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Creationism: God's gift to the ignorant (Religion bashing alert)
Times Online UK ^ | May 21, 2005 | Richard Dawkins

Posted on 05/25/2005 3:41:22 AM PDT by billorites

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To: TomB
I was not implying the evidence for evolutionism was weak. In fact it is very strong. I was not saying that science doesn't change, I know it does. However at the time it was believed the evidence was considered strong that the earth was flat. Science had to change however when man learned different. If scientist much more knowledgeable than me were so certain of evolution it would be scientific law not scientific theory.
81 posted on 05/25/2005 7:10:34 AM PDT by armymarinedad (Character makes you draw a line in the dirt.)
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To: kinsman redeemer

Is there no poetry in your soul? God gave all of us both rational, linear mental abilities and non-rational imaginative mental abilities, and I firmly believe that we are meant to use both. To allow one to cancel out the other is to live an impoverished life.


82 posted on 05/25/2005 7:10:35 AM PDT by walden
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To: From many - one.
The fat that man is imperfect requires that there be errors either in transcribing or interpreting the bible. It is hubris to think otherwise.

So the Bible is imperfect? And since God inspired it, God is imperfect?

83 posted on 05/25/2005 7:10:50 AM PDT by N. Theknow (BXVI - The cafeteria is closed.)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
I'm merely pointing out that the same people who believe that every change in the environment is "destroying the delicate balance of nature" also believe in the evolution of life to adapt to changes in the environment.

So you haven't heard about the worship of the goddess Gaia?

Environmentalisim is as much a religion as any. Just because it's the religion of many in the media, don't mistake it as "science".

And there are plenty of climatoligists that dispute global warming. And plenty of scientists who would relish the chance to study the evolutionary changes it would bring about if GW turns out to be true.

84 posted on 05/25/2005 7:12:06 AM PDT by narby (Ignorance is God’s gift to Kansas.)
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To: Oztrich Boy
Is ad hominem the best you've got?

I'm simply pointing out that anyone who claims that dawkins is friendly to religion in general and only unfirendly to the doctrine of creationism, is lying.

Dawkins is a committed and doctrinaire atheist.

85 posted on 05/25/2005 7:12:38 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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86 posted on 05/25/2005 7:13:31 AM PDT by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: armymarinedad
However at the time it was believed the evidence was considered strong that the earth was flat.

Briefly delurking to say, When was that then? Which scientists believed that the world was flat? What evidence led them to that conclusion? I ask because this particular claim is often made by those who wish to have the option to reject current scientific evidence, yet I have never seen the slightest evidence that any scientists ever believed that the world is flat.

87 posted on 05/25/2005 7:14:27 AM PDT by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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To: VadeRetro

"I tend to call ID the UNscience.


I prefer "NON-science", which if you say it quickily comes out "Nonsense".


88 posted on 05/25/2005 7:15:06 AM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: AndrewC

Fine. I can agree with that. However, how do you define the beginning? If the "beginning" included all the processes science says led to the creation of the heavens and the earth, such as the big bang, the stellar development, and the planetary accretion that formed the earth, then I agree. Using modern science, it's even possible to make the case that six literal days is not inconsistent with these processes. It just requires the realization that time measurement is dependent on the reference frame. The reference frame of the universe immediately after the big bang would have been one in which a large gravitational field is present. Such large gravitational fields result in large time dilations, meaning that six days measured in that frame of reference could appear to be billions of years from our low-gravity reference frame. My question is this, if God is powerful enough to have created everything instantly just by speaking, why did it take Him six days? Why not just create everything instantly? The fact that God created everything over some time period, indicates that the processes described by modern science are not incompatible with the Scriptures.


89 posted on 05/25/2005 7:16:44 AM PDT by stremba
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To: walden

The Song of Solomon is great poetry.


90 posted on 05/25/2005 7:16:45 AM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: ArGee
super-naturalistic researchers

There are such people? Besides Biblical scholars, that is.

Are they working on the God-o-meter, so they can tell where He is or what He want's us to do. Just ask the God-o-meter a question and a little light tells us what God thinks.

Sorry, I just don't think science and technology mix well with faith. That's the whole fly in the ointment of "ID", which is seeking to make the study of Christianity a recognized science.

91 posted on 05/25/2005 7:18:22 AM PDT by narby (Ignorance is God’s gift to Kansas.)
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To: patriot_wes

"The Bottom line is really quite simple....
(1)Do you believe in a creator God and the words & teachings He's given us in His book? (2)Or do you choose not to believe."

No exactly so simple. I do believe the God of Abraham gave us His Word in the Bible. That said, I do not necessarily believe the anti-evolutionists are reading the Genesis correctly.


92 posted on 05/25/2005 7:18:55 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: ThinkPlease
As far as the ICR and AIG go, it is very well documented that 99.9% of the time, if they quote a scientific paper, they will do so out of context, and once one looks at the context of the paper, it will be completely different than what the ICR or AIG author quotes them as saying. It is not hypocrisy to point this out. It is the truth.

And "correcting" a quote, essetially employing the same tactics that you denounce (rightly) strengthens your position and enhances the clarity of the debate? Now I am really curious about that thought process.

93 posted on 05/25/2005 7:20:12 AM PDT by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat [Born in California, Texan by the Grace of God.])
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To: Tantumergo
["Science depends on an objective study of verifiable phenomena."]

This is precisely why Dawkins' faith in evolution is not science.

You forgot to include the part of your post where you actually supported your ludicrous belief.

Evolution is science, and is based on "objective study of verifiable phenomena", no matter what the creationist propaganda may have said to the contrary.

94 posted on 05/25/2005 7:21:35 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Thatcherite
Confirmed Thatcherite sighting!
95 posted on 05/25/2005 7:22:33 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: narby
You must be mistaking me for someone else.

So you haven't heard about the worship of the goddess Gaia? Environmentalisim is as much a religion as any. Just because it's the religion of many in the media, don't mistake it as "science".

All that pretty much goes without saying here on FR, doesn't it? That's pretty much a core belief of any conservative who pays attention to the Global Warming hysteria.
96 posted on 05/25/2005 7:23:11 AM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the Rats in terror before me.)
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To: armymarinedad
If scientist much more knowledgeable than me were so certain of evolution it would be scientific law not scientific theory.

Is there any evidence of evolution that would make it a "law"?

97 posted on 05/25/2005 7:23:26 AM PDT by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: VadeRetro

we are talking about fallible humans, both sides, I am not getting into the tit for tat.


all you have done is push back "miracles" in time. "laws" (lawgiver??), "life" (life giver). to the point where you can rationalize away a miracle subtitute it with "first cause" and suggest its not about it. however, if a first cause miracle can happen, whould there be any reason for there not to be more.






98 posted on 05/25/2005 7:24:05 AM PDT by flevit
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To: wideawake
Watch all the so-called conservatives who will applaud this raging leftist assh*le as he bashes Kansans.

I for one applaud his article.

99 posted on 05/25/2005 7:24:06 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: PatrickHenry

Its alright, now I'm not addicted I can keep myself to just one post. That was a demonstration..... Oh No, what am I doing? AAARRGGGHHHH!!!


100 posted on 05/25/2005 7:24:18 AM PDT by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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