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Buchanan: Frist Has Ceded Power to McCain - (tells Don Imus that it's not a "done deal!")
NEWSMAX.COM ^ | MAY 24, 2005 | CARL LIMBACHER

Posted on 05/24/2005 3:36:16 PM PDT by CHARLITE

Former presidential candidate Pat Buchanan had no kind words for Sen. John McCain this morning on the Don Imus radio program.

Buchanan said that Bill Frist had the votes to override the filibuster, but that McCain, with his "deal," in essence supported the Democratic filibuster and took the leadership of the Senate away from Frist.

Buchanan told Imus that with a change in the rules, President Bush's judicial nominees would have sailed through the Senate, that any Supreme Court nominees would sail through the Senate, and that "the great battle for the supreme Court was about to be won today" – except for the efforts of the "McCain Seven," who, Buchanan believes, have sold out the positions of the president, Sen. Frist and the entire base of the Republican Party.

That's quite a lot to heap on the shoulders of those seven Republican senators (Snowe, DeWine, Warner, Collins, McCain, Chafee and Graham) who cut this deal with the Democrats – but Buchanan isn't convinced the deal has to go through.

He told Imus, "If I were Senators Allen and Frist, I would say, 'Senator McCain, you've cut your deal with the Democrats and that's fine, but you haven't cut any deal on our behalf.

"'We've got seven judges here, and we're going to vote them all out of committee, and we're going to bring them to the floor [of the Senate], and every one of them is going to get an up-or-down vote.

"'If the Democrats filibuster, we're going to try to invoke cloture, and you can vote with Harry Reid and Ted Kennedy if you want - all four times.'"

This would present a problem for McCain and his ambitions. Buchanan added, "If they do that, McCain will then be forced either to go with the Republicans, and vote to break the filibuster ... or he votes with the Democrats, in which case he will cut his own throat, repeatedly, in his desire to be the Republican nominee [for president].

"Frist and Allen and the others are in the catbird seat, as long as they've got the nerve to stand up and say these fellas have cut the deal, it's nice to have the three judges, but we do not accept the deal that denies us [the other] four."

In other words, Frist and the others have to stand up for not only the Republican Party but also for Frist’s own leadership.

"If they don't do it, they're in effect ceding the decisive leadership in the Senate – Frist would be ceding it to McCain," Buchanan said.

But the issue is not simply about one or two judges, according to Buchanan. It's about the tyranny of the Supreme Court over the last half century.

"This is about the U.S. Supreme Court. The Republicans have to break that filibuster because ... the Supreme Court's been conducting a social revolution in this country for 50 years, and Bush has a long-shot chance of bringing down the curtain on it – and you should not give up that for some idea of non-partisanship in the U.S. Senate," he said.

Buchanan surmised that Bush needs to appoint three Supreme Court justices to override the liberal bias of the court, and "take it out of being a judicial dictatorship and judicial tyranny and restore it to constitutionalism."

Imus then asked what McCain and the others might be motivated by in making this deal.

"McCain gets big media that says 'John McCain is the man of the hour,' then he gets the Democrats coming around saying 'McCain saved things, he's a moderate, he's a man of the middle,'" Buchanan answered, "but he's done it at the expense of Frist and the Republican Party."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: 109th; billfrist; bush; deal; filibuster; johnmccain; judicial; leadership; neonazi; nominees; senate; turass
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1 posted on 05/24/2005 3:36:17 PM PDT by CHARLITE
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To: CHARLITE
I agree. Make McCain vote with the crats. It doesn't really make him any worse than he already is, but it might help to put him on the spot.

As for me, I want Allen to be the nominee. If it ends up being some RINO, I would prefer a real Democrat.

2 posted on 05/24/2005 3:40:34 PM PDT by Montfort (President George Allen)
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To: CHARLITE
"Frist and Allen and the others are in the catbird seat, as long as they've got the nerve to stand up and say these fellas have cut the deal, it's nice to have the three judges, but we do not accept the deal that denies us [the other] four."

I think Buchanan makes a very good point here. My prediction is that the ultimate end-game for this "filibuster deal" is that George Allen is going to emerge as the front-runner for the 2008 GOP presidential nomination.

3 posted on 05/24/2005 3:41:07 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but lord I'm free.)
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To: CHARLITE

Buchanan has nailed McStain perfectly here. Leave it to McStain to grab defeat from the jaws of victory.

The U.S. Senate is a vast wasteland.


