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What the ‘Average Joe’ Can Do About Porn…and Why - (caution; for adult readers only)
CONCERNED WOMEN FOR AMERICA.ORG ^ | MAY 24, 2005 | SARA BRODE

Posted on 05/24/2005 1:42:28 PM PDT by CHARLITE

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To: Zavien Doombringer

if your moral code leads you to live ethically, good.
if your moral code leads you to embrace illogic, that's your business.
if your moral code compels you to try irrational arguments with me, that's your problem.
I will belittle illogic -not morality- when I come across it.
I will belittle one enthralled to illogical arguments when, after repeated illustration and explanation of the fallacies to which he has fallen, he persists in illogic.


651 posted on 05/25/2005 2:11:59 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: steve-b

Sorry. I had a publik ejukashun.


652 posted on 05/25/2005 2:15:36 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: chris1

Does it matter which Holy Book it comes from? They are more similar than you realize. Christianity is not the only religion calling for chastity, purity, self control.

Forgiveness, humility, straightforwardness, purity, truthfulness, self-restraint, austerity, renunciation,
non-attachment and chastity [with one's spouse] are the ten duties [of lay people].
(Jainism. Tatthvarthasutra 9.6)

Not killing, no longer stealing, forsaking the wives of others, refraining completely from false, divisive, harsh
and senseless speech, forsaking covetousness, harmful intent and the views of Nihilists--these are the ten white paths of action, their opposites are black.
(Buddhism. Nagarjuna, Precious Garland 8-9)

As for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolators, and
all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.
(Christianity. Bible, Revelation 21.8)

There is a stream of fire from which emerge poisonous flames. There is none else there except the self.
The waves of the ocean of fire are aflame. And the sinners are burning in them.
(Sikhism. Adi Granth, Maru Solahe, M.1, p. 1026)

Men who have not led a religious life and have not laid up treasure in their youth, perish like old herons in
a lake without fish. Men who have not lived a religious life and have not laid up treasure in their youth lie
like worn-out bows, sighing after the past.
(Buddhism. Dhammapada 155-56)

Then do I proclaim what the Most Beneficent spoke to me,
The Words to be heeded, which are best for mortals:
Those who shall give hearing and reverence
Shall attain unto Perfection and Immortality
By the deeds of good spirit of the Lord of Wisdom!
(Zoroastrianism. Avesta, Yasna 45.5)

Those who live in accordance with the divine laws without complaining, firmly established in faith, are
released from karma. Those who violate these laws, criticizing and complaining, are utterly deluded, and
are the cause of their own suffering.
(Hinduism. Bhagavad Gita 3.31-32)

Contentment, forgiveness, self-control, not appropriating anything unrighteously, purification, coercion of the organs, wisdom, knowledge of the Supreme, truthfulness, and abstention from anger: these constitute the tenfold law [for ascetics].
(Hinduism. Laws of Manu 6.92)

The charge to avoid the taking of life.
The charge to avoid taking what is not given.
The charge to avoid unchastity.
The charge to avoid falsehood.
The charge to avoid fermented liquor, distilled liquor, intoxicants giving rise to sloth.
The charge to avoid unseasonable meals.
The charge to avoid dancing, song, playing music, and seeing shows.
The charge to avoid the use of flowers, scents, and unguents, wearing ornaments and decorations.
The charge to avoid the use of raised beds, of wide beds.
The charge to avoid the accepting of gold and silver.
(Buddhism. Khuddaka Patha: The Ten Charges)


653 posted on 05/25/2005 2:30:07 PM PDT by Netizen (Back from a 1-3 day suspension, for pointing out to a mod their unfair suspension of another poster.)
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To: LogicalMs; King Prout
"So my friends tell me. But, also, relationships between the sexes were crippled by the Women's movement."

