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Mexicans or Terrorists? The Battle for Baldwin Park - (Team America Report...it's getting ugly)
TEAM AMERICA PAC.ORG ^ | MAY 24, 2005 | LINDA MULLER

Posted on 05/24/2005 6:35:20 PM PDT by CHARLITE

Warning to readers: The transcripts and photos from the following video clips contain very offensive statements. These are only a few examples of the angry racist slurs shouted at the Americans who dared to protest the monument in Baldwin Park, California.

Overview

Many in our government and the media deny the existence of the militant Mexican plans for the the reconquista of Aztlan. They say it is just another conspiracy theory. Others say it is only an idea supported by a few radical hispanics.

What happened in Baldwin Park, is happening in cities across America. It is supported by all the major Mexican organizations including LULAC, LaRaza, and MALDEF. These groups get funding from corporations and American taxpayers. Elected officials attend their events and accept their awards. The media quotes them as sources in news reports. Yet they continue to deny that any of these groups are a danger to American citizens.

Read the transcripts and view the videos below. Ask all who continue to support open borders to take time to see the footage and then decide. Is it all a myth? Or is the reconquista of Aztlan well under way?

[It is a must to visit this website. Too many disturbing photos to post here.]

(Excerpt) Read more at teamamericapac.org ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; US: Arizona; US: California; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: aliens; alzarkawi; american; antiamerican; aztlan; baldwinpark; bang; banglist; cw2; demonstration; gringos; immigrantlist; jingoism; judybaca; lamecha; laraza; lulac; maldef; mexican; mexico; southwest; takeover; ubl
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1 posted on 05/24/2005 6:35:21 PM PDT by CHARLITE
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To: CHARLITE
Team America?


2 posted on 05/24/2005 6:37:21 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Is anyone else ready for football to begin again?)
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To: MikeinIraq

Those guys are protesting about stuff that even blacks won't protest about.

(that was sarcasm)

Until Bush gets out of Vinnie's pocket, we'll have to deal with this for a long time.


3 posted on 05/24/2005 6:43:15 PM PDT by baltodog (R.I.P. Balto: 2001(?) - 2005)
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To: baltodog

Well just give to Pat Buchanan/Tom Tancredo and his Team America PAC. That's gonna do something about the border!!!

Not....


4 posted on 05/24/2005 6:45:36 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Is anyone else ready for football to begin again?)
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To: CHARLITE
At some point some Mexican or South American gangers will fire off a few MANPADS after being paid by the Osama types and then maybe the morons in Washington will do their jobs.

Naaaa.....

5 posted on 05/24/2005 6:46:53 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Get all the incumbents out of politics!)
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To: CHARLITE

Bush Bot's idea of greater border security....

7 posted on 05/24/2005 7:01:16 PM PDT by joesnuffy (The generation that survived the depression and won WW2 proved poverty does not cause crime)
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To: CHARLITE

Sounds like someone needs to use some thermite on that monument.
Really easy stuff to make.


8 posted on 05/24/2005 7:08:30 PM PDT by Chewbacca (My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead, and thats the way I like it!)
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To: MikeinIraq

Just saw Team America for the first time. LMAO.


9 posted on 05/24/2005 7:12:23 PM PDT by A message (101 days until kickoff)
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To: CHARLITE

Thank you all for your service to our country.


10 posted on 05/24/2005 7:16:07 PM PDT by stevio (Red-Blooded American Male)
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To: everyone

Everyone should send this link to their liberal friends. And their local GOP leadership and elected officials.


11 posted on 05/24/2005 7:44:20 PM PDT by California Patriot
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To: stevio

When you conquer a land, you must kill all the enemy men and youths. If you omit that step, their descendants will come back after a while and want "their" land back.


12 posted on 05/24/2005 7:47:33 PM PDT by ReadyNow
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To: CHARLITE
It's starting now.

And it will turn into violence. And more violence.

I saw it coming.

Many of us saw it coming.

