the same. For example:
Someone who drinks two cans of regular soda a day will put on about 20 extra pounds of fat.
Someone who decides to lose weight and substitute the soda with water or sugarless tea or something, over time, will lose a lot of fat. It does not happen overnight, but that little step, nothing draconian or perfect, leads to long term results. However, if I advocated the person run 10 miles a day, eat wheatgrass all day, and starve himself, I would set the person up for a disaster, not weight loss.
remind me not to earn your contempt!
I second that.
Again. Morality, your view of right and wrong is going to dictate your logic.
Hitler thought what he was doing was logical.
Our Arguements aren't irrational, it's just on a different level.
I am indifferent to the basis of your arguments.
If that basis leads you to conclude that 1 + 1 does NOT = 2, your arguments are ILLOGICAL, not "moral"
Show me where my arguements are illogical. You accuse me of being illogical, show me the logic in that statement.
I believe in absolutes. Truth is truth, it applies to all people, to all things in all places. You cannot distort the truth, it will no longer be truth.
Truth is in the standards that God gave us. a logical statement 1+1=2 = True, which equals truth. therefore it is logical, moraly it is right.
Porn is wrong. it is illogical for the Christian to devulge in it and still want to be called a Christian. It is an immoral act
No sir, you may be indifferent to the basis of my statements. But my base is in the believe in God and the Bible. I am not a thumper, nor do I force conversions, but I am strong in my faith and belief.
"I believe in absolutes"
all or nothing.
Right and Wrong...
this is getting nowhere.
what evidence, within human capacity to provide, would suffice to earn your admission to having made a factually erroneous all-or-nothing statement as the basis for one of your varied arguments?
more to the point: "believing in absolutes is not "all or nothing"
incorrect. It is binary morality. Zeros and Ones. or, as you put it: Right and Wrong, Truth or Lies.
That's strict binary. That's the very essence of all or nothing.
Nothing intrinsically wrong with it... unless it is factually erroneous (eg: neglects to notice the very real existence of values between 0 and 1)... which your noises concerning abstainance vs. addiction (ignoring moderation)certainly does.
With out absolutes, we wouldn't die, we would...uh just go zombie like...need more proof? with out absolutes, 1+1 =11 , I mean what proof do you need? If 1+1 didn't equal 2, an absolute, would you take the whole equation or not? " All or Nothing"
We know what is right, but most refuse to do it...
That's the problem.
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I don't follow Foxman blindly, nor do I follow Lapin either.
It's hard for you to support Israel? Why? It's only easy when Jews are cheering you on or telling you how they couldn't make it without you? Then don't support. Maybe Israelis should stop protecting Christians over there.
Of course he was a liar; but why lie about what motivated him? Dobson could do nothing to save Bundy, and Bundy knew it. You either haven't read/seen the actual interview or at least don't remember it, because his description of how violent pornography motivated him rang true.
Not only do I remember the interview, I remember it very well. One of the dead give-a-ways in the interview is Bundy's repeated pretenses of remorse, regret, and guilt. Bundy was a sociopath, he felt none of those things he portrayed to Dobson. He was incapable for feeling those things. He was however clever enough to present the facade of the remorseful killer, who can't even talk about the murder of a 12 year old girl, because it's just too painful for him to talk about. Give me a break. He was feeding Dobson a steady diet throughout the entire interview.
'em are breasteses!
I missed the frey!