I realize that I'm coming in very late to this extended thread. However, I'd like to say very simply that I was never in agreement with the "women's liberation" movement. I thought, from the moment that it began with Betty Friedan, back in the 1960's, that if such arguments ever gained acceptance (which they certainly did), it would do tremendous damage to natural, wholesome relationships (even friendships of a platonic nature) between men and women.

I was right.

This movement grew into a frankenstein. As a perfectly normal woman, mother of 3 sons and 2 daughters, I deeply resent the so-called "women's liberation movement," and I have no respect for its past or current proponents.

I will never forget the sexual harassment suit which was brought against a regular "Joe" about ten or more years ago, on the silly, concocted grounds that he had referred to some mildly sexually explicit episode on the previous night's TV series, to a female co-worker......literally while they were at the office water cooler!

The "offended" female who called this "sexual harassment" was in the same league as the atrocious, infamous Anita Hill, who made up a story about Clarence Thomas about "sexual harassment," with some insignificant quip allegedly made by Judge Thomas about a pubic hair on a Coke can! How absurd that this should have thrown the women's lib movement into paroxysms of rage! It shows how hypocritical and shallow they are!

I don't know what the outcome of that suit was, but it surely illustrated how ridiculous this invented social theme is, for denigrating men in general.

What these leftist liberal females have done is to create a type of psychological Taliban in American society, where girls are being brought up by mothers, to disrepect, degrade and denigrate men, and I am appalled at it.

Char

654 posted on 05/25/2005 2:49:28 PM PDT by CHARLITE (Ward Churchill should pack his bags and go join a tribe in Darfur, SUDAN, with KOFI ANNAN........!!)
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To: Netizen

Not at all. My point is that there are people who are totally obsessed with religion and refuse to even consider that they are not totally 100% correct. Someone throwing verses from the bible at me as support for their argument is childish.

I believe religion is a good foundation and framework, but taken to the extreme it is harmful and dangerous. I.E. Taliban, Koresh, Etc Etc.

I was brought up Catholic, but quickly realized that much of what is taught is simple crap. No one can convince me that Jesus Christ intended a Catholic Church even remotely close to what evolved after his death. Some things that people truly believe in the name of religion are simply idiotic.

Having studied about many religions, I have come to my own conclusions. Bruce Lee said of different martial arts - "Absorb what is useful, ingore what is useless." That is my belief.


655 posted on 05/25/2005 2:52:28 PM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: CHARLITE

THANK YOU FOR A GREAT POST.


656 posted on 05/25/2005 2:53:52 PM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
It reminds me of the 'good old days'.

Ahhhh. Nostalgia.

be well jack.

And you, old friend.

657 posted on 05/25/2005 2:54:32 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: Netizen

I am an advoate of self control. But self control does not mean total repression and stupidity like some advocate on this board.

Balance is what is key.


658 posted on 05/25/2005 2:55:37 PM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: CHARLITE

Post hoc ergo propter hoc


659 posted on 05/25/2005 2:58:55 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: chris1
"THANK YOU FOR A GREAT POST"

You are welcome. It seems to have generated a very lively debate on a most important subject. I very much appreciate your acknowledgment of my efforts.

Sincerely,

Char :)........and I repeat. I have nothing but contempt for the "women's liberation movement!" It is comprised of self-loathing female SOWS!....and that's my "final answer!"

660 posted on 05/25/2005 2:59:12 PM PDT by CHARLITE (Ward Churchill should pack his bags and go join a tribe in Darfur, SUDAN, with KOFI ANNAN........!!)
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To: chris1
Balance is what is key.

That is very true. Don't stand on one leg and play with yourself. You're liable to hurt yourself. ;)

661 posted on 05/25/2005 3:00:22 PM PDT by Netizen (Back from a 1-3 day suspension, for pointing out to a mod their unfair suspension of another poster.)
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To: CHARLITE

um, ah, huh?


662 posted on 05/25/2005 3:04:46 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: Netizen

I was a personal trainer for 6 years. I set people up on diets and programs. I told people to eat whatever heck they wanted, just in balance and small portions.