All one had to do was critically and objectively view the USA as a "Foreign Country"--enjoying uncontrolled social upheaval with no end in sight, a country no different from others that had been Balkanized and put on edge, to see what would eventually happen.

Our leaders let this happen. It will also get worse before it gets better.

The politicians had no morals. Only a thirst for votes and in some cases, the outright destruction of the United States on thier watch.

Well, now they will be faced with a Bosnia-Herzegovina, and they cannot even see this happening in their own back yard.

13 posted on 05/24/2005 7:51:25 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (**AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS NOT SO MUCH "WHO" WE STAND FOR, BUT RATHER "WHAT" WE STAND FOR**)
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To: CHARLITE

Interesting. They should be informed that the Indians (and Mexicans) stole the US from the people who came before them, confirmed to NOT be Indians.

Also, I wholeheartedly approve of the pro-Osama sentiment expressed by the brown racists. It helps my cause, even though I am not a flag-waving warmonger, or even much of a patriot for that matter. I just want to live free, enencumbered by these freaks. If they want to run around with rags on their head and cheer for terrorists, I will not stop them.

I just hope that our side stops using extreme language that says all Mexicans want to "take over" the country. It draws attention away from their extremism and racism, and puts the focus on our people.

The question is: Will the national media pick this up? I am afraid blood will be shed before the media even winks.


14 posted on 05/24/2005 7:58:27 PM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: followerofchrist; nothingnew; Beth528; SmithL; King Prout; JesseJane; purpleland; Alamo-Girl; ...
" I am afraid blood will be shed before the media even winks."

Absolutely.......and it isn't going to be long before it happens, either.

Although I appreciate your "live and let live" philosophy, it is still critical that Americans understand that these various groups (Muslim islamofascists AND LaMecha et al) have deadly serious agendas. We can not afford to flick them off as not important, or merely rowdy "rabble rousers."

To my mind, it is a matter of preserving, protecting and defending America.

Char

15 posted on 05/24/2005 8:31:40 PM PDT by CHARLITE (Ward Churchill should pack his bags and go join a tribe in Darfur, SUDAN, with KOFI ANNAN........!!)
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To: CHARLITE; Travis McGee; Eaker; MeekOneGOP

bookmarked.


16 posted on 05/24/2005 8:39:13 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: followerofchrist
If I understand what you said correctly, and let me recapitulate it here, you said:
"I wholeheartedly approve of the pro-Osama sentiment expressed by the brown racists". ...and what they said was:
"Too bad Osama Bin Laden didn't have a hydrogen bomb to drop on that Jewish shit hole called Manhattan...
Then you stated that:
"I am not a flag-waving warmonger, or even much of a patriot for that matter"
So, to summarize, you... want to see Americans, as long as they are Jewish, get blown up, you have no, or very little, respect for our Country, and you equate patriotism with warmongering. May I ask, why the hell are you in this Country and on this forum??? Explain, if you would, the reasoning behind your asinine appearing remarks.
17 posted on 05/24/2005 8:47:18 PM PDT by papasmurf (Dear Lord, Please make me the Commanding General In Iraq for just 3 months, Amen.)
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To: followerofchrist
It helps my cause,

That being??????

18 posted on 05/24/2005 9:02:39 PM PDT by Brad's Gramma (Yo! Cowboy! I'm praying for a LoganMiracle! It CAN happen!!!!)
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To: CHARLITE
We can't win this battle unless we can make more Americans recognize the danger. The secret is not to protest the monument at the park. The secret is to find a way to defeat the officials who allowed that monument to be built. If all those who supported this monument were defeated at the next election, our officials would understand that this kind of disloyalty will not be tolerated.

To win at the ballot box, we have to make people realize that there is a danger. Not every person of Mexican descent is a problem, but those who support the "reconquista" idea are. There may not be that many of them, but we must still take action to stop them.

Bill

19 posted on 05/24/2005 9:06:56 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: B4Ranch

Read this and weep for our country.


