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Creationism: God's gift to the ignorant (Religion bashing alert)
Times Online UK ^ | May 21, 2005 | Richard Dawkins

Posted on 05/25/2005 3:41:22 AM PDT by billorites

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To: PatrickHenry

HAH! I got the BEST Prime on this thread!


401 posted on 05/25/2005 3:10:51 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: js1138
The supression of ideas by authority is the greatest single crime that can be committed. Worse than rape or murder, because crimes against the body affect a limited number of people. Crimes agains free speech are crimes against the mind, the greatest gift we have.

I don't think so. Suppression breeds revolution and is as such a temporary state of affairs. Dead is dead.

402 posted on 05/25/2005 3:11:35 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
His views are remarkably similar to Marx vis a vis religion and he is an economic lefty to boot.

'Marx was an atheist; Dawkins is an atheist; therefore Dawkins is a Marxist' is idiotic. And being a leftist does not make one a Marxist. Words have meanings; their purpose is not simply so you can fling ill-directed insults.

I have no further reason to assume anything you write bears more than accidental relationship with the truth. Shame.

403 posted on 05/25/2005 3:12:56 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: King Prout

I think one day we should hold a crevo filk and poetry contest. Everyone could trot out his or her best efforts. It might go some way to breaking the tensions that arise on these threads.


404 posted on 05/25/2005 3:13:26 PM PDT by Junior (“Even if you are one-in-a-million, there are still 6,000 others just like you.”)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

By killing God, evolutionists kill that which gave rise to our Western Culture, namely Christianity. By killing Western Culture...

To control the present is to control the past and, hence, the future of mankind.


405 posted on 05/25/2005 3:15:41 PM PDT by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: jwalsh07
Dead is dead

I find it interesting that you would say that.

406 posted on 05/25/2005 3:19:08 PM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: jwalsh07
Your opinion, I don't share it.

Its not my opinion...marxists can't stand the guy.

407 posted on 05/25/2005 3:19:21 PM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: Right Wing Professor
I always thought you were an honest guy. Honesty would compel you to acknowledge that Dawkins' views on religion are Marxist. Dishonesty compelled you to bring up the word atheist. Some of my best friends are atheists. I married an atheist. Doesn't quite fit the picture you've drawn, now does it?

As for "shame" I can only laugh. Your response was pathetic.

408 posted on 05/25/2005 3:20:13 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: js1138
I find it interesting that you would say that.

Why?

409 posted on 05/25/2005 3:22:07 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: RightWingNilla

Dawkins views on religion are marxist. There is no reason to argue that point, it is a fact.


410 posted on 05/25/2005 3:23:29 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Junior
It might go some way to breaking the tensions that arise on these threads.

or throw gas on the fire...

filk? what is filk?

411 posted on 05/25/2005 3:26:38 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: ArGee
As an aside, why is it impossible to have discussions on FR?

Because when people post nonsense, such as you've posted in your characterization of Galileo, then others are compelled to correct the nonsense. When the nonsense gets corrected, the poster of the nonsense generally refuses to step down and instead becomes defensive and combative. It's all downhill from there..

Galileo was never at odds with either Christianity or with the Catholic Church. It was certain influential officials of the Church who were at odds with Galileo. When Galileo was ordered to halt teaching the Copernican heliocentric model in 1616 he did so until 1623. He did not resume his endeavors in that regard until 1623 when his friend Pope Urban VIII succeeded to the Holy See, and lifted the prohibition. His pivotal exposition of Copernican theory was published in 1632 with the imprimatur of the Catholic censors. It was only thereafter that Church opponents of science brought him before the Inquisition on the basis of the 1616 prohibition. As we all know, Galileo duly recanted before the Inquisition; he was always profoundly religious and never sought to undermine the Church. It is absolutely ridiculous to suggest that Galileo 'misbehaved' with regard to the Catholic Church.

PS. As an idle aside, it's worth noting that Sir Francis Bacon, despite his admirable formulation of the scientific method, nonetheless firmly rejected the Copernican model on religious grounds.

PPS. It's also noteworthy that Nicholas Copernicus drew his inspiration from the heliocentric theory of the ancient Greek astronomer Aristarchus formulated 17 centuries before Copernicus. It was Copernicus however that worked out the basic physics and transformed Aristarchus' model into a science.

412 posted on 05/25/2005 3:26:44 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: jwalsh07

I thought those with faith do not believe dead is dead.

I personally would rather be dead with my ideas preserved than alive without the ability to express my thoughts. Death is going to happen anyway. It's how we live while we are alive that matters.


413 posted on 05/25/2005 3:26:58 PM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: Baraonda; A Balrog of Morgoth; Junior
...evolutionists kill that which gave rise to our Western Culture...

booze and war are under no threat from evolutionary theory.

414 posted on 05/25/2005 3:28:53 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: Baraonda
First off, no one can kill God. If He exists, then He is untouchable. And, if He doesn't exist, well, He's untouchable also.

Second, while some of Western Culture can be attributed to Christianity, pre-Christian cultures have also informed what is now Western Culture: there is, of course, the influence of the Jews (who are not Christian); but you cannot discount the Romans (constitutional government, the rule of law), or the Greeks (mathematics, engineering, the concept of research, the roots of modern medicine [think Galen], military organization and drill). Indeed, one can accurately claim that Christianity actually stifled Western Civilization for centuries until the re-emergence of classical thought in the Rennaissance.

415 posted on 05/25/2005 3:30:52 PM PDT by Junior (“Even if you are one-in-a-million, there are still 6,000 others just like you.”)
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To: jwalsh07
After some searching, I found a definitive statement by Dawkins on his politics. He says he voted Liberal Democrat in the last election.

The Lib. Dems are not Marxists. They are part of the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe (formerly European Liberal Democrat and Reform) group in the European Parliament, which includes the German FDP. They're considered to be old-fashioned free-market liberals (not liberals in the American sense). The British LibDems are probably towards the left of the ALDE, but calling them Marxists is just asinine.

416 posted on 05/25/2005 3:31:42 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: jwalsh07
Dawkins views on religion are marxist.

On a superficial level I suppose. Marx thought religion was a tool of the ruling classes to keep the workers pacified. Do you think Dawkins subscribes to this conspiracy?

It is irrelevant anyway...just because someone is anti-religion doesn't at all suggest he is a marxist. Several on this forum have strong views against religion, does that make them marxists? Your argument is silly. The philosophy of Marx entails a lot more than atheism.

417 posted on 05/25/2005 3:32:21 PM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: King Prout
Filk Music
418 posted on 05/25/2005 3:33:11 PM PDT by Junior (“Even if you are one-in-a-million, there are still 6,000 others just like you.”)
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To: js1138
I thought those with faith do not believe dead is dead.

Yeah, I know. A shame you have so little understanding of people of faith.

We, us luddite creationists, believe that when our bodies die we can no longer pick up arms against the "suppressors". We also believe that our souls are eternal. And so it goes.

419 posted on 05/25/2005 3:33:51 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Right Wing Professor

Whats assinine is you resorting to calling me a liar when the fact of the matter is that Dawkins' views on religion are marxist. His economic views are leftist. His views on the jihadists are a freaking disgrace.


420 posted on 05/25/2005 3:37:14 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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