Although people want a perfect diet or a perfect program, reality and common sense dictates that it is usually impossible to maintain perfection, which leads to failure. Long term success depends on doing little things right, over and over. for an extended period of time.

Anyone who claims purity in anything is usually full of garbage, whether it be morally or whatever.


663 posted on 05/25/2005 3:05:26 PM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: CHARLITE

yes: the "womyn's lib MOVEMENT" is nothing but destructive folly.

otoh - true meritocracy is always just.


664 posted on 05/25/2005 3:07:20 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: chris1
Anyone who claims purity in anything is usually full of garbage, whether it be morally or whatever.

It has seemed thus to my eye as well.

665 posted on 05/25/2005 3:08:21 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: King Prout

placemarker


666 posted on 05/25/2005 3:08:48 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: chris1
Long term success depends on doing little things right, over and over. for an extended period of time.

Similar to perfection? Doing something correctly, over and over for an extended period of time.

667 posted on 05/25/2005 3:09:57 PM PDT by Netizen (Back from a 1-3 day suspension, for pointing out to a mod their unfair suspension of another poster.)
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To: chris1
perfection 2. The act or process of perfecting: Perfection of the invention took years.
668 posted on 05/25/2005 3:11:49 PM PDT by Netizen (Back from a 1-3 day suspension, for pointing out to a mod their unfair suspension of another poster.)
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To: Netizen

Doing something correctly does not mean perfectly. The two are not the same. For example:

Someone who drinks two cans of regular soda a day will put on about 20 extra pounds of fat.

Someone who decides to lose weight and substitute the soda with water or sugarless tea or something, over time, will lose a lot of fat. It does not happen overnight, but that little step, nothing draconian or perfect, leads to long term results. However, if I advocated the person run 10 miles a day, eat wheatgrass all day, and starve himself, I would set the person up for a disaster, not weight loss.


669 posted on 05/25/2005 3:17:09 PM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: LogicalMs
When I've told similar career gals that there's a word for them, their lips get real pursed and narrow

ooo-ooo-ooo!

ovation!

remind me not to earn your contempt!

671 posted on 05/25/2005 5:30:54 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: Neets

I second that.


672 posted on 05/25/2005 7:34:36 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: King Prout
Only because what you view illogical is my logic based on a Biblical standard. If you don't view the Bible as God's Holy Word, then what I say is illogical.

Again. Morality, your view of right and wrong is going to dictate your logic.

Hitler thought what he was doing was logical.

Our Arguements aren't irrational, it's just on a different level.

673 posted on 05/26/2005 6:13:55 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? http://www.visualops.com/patch.html)
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To: Zavien Doombringer

I am indifferent to the basis of your arguments.
If that basis leads you to conclude that 1 + 1 does NOT = 2, your arguments are ILLOGICAL, not "moral"


674 posted on 05/26/2005 7:13:34 AM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: King Prout
Now you are talking foolish. I have spoken nothing short of morality. This Thread was about PORN. Morally speaking, Porn is bad! not one ounce of good in it! I never once said ay thing related to, "all or nothing" nor eluded to it. You did and implying that I stated such.

Show me where my arguements are illogical. You accuse me of being illogical, show me the logic in that statement.

I believe in absolutes. Truth is truth, it applies to all people, to all things in all places. You cannot distort the truth, it will no longer be truth.

Truth is in the standards that God gave us. a logical statement 1+1=2 = True, which equals truth. therefore it is logical, moraly it is right.

Porn is wrong. it is illogical for the Christian to devulge in it and still want to be called a Christian. It is an immoral act

No sir, you may be indifferent to the basis of my statements. But my base is in the believe in God and the Bible. I am not a thumper, nor do I force conversions, but I am strong in my faith and belief.