20 posted on 05/24/2005 9:12:07 PM PDT by KittyKares
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To: CHARLITE

You and the other protesters were beyond brave. I hope the grandmother who was hit in the head and taken to the hospital is O.K. now.

Unless hundreds of more concerned citizens will attend such protests along with you, I don't think it is safe to venture into "their territory." They are so full of venomous hatred that one day someone might do a drive-by. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw photos of some of them dressed like Muslim terrorists!


21 posted on 05/24/2005 9:23:39 PM PDT by KittyKares
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To: WFTR
To win at the ballot box, we have to make people realize that there is a danger.

If the press won't report these things, how do we accomplish this?

22 posted on 05/24/2005 9:25:18 PM PDT by KittyKares
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To: CHARLITE
That's EASY to answer.

They are Terrorists...in every way.

..and they deserve the same fate that President Bush has promised for the members of Al Quida.

redrock

23 posted on 05/24/2005 9:26:49 PM PDT by redrock (Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. --Will Rogers)
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To: KittyKares

If Johnny Paycheck were still around doing the old country song "Take This Job And Shove It", he would have to record it in several languages.


24 posted on 05/24/2005 9:35:39 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, it's a FREE CALL)
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To: WFTR
"Not every person of Mexican descent is a problem, but those who support the "reconquista" idea are. There may not be that many of them, but we must still take action to stop them."

Well said. What is disturbing is that when they win over (or coerce) enough voters, they can stay in office, pandering to LaMecha and the other "reconquista" groups. In brief, they outnumber those who are outraged with these deliberately hateful agendas. The politicians cater to those agendas, which in turn, perpetuates them and gives them "legitimacy!" That is what worries me.

The recent winner of L.A.'s mayoral election was closely associated with these separatists, at one time, and to my knowledge, he has never denounced them.

I'd like to "keep the faith," but it is becoming very difficult.

Thanks so much for your remarks.

Char

25 posted on 05/24/2005 9:41:54 PM PDT by CHARLITE (Ward Churchill should pack his bags and go join a tribe in Darfur, SUDAN, with KOFI ANNAN........!!)
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To: KittyKares
If the press won't report these things, how do we accomplish this?

That's the big question. I'm trying to spend more time on these threads to make myself think about ways to answer that question. Admittedly, an idea coming to my head doesn't have much chance of ever being implemented, but I think there's value in talking and thinking about it. When you asked the question, did you have any ideas for what the answer should be? If so, please type and post.

26 posted on 05/24/2005 9:43:39 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: CHARLITE
In brief, they outnumber those who are outraged with these deliberately hateful agendas.

Do you really think so?

I seem to hear concern about immigration from many people. I hear it even from people who seem to hold politically correct views on most topics. I'm always a little surprised when someone who seems so clueless about so many things suddenly expresses concern about the border and about illegal immigration. Granted, most of them are not aware of the whole "reconquista" movement, but their concern would certainly include concern about that movement if they were aware. If they could be informed and could begin "voting their beliefs" on immigration, they'd be voting for the candidates who would fight the "reconquista" movement.

Of course, this point brings us back to the problem of how to turn concern about illegal immigration into a winning issue. I think many people would vote for candidates who would address immigration, but those candidates don't seem to exist or don't gain enough power to influence policy.

Either way, thanks for being on top of this issue.

Bill

27 posted on 05/24/2005 9:50:48 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: WFTR

The John and Ken radio show in the Los Angeles area have been complaining loudly about illegal immigration for some time now. And the Minuteman Project brought a miraculous amount of national attention to this issue. As of late, it seems to me that more people are talking about illegal immigration. Perhaps what the Minutemen plan to do along the California border will continue to keep it in the public eye. So I would think donating to the Minutemen and patronizing John and Ken's sponsors would be helpful.

I also think the threatened closure of hospitals made some people take notice. Unfortunately, people seem to wait until a crisis occurs before they wake up and act. At least now our hospitals will be getting some Federal monies. But this is only a band-aid and will not cure the cause of the disease.