4 posted on 05/24/2005 3:43:24 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: CHARLITE

>>This would present a problem for McCain and his ambitions

There's a lot more to chew on, here, but if McCain has ambitions, he is truly a madman. Compromisers of that rank (generally known as "traitors") have no constituency, and therefore they cannot reasonably have ambitions. Who would put a character like McCain on their shoulders? Nobody. Not Dems, not Republicans, nobody.


5 posted on 05/24/2005 3:44:48 PM PDT by Graymatter
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To: Alberta's Child

"My prediction is that the ultimate end-game for this "filibuster deal" is that George Allen is going to emerge as the front-runner for the 2008 GOP presidential nomination."

Agreed. Bill Frist is moving out of the picture. The RINO crowd will be split down the middle between McCain and Giuliani. Conservatives can win if they unite behind a principled conservative candidate.


6 posted on 05/24/2005 3:45:14 PM PDT by nj26
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To: Alberta's Child

George Allen is now the front-runner on tradesports.com


7 posted on 05/24/2005 3:46:15 PM PDT by gipper81
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To: Alberta's Child
I think Buchanan makes a very good point here.

Yes, I'm surprised.

8 posted on 05/24/2005 3:48:15 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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"'If the Democrats filibuster, we're going to try to invoke cloture, and you can vote with Harry Reid and Ted Kennedy if you want - all four times.'"

Frist et al would never do it. And if they hinted that they might they would soon be getting calls from the WH persuading them to back off.

9 posted on 05/24/2005 3:49:11 PM PDT by jla
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To: Alberta's Child; Montfort; DoughtyOne; ThreePuttinDude; Beth528; SMARTY; Ghost of Philip Marlowe; ..
CNSNews poll shows 90% of those polled say that Frist was too patient and should have done the constitutional option long before this.

http://cnsnews.freepolls.com/cgi-bin/pollresults/357

I agree. Frist really doesn't inspire me at all. No guts. Too much the Marquis of Queensberry for me. What was needed on our side was a "Senator John BOLTON!"...fer pete's sake!

Char :)

10 posted on 05/24/2005 3:49:56 PM PDT by CHARLITE (Ward Churchill should pack his bags and go join a tribe in Darfur, SUDAN, with KOFI ANNAN........!!)
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To: Alberta's Child
I would prefer a real Democrat.

Well, Zell is gone. Can you name another real democrat? No, Liberman is not a real democrat.

11 posted on 05/24/2005 3:53:55 PM PDT by sarasotarepublican (Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason.)
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To: CHARLITE

"Buchanan said that Bill Frist had the votes to override the filibuster..."

If he "had" them, they weren't very secure. He needs three of the seven, to reach 51 votes and change Senate rules.

If the dems default (use filibuster) Frist will be in a STRONGER position to get his rule change.

The real goal is getting judges approved.


12 posted on 05/24/2005 3:54:13 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: CHARLITE

After last night's RINO-led betrayal, the big question I'm facing is whether to stay in the GOP or close my checkbook and re-register as an Independent.

Like many people here, I feel the Party told me last night that I'm no longer welcome because my conservative convictions are too heartfelt and that my activism is too polarizing, even though the true conservatism has driven significant electoral successes over the past decade.

Suddenly, I'm not so sure that a civil war in the GOP would be the worst outcome of last night's debacle. Then again, I always felt that Atwater's Big Tent strategy was unwise because it would eventually lead to a crippling schism between what we've come to know as RINOs and real conservatives.


13 posted on 05/24/2005 3:55:14 PM PDT by MaryInSacto
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To: jla

Frist does NOT have enough experience along with a lack of back bone. He is a disaster. Hopefully, he is a better doctor than politican.


14 posted on 05/24/2005 3:55:30 PM PDT by sarasotarepublican (Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason.)
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To: CHARLITE

McCain is a loser.


15 posted on 05/24/2005 3:55:38 PM PDT by mowkeka
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To: CHARLITE

Frist hasn't ceded any power to McCain. McCain is the enemy. His mind was programed by the North Vietnamese. He is the Manchurian Canidate.


16 posted on 05/24/2005 4:00:32 PM PDT by JOE43270 (JOE43270 America voted and said we are One Nation Under God with Liberty and Justice for All.)
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To: CHARLITE; Gipper08; Reaganwuzthebest; MeekOneGOP; devolve; potlatch
I don't put credence in Pat Buchanan. But has he nailed it?