675 posted on 05/26/2005 9:33:36 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? http://www.visualops.com/patch.html)
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To: Zavien Doombringer

"I believe in absolutes"

all or nothing.
QED


676 posted on 05/26/2005 9:36:11 AM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: King Prout
Believing in absolutes is not "all or Nothing". It is about Truth or lies.

Right and Wrong...

677 posted on 05/26/2005 9:37:23 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? http://www.visualops.com/patch.html)
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To: Zavien Doombringer

this is getting nowhere.

what evidence, within human capacity to provide, would suffice to earn your admission to having made a factually erroneous all-or-nothing statement as the basis for one of your varied arguments?


678 posted on 05/26/2005 9:50:39 AM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: Zavien Doombringer

more to the point: "believing in absolutes is not "all or nothing"

incorrect. It is binary morality. Zeros and Ones. or, as you put it: Right and Wrong, Truth or Lies.

That's strict binary. That's the very essence of all or nothing.

Nothing intrinsically wrong with it... unless it is factually erroneous (eg: neglects to notice the very real existence of values between 0 and 1)... which your noises concerning abstainance vs. addiction (ignoring moderation)certainly does.


679 posted on 05/26/2005 9:56:22 AM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: King Prout
What the...? Do you try to write this way to confuse you or the reader?

With out absolutes, we wouldn't die, we would...uh just go zombie like...need more proof? with out absolutes, 1+1 =11 , I mean what proof do you need? If 1+1 didn't equal 2, an absolute, would you take the whole equation or not? " All or Nothing"

680 posted on 05/26/2005 9:56:36 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? http://www.visualops.com/patch.html)
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To: Zavien Doombringer

see #679


681 posted on 05/26/2005 9:57:12 AM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: King Prout
Now you put the human internvention in the equation...

We know what is right, but most refuse to do it...

That's the problem.

682 posted on 05/26/2005 9:58:00 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? http://www.visualops.com/patch.html)
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To: King Prout

posted before that came up...server is slow today


683 posted on 05/26/2005 9:58:45 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? http://www.visualops.com/patch.html)
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To: Zavien Doombringer

s'ok - it happens


684 posted on 05/26/2005 10:01:27 AM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: Zavien Doombringer

back after 5pm


685 posted on 05/26/2005 10:02:38 AM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: LogicalMs
You could ping me next time. I didn't think Foxman's bellyaching about 'The Passion' was all that necessary as I knew the film would come out, be a hit, and then go away. Big deal. Revenge of the Sith trounced it anyway for opening day sales.

I don't follow Foxman blindly, nor do I follow Lapin either.

It's hard for you to support Israel? Why? It's only easy when Jews are cheering you on or telling you how they couldn't make it without you? Then don't support. Maybe Israelis should stop protecting Christians over there.

686 posted on 05/26/2005 4:27:20 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (In Mercuristan, such questions are not tolerated.)
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To: Melas

Of course he was a liar; but why lie about what motivated him? Dobson could do nothing to save Bundy, and Bundy knew it. You either haven't read/seen the actual interview or at least don't remember it, because his description of how violent pornography motivated him rang true.


688 posted on 05/28/2005 1:18:29 PM PDT by Nabber
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To: Nabber

Not only do I remember the interview, I remember it very well. One of the dead give-a-ways in the interview is Bundy's repeated pretenses of remorse, regret, and guilt. Bundy was a sociopath, he felt none of those things he portrayed to Dobson. He was incapable for feeling those things. He was however clever enough to present the facade of the remorseful killer, who can't even talk about the murder of a 12 year old girl, because it's just too painful for him to talk about. Give me a break. He was feeding Dobson a steady diet throughout the entire interview.


689 posted on 05/28/2005 2:09:25 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Clemenza

"boobies"? "BOOBIES"???

'em are breasteses!


690 posted on 05/28/2005 2:12:09 PM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: Bella_Bru

:(

I missed the frey!

:(


691 posted on 05/28/2005 2:18:08 PM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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