As more and more of our tax dollars are drained to support illegals -- some of whom even hate us for our efforts -- people will start waking up from their comas. But it's dangerous to wait that long. I think that supporting those in the media who are in the forefront of the battle may be the best bet.


28 posted on 05/24/2005 10:19:32 PM PDT by KittyKares
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To: KittyKares

Keep sending short, polite, occasional emails to the LAT, NYT, etc.

readers.rep at latimes.com
public at nytimes.com

The LAT covered the Baldwin Park event, and I'm still trying to figure out what happened. Did they go to Buena Park by mistake or something?

With enough pressure, the MSM might be shamed into finally reporting the truth instead of covering up for ANSWER and their friends.


29 posted on 05/24/2005 11:28:38 PM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com (http://lonewacko.com/blog)
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To: baltodog
Until Bush gets out of Vinnie's pocket, we'll have to deal with this for a long time.

It's way too late quite frankly to avoid the solution to this being either some form of civil war or passive acqiessence by Americans.

In fact, expect getting into this country to become big business from Mexico soon. You'll see shops pop up like travel agencies getting anyone from anywhere into the States for the right price.

America has lost its will for the most part and has gotten to "fat and lazy" in a proverbial sense due to the "good life." In 20 years this country won't even be recognizable from what it first was. Once mexicans (and others) establish a critical mass in the southwestern, or other, states, it's all over. People with the smarts are getting out of those states while the goin' is still good.

This entire thing is one massive time bomb!

30 posted on 05/24/2005 11:46:15 PM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
Since you said the LAT covered it, I went to their Web site and saw that they did write about it on May 15.

Apparently people have been emailing Baldwin Park officials:

City Councilman David Olivas said members of Save Our State have "created an atmosphere of hate" ... "The e-mails I've received are bordering on hate crimes," said Olivas, who added that the messages would be sent to the district attorney's office.

So people expressing their opinions to those guys have had their messages turned over to the D.A. I think that is very intimidating and counter to the idea of free speech.

31 posted on 05/25/2005 12:09:13 AM PDT by KittyKares
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To: CHARLITE
Open war is coming.With in 10 years Mexicans will declare California an independent Mexican state. War is coming.
32 posted on 05/25/2005 12:35:15 AM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: KittyKares
So people expressing their opinions to those guys have had their messages turned over to the D.A.

Here I was, having a nice quiet morning reading the news. . . and now I gotta go write an email to see if I can get on the A List.

33 posted on 05/25/2005 12:41:04 AM PDT by Flyer (I've seen your king come and go here)
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To: CHARLITE

Bump for later.


34 posted on 05/25/2005 1:01:41 AM PDT by Colorado Buckeye (It's the culture stupid!)
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To: CHARLITE

MALDEF is an aggressive, well-funded group designed to advance explicit racial-ethnic interests at the expense of the white majority. Ironically, its support comes almost entirely from “Anglo” sources, without which it would collapse. Ford Foundation and IBM would be indignant at the idea of an organization that promoted white interests.

Like the Tides foundation Ford Foundation gives money to terrorist.There is so much on these company's I can't post them here.I would suggest that all go to search and bring up who these Foundations support..


35 posted on 05/25/2005 4:55:22 AM PDT by Beth528
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To: KittyKares

The SOS people need to counter this Olivas just as vigorously with their own charges of his "hate" towards them. But I sense that like most conservatives when called a name they will just go into navel gazing mode and slink off.


36 posted on 05/25/2005 5:02:00 AM PDT by junta ("Racism" a word invented so as to allow morons access to the political debate.)
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To: Flyer

LOL! Sorry about disturbing your nice quiet morning.

This whole illegal alien thing is amazing. A friend of mine is about to move out of California. She said she was talking with the real estate people, and they were shocked to hear about what is going on in California. They said we should rebel. Apparently they were more offended by the "Los Angeles, Mexico" billboards than we were out here.