(There went twenty years of fighting the Democrats straight down the toilet.)

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Buchanan told Imus that with a change in the rules, President Bush's judicial nominees would have sailed through the Senate, that any Supreme Court nominees would sail through the Senate, and that "the great battle for the supreme Court was about to be won today" – except for the efforts of the "McCain Seven," who, Buchanan believes, have sold out the positions of the president, Sen. Frist and the entire base of the Republican Party.

17 posted on 05/24/2005 4:00:40 PM PDT by Happy2BMe ("Viva La Migra" - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: mowkeka
"MCCAIN is a loser".

Absolutely. You're talking about a guy here who almost singlehandedly sunk a US aircraft carrier. That takes some very special Darwinian effort.

18 posted on 05/24/2005 4:01:32 PM PDT by tenthirteen
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To: CHARLITE

What was needed on our side was a "Senator John BOLTON!
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Well, I have contended all along I am in favor of developing about 50 clones of ZELL MILLER and using them to replace the WIMPS that are our fine country-club, spineless losers we call Repub senators...very embarrassing. And at the same time, we are being sold down the river. I ask you...WHY SHOULD WE EVER VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN SENATOR AGAIN? -- when we FINALLY GIVE THESE FOOLS THE MAJORITY, AFTER SO MANY YEARS, then they play footsie, Mr. Niceguy and the Dems play them like a fiddle.

(barf bucket please!!)


19 posted on 05/24/2005 4:01:40 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: JOE43270
McCain is the enemy. His mind was programed by the North Vietnamese.

Either that, or they beat him over the head once too often. If that's the case it's tragic, but you can't have a madman influencing public policy.

20 posted on 05/24/2005 4:04:05 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: EagleUSA

I'm not sure a bucket is up to the job today. A wheelbarrow maybe.


21 posted on 05/24/2005 4:04:30 PM PDT by MaryInSacto
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To: sarasotarepublican

I think that Bill Frist's mistake was assuming that more than a few Senate Democrats would actually act in good faith, and limit their opposition to nominees tainted by "extraordinary circumstances". What he fails to appreciate is that to most Senate Democrats, being a mainstream conservative is "extraordinary" in and of itself. And they don't mean that in a good way. To the Democrat leadership, even a mild-mannered, rational man such as Bill Frist is a dangerous radical who must be defeated at any cost. He opposes their concept of progress - and "Progress" is their deity.


22 posted on 05/24/2005 4:08:36 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Your preaching to the choir. I agree.


23 posted on 05/24/2005 4:09:23 PM PDT by JOE43270 (JOE43270 America voted and said we are One Nation Under God with Liberty and Justice for All.)
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To: CHARLITE

I never thought I would hear myself say this but...I just don't give a damn anymore.


24 posted on 05/24/2005 4:10:57 PM PDT by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than any of us will ever know! :))
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To: CHARLITE

The sane Buchanon speaks today I see.

I agree. They must tell the others to go to hell. Have the votes and put them on record. Take votes right through '06 if they have to every week. Keep drilling this into public consciousness and make them kiss their careers goodbye with every second this drags on.


25 posted on 05/24/2005 4:11:32 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: CHARLITE

President Bush should find ways to make sure he remains the power in town. McStupid is making a play to be king-maker here. Bush needs to cut him off at the knees.

Perhaps some base closures can be re-assigned to Arizona.


26 posted on 05/24/2005 4:12:00 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Linguine Spined Republican Senators Will Lose Their Majority!)
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To: CHARLITE

Buchanon is essentially correct. If Republicans let these 7 buttwipes get away with this then Frist should resign, because he has become worthless. As for any notion that Frist will insist on the other 4 being brought on the floor. It wont happen. No balls.


27 posted on 05/24/2005 4:12:51 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: MaryInSacto
Don't forget what this is really all about - abortions! All of the "Subversive Seven", are Pro-choice; I'd love to find out how much money they have taken from abortion-supporting groups in their campaigns. Keep our eyes on the ball!
28 posted on 05/24/2005 4:18:28 PM PDT by jettester (I got paid to break 'em - not fly 'em)
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To: sarasotarepublican
"Frist does NOT have enough experience along with a lack of back bone. He is a disaster. Hopefully, he is a better doctor than politican."

I have been trying to give Frist the benefit of the doubt, ever since he assumed the position of Majority Leader, but I think you're right. He's turning out to be a huge disappointment to those of us who were so energized and enthusiastic about our gains last November.