37 posted on 05/25/2005 7:29:44 AM PDT by KittyKares
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To: A message

yeah...

I made the wife watch it with me. I bought the uncensored version. She was enjoying it almost until the doll sex scene....


38 posted on 05/25/2005 8:11:32 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (Is anyone else ready for football to begin again?)
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To: Brad's Gramma

"That being??????"

The cause is immigration reform.


39 posted on 05/25/2005 5:25:53 PM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: papasmurf

"If I understand what you said correctly,"

You absolutely do not.

"and let me recapitulate it here, you said:
"I wholeheartedly approve of the pro-Osama sentiment expressed by the brown racists".
...and what they said was:
"Too bad Osama Bin Laden didn't have a hydrogen bomb to drop on that Jewish shit hole called Manhattan..."

My comment was not in reference to that. I support the Aztlaners making asses of themselves, not terrorism or Osama. I approve of the brown racists expressing the sentiment. Perhaps next time you should ask me what I meant.

"Then you stated that:
"I am not a flag-waving warmonger, or even much of a patriot for that matter"
So, to summarize, you... want to see Americans, as long as they are Jewish, get blown up,"

What?! When did I say this? I said nothing about Jews. My comment was not in the context of that. My brother is in Iraq. Why would I want my brother dead? Please explain this to me. And why would I want my uncle's friend dead, who is an American contractor in Iraq? Oh, and half Jewish.
As stated before, I said I support their exposing their own idiocy because it helps my cause, of immigration reform. I am sorry you cannot understand the post in its full context. I had another reply that questioned what "my cause" was.

"you have no, or very little, respect for our Country, and you equate patriotism with warmongering."

I absolutely have the utmost respect for my country, but not my politicians. I do not equate patriotism with warmongering, others do.

"May I ask, why the hell are you in this Country and on this forum??? Explain, if you would, the reasoning behind your asinine appearing remarks."

I did explain, but I am about 100% sure you will not accept what I say, because you have already insulted the hell out of me and put thoughts in my mind which were not there.


40 posted on 05/25/2005 5:44:18 PM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: CHARLITE
Interesting videos on that site? I think my extra sks (& 300 rds) is in my truck from now on. Its not like its illegal, and you get to have the warm fuzzy feeling of having a rifle close by :o)
41 posted on 05/25/2005 8:04:59 PM PDT by ezoeni (rats spread disease)
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To: followerofchrist
Oh, I understood what you said, no doubt, it's what you meant that I was questioning.

Next time I should ask you what you meant? I did ask you..."Explain, if you would, the reasoning behind your asinine appearing remarks." Your post appeared asinine to me, I asked you to explain.

So, to summarize, you... want to see Americans, as long as they are Jewish, get blown up," What?! When did I say this? When you said "I wholeheartedly approve of the pro-Osama sentiment expressed by the brown racists" The remarks you did refer to were..."Too bad Osama Bin Laden didn't have a hydrogen bomb to drop on that Jewish shit hole called Manhattan...
That's sick, in my book.

"As stated before, I said I support their exposing their own idiocy because it helps my cause, of immigration reform" Where did you state that? Was that just before or just after you "wholeheartedly" approved of their Pro-Osama sentiment? The word "immigration" just doesn't appear in your post to my tired old eyes, neither does "idiocy".

Because I said, "you have no, or very little, respect for our Country, and you equate patriotism with warmongering." Your answer was "I absolutely have the utmost respect for my country, but not my politicians." Sorry, pal, can't have both ways, you are either a patriot or you're not...n : love of country and willingness to sacrifice for it. Is respect NOT a component of Love? And is not , at least wanting, to stop something as heinous as that display of hate NOT lacking a willingness to sacrifice for it?

You closed with... "you have already insulted the hell out of me and put thoughts in my mind which were not there" EYE insulted YOU??? I was furious when I read your post, how could someone, a conservative, on FR, post something as disgusting as that? "and put thoughts in my mind which were not there" Do you mean I made you think about what you said? Good!
42 posted on 05/25/2005 8:26:35 PM PDT by papasmurf (Dear Lord, Please make me the Commanding General In Iraq for just 3 months, Amen.)
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To: CHARLITE

They said they beat us. They said that we wouldn't go back. That's the reason we must. Our fight is based on principle, the movement would suffer if we backed down.

We're going back. On the 25th of June. FR needs to stand up...Freeper participation has been less than stellar. This is serious sh!t guys. They want to hurt us, we need numbers here... We have 20 people show up again, we're going to be in a tight position.

Consider that it isn't about the monument itself. It's the thought process that is encouraged by it's existance. The same thought process we saw in the counter protest.

http://www.saveourstate.org/forums/index.php?s=8a95356298ccac76d068afc5f4addbb5&showtopic=2255&hl=


43 posted on 05/31/2005 2:40:11 AM PDT by 1_Inch_Group (Country Before Party)
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To: MikeinIraq

America. Fvck Yeah!

You coming?

Baldwin Park II has been decided.


44 posted on 05/31/2005 2:40:52 AM PDT by 1_Inch_Group (Country Before Party)
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To: gubamyster; HiJinx

Suicide Mission Ping.

"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Dolores Ibarruri `La Pasionaria'

"From time to time, the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots." - Thomas Jefferson

"For those that will fight for it....Freedom...has a flavor the protected shall never know". - L/Cpl Edwin L. Craft, B Co. 3rd AT's, Khe Sahn Combat Base, February 1968


45 posted on 05/31/2005 2:46:16 AM PDT by 1_Inch_Group (Country Before Party)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

ping


46 posted on 05/31/2005 9:44:06 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: ezoeni
Good morning.

You couldn't pay me to go to southern California right now.

If we have a hot summer with what is happening right now, there WILL be riots. I fully expect an increase in violence against Anglos throughout the Southwest and I expect to see in-your-face displays of pro-Aztlan demonstrations.

Michael Frazier
47 posted on 05/31/2005 10:11:56 AM PDT by brazzaville (No surrender,no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: gubamyster

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Be Ever Vigilant!

Minutemen Patriots ~ Bump!


48 posted on 05/31/2005 10:22:42 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: ezoeni
Good morning.
LOL.
I signed up for the Team America newsletter. When I checked my email for the confirmation of my request, I found that I had received my Brownells newsletter a couple of seconds earlier.
I think thats appropriate.

Michael Frazier
49 posted on 05/31/2005 10:24:24 AM PDT by brazzaville (No surrender,no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: BigCinBigD
Open war is coming.With in 10 years Mexicans will declare California an independent Mexican state. War is coming.

Yup. I am not sure what is in California, but it ain't being annexed by no damn mexico or turned into some dopehead dream "azland" or what ever and I will say exactly why.

Same exact reason it will not happen to Texas either. The u.S. Government is not ABOUT to let go of Ft. Hood and the 49th Armored Division plus the attack helicopters based there. Nor are they going to give up the East Texas oil fields and coal mines. Also, the refineries in and near Texas City, does anyone REALLY believe the u.S. is just gonna give them up? He11 no. And the EXTENSIVE oil fields in west Texas? Ya gotta be a retard just to let yourself think it would happen. And if - IF somehow someone came up with a wild azz theory on how all that would just be handed over to a pack of mexican thugs on a azland wet dream trip consider this.... do ya REALLY think the u.S. Government is gonna loose control of the Pantex Nuclear Weapons facility by Amarillo??? Well, if anyone does, they are ready for the right-now-rubber-room or they are just tooooooo stupid for any coherent description.

In either case the development of a situation where such morons attempted a toe-to-toe with the u.S. "that Bush boy" will trot out a BIG can `o whup azz. The "azland" crew will get vaporized like a bug in a laser beam.

50 posted on 05/31/2005 8:51:25 PM PDT by TLI (. ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA,. .Minuteman Project, Day -1 to Day 8)
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