As you say, this man should quietly return to private medical practice. Give us a John Bolton to lead our majority in the U.S. Congress? Just who is our strong man, I ask you.

Char :)

29 posted on 05/24/2005 4:18:52 PM PDT by CHARLITE (Ward Churchill should pack his bags and go join a tribe in Darfur, SUDAN, with KOFI ANNAN........!!)
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To: CHARLITE
The entire situation is despicable from both points of view -- that the Dems would play these games in order to keep the leftist tilt not only on the USSC, but on several other Federal courts, and that the Reps would continue sulk around with their tail between their legs.

I'll be glad when there's a viable third party, because these Republicans represent me less and less.

The big three for the 2004 election:
1. WOT
2. Judicial appointment (Constitutionalists)
3. The borders.

1 Is carrying itself at this point, I praise those who put it in motion (especially the military folks).

The lack of leadership and representation on the other 2 counts is enough for Rove to lose his base.
30 posted on 05/24/2005 4:26:23 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
"Either that, or they beat him over the head once too often."

I wrote on another similar thread last night (discussing John McCain), that I worked for 6 months leading up to the Nov. '04 election, with various anti-Kerry, pro-Bush veterans' groups........and you would be surprised how many vets told me privately that they know that "John McCain just isn't all there." i.e. he's missing a few screws.

None of them elaborated, or provided details, but lots of them said that McCain's problem is the "not-a-full-deck" problem. Too bad the voters in AZ. haven't figured that out yet, and unless or until they do, there isn't much that the rest of us can do about it.

At this point, one can almost be assured that if conservatives are on the verge of major victories, John McCain will devise a way to wreck the plan, and defeat us!

Rush thinks that McCain has been engaging in "pay back" for what he perceives as insults from the Bush people during the 2000 primary season......and that everything he does is to thwart George W. Bush. That's worse than simply being a RINO! I'm not sure what his new label ought to be.

Char

31 posted on 05/24/2005 4:27:52 PM PDT by CHARLITE (Ward Churchill should pack his bags and go join a tribe in Darfur, SUDAN, with KOFI ANNAN........!!)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
"The lack of leadership and representation on the other 2 counts is enough for Rove to lose his base."

I don't think there is any other way to interpret events. It is SO-o-oooooo aggravating. I had such high expectations for Bush's 2nd term. Time's awastin' . . . and I can't see any of the strong, bold "take charge" moves that he made during his 1st term.

Thanks so much for your reliably astute comments, Ghost!

Char :)

32 posted on 05/24/2005 4:30:53 PM PDT by CHARLITE (Ward Churchill should pack his bags and go join a tribe in Darfur, SUDAN, with KOFI ANNAN........!!)
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To: Graymatter

"Who would put a character like McCain on their shoulders? Nobody. Not Dems, not Republicans, nobody."

Yes, Dems...and the dimwitted.


33 posted on 05/24/2005 4:31:20 PM PDT by Magic Fingers
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To: DoughtyOne

mcPain's ego lives on.........


34 posted on 05/24/2005 4:33:55 PM PDT by tioga
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To: jettester
Imus then asked what McCain and the others might be motivated by in making this deal.


The answer is:

"This is about the U.S. Supreme Court... the Supreme Court's been conducting a social revolution in this country for 50 years, and Bush has a long-shot chance of bringing down the curtain on it"

And those Rino's don't want strict constructionists on the Court. That's the answer.

Jettester, I agree with you.
35 posted on 05/24/2005 4:33:59 PM PDT by sirthomasthemore (I go to my execution as the King's humble servant, but God's first!)
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To: CHARLITE

Does seem that anytime Bush and Republicans are set to roll with their majority, a McCain or Jeffords pops out of somewhere to screw everything up and make it a hard road.

McCain was being a total ASS here. I firmly believe McCain is trying to sabotage Judges so Bush may not have a Judicial legacy to leave the courts that would be historically significant.

I am beginning to think that the wrong part of McCain was cut off in his operations. They should have saved the mole and lost him instead.

What a waste of a Senate seat McCain is.


36 posted on 05/24/2005 4:35:29 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: CHARLITE
I'm not sure what his new label ought to be.

"Creep" does it for me.

37 posted on 05/24/2005 4:38:03 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Montfort

George Allen for President in 2008. We need a real man in the Majority Leader position, and Frist is obviously not the man who can control the Republican party.


38 posted on 05/24/2005 4:44:07 PM PDT by RightWingRuler
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To: CHARLITE
Frist only needs two of the seven RINOS' votes to invoke the nuclear option...and Cheney would break the tie.

Today Graham and Warner both sounded like they would go along with the nuclear option if/when the Dems decide to filibuster again.

39 posted on 05/24/2005 4:45:34 PM PDT by moondoggie
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To: CHARLITE
Just who is our strong man, I ask you.

That is the depressing question. I don't think we have one.

40 posted on 05/24/2005 4:53:41 PM PDT by sarasotarepublican (Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason.)
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To: Happy2BMe

Thanks for the PING!


41 posted on 05/24/2005 4:56:51 PM PDT by Gipper08 (MIKE PENCE IN 2008)
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To: MaryInSacto
After last night's RINO-led betrayal, the big question I'm facing is whether to stay in the GOP or close my checkbook and re-register as an Independent.

I've already made that latter decision. Just as the Democratic Party left Reagan, the Pubbies have left me. The old "Fool me once . . ." routine applies here.

42 posted on 05/24/2005 4:58:32 PM PDT by Oatka
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To: sarasotarepublican

You confused the heck out of me, and then I realized that you were responding to Post #2, not mine. LOL.


43 posted on 05/24/2005 5:31:06 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but lord I'm free.)
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To: jettester

Too bad the GOP and the Justice Department lack the spine to go after Planned Parenthood, NOW, NARAL and their ilk declared as corrupt organizations under RICO. Nothing would make me happier than to see the board members, officers, employees -- and those who've benefitted from their donations! -- marched off to prison with total forfeiture of all current and future assets. This approach would serve to right many of the wrongs that ail us. It would put most DemonRATs and their supporters in prison (yaaaay!!!) and it would clean-out of our deeply corrupted political, media and educational hierarchies.


44 posted on 05/24/2005 5:32:58 PM PDT by MaryInSacto
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To: EagleUSA
I don't know about anyone else, but I sure as hell wouldn't want someone like Zell Miller -- let alone 50 of them -- serving as "leaders" in my political party.

I would never trust a guy whose "principles" only come to the surface when he's decided to: 1) retire from politics, and 2) write a book.

45 posted on 05/24/2005 5:35:10 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but lord I'm free.)
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To: CHARLITE

Who is our strong man?

James Inhofe from OK gets my vote. He plays to win. Remember when he ordered up tax returns of all the pink-green enviros who were opposing his attempts to gain approval for Clear Skies? That's a great example of the sort of muscular conservatism that brings people to the polls. In contrast, last night's capitulation was a Symphony in Wimpdom, the very thing that turns off potential conservative voters.

If we put forth more guys and gals like Inhofe who take principled stands, and who are willing to saw off Marxists at the knees Marxists, we will win election after election.


46 posted on 05/24/2005 5:45:50 PM PDT by MaryInSacto
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To: gipper81

Both great leaders!

47 posted on 05/24/2005 5:50:11 PM PDT by JOE6PAK ("Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.")
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To: moondoggie
What are we supposed to do, believe what they say now??

Not me.....they can both go to hell

48 posted on 05/24/2005 5:50:49 PM PDT by ThreePuttinDude (....vote john mc shame for sewer tester....)
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To: sarasotarepublican; MeekOneGOP; PhilDragoo; Happy2BMe; Smartass; potlatch; ntnychik; ...


In a race between Lieberman and McCain -

Lieberman would be more conservative and trustworthy as President -

Joe Lieberman is rock solid on our WOT and it is not only because he is Jewish and supports Israel -

Lieberman may have deserted his beliefs in 2000 to run for VP -

But he was loyal to the democrat party -

Unlike Crazy McCain who stabs Republicans in the back every time he can -

I need to read up on that FR post last night that said McCain bombed his own carrier and killed over 100 sailors - (I have not heard that before - I am not vouching for it's credibility but I am going to look into it!)

I know he managed to crash his fighter in the dangerous Gulf of Mexico!

Ol' "Kick the Tires and Light the Fires" McCain he was known as -

Ego, envy, jealosy, greed, insanity - McCain's got it all!

John McCain - The real Manchurian Candidate







49 posted on 05/24/2005 6:00:48 PM PDT by devolve
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To: DoughtyOne

Someone there's a market sign saying 'spines for sale' and maybe 'rocky mountain oysters'. I'd advise buying a lot of those since republican oysters are pretty darn small.


50 posted on 05/24/2005 6:06:24 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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