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Kerry's dodges (Form 180)
Washington Times ^ | 5-25-05 | Greg Pierce

Posted on 05/25/2005 6:36:37 AM PDT by kahoutek

Kerry's dodges "At this point, it comes as no surprise. John Kerry is releasing all his military records — but then again, he isn't," Boston Globe columnist Joan Vennochi writes.

"During an interview [Monday] with Globe editorial writers and columnists, the former Democratic presidential nominee was asked if [he] had signed Form SF 180, authorizing the Department of Defense to grant access to all his military records." the columnist said.

" 'I have signed it,' Kerry said. Then, he added that his staff was 'still going through it' and 'very, very shortly, you will have a chance to see it.' "The devil is usually in the details. With Kerry, it's also in the dodges and digressions. After the interview, Kerry's communications director, David Wade, was asked to clarify when Kerry signed SF 180 and when public access would be granted. Kerry first said he would sign Form 180 when pressed by Tim Russert during a Jan. 30 appearance on 'Meet the Press.' "Six months after Kerry's loss to George W. Bush, it feels somewhat gratuitous to point out how hard it can be to get a clear, straight answer from Kerry on this and other matters. But as long as the Massachusetts senator is thinking about another presidential run, the candor gap remains on the table, because he puts it there."

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: form108; kerrydefeat; kerrystinks; leftistlies; medicalrecord
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"I signed form 180 before I decided not to sign form 180.
1 posted on 05/25/2005 6:36:37 AM PDT by kahoutek
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To: kahoutek

He blames his staff, the same way he blamed the Secret Service agent who tripped him on the slopes during the campaign...


2 posted on 05/25/2005 6:38:27 AM PDT by IncPen (There's nothing that a liberal can't improve using your money...)
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To: kahoutek

I signed it. But I'm not going to submit it. There, Ive fulfilled my promise. Wanna see it?.........


3 posted on 05/25/2005 6:38:50 AM PDT by Red Badger (I woke up this morning and discovered my Memory Foam mattress had Alzheimer's......)
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To: kahoutek
Six months after Kerry's loss to George W. Bush, it feels somewhat gratuitous to point out how hard it can be to get a clear, straight answer from Kerry on this and other matters.

This guy is just now noticing this?

4 posted on 05/25/2005 6:40:01 AM PDT by Thermalseeker
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To: kahoutek

After having dodged all those bullets in Cambodia, he has become an expert at dodging. He will send that 180 as soon as he gets a round tuit.


5 posted on 05/25/2005 6:40:40 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: Red Badger

If he doess submit it, the results will be redacted, and subject to fire, wind, rain and pestulence.


6 posted on 05/25/2005 6:40:43 AM PDT by lawdude (Liberalism is a mental disease.)
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To: lawdude

His signing must first meet a "World Test".


7 posted on 05/25/2005 6:42:34 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: kahoutek; IncPen; Red Badger
" 'I have signed it,' Kerry said. Then, he added that his staff was 'still going through it' and 'very, very shortly, you will have a chance to see it.' "The devil is usually in the details.

Does this dork have the ability to alter his military records? I hope someone is watching his staff "going through" them.... Something about Sandy Berger comes to mind.

8 posted on 05/25/2005 6:42:41 AM PDT by demkicker (We were nuked by 7 RINOS)
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To: kahoutek

Brit Hume nailed this POS last night on FOX. Was hillarious. What a dork - thank god he isn't in the White House.


9 posted on 05/25/2005 6:44:22 AM PDT by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: kahoutek
'I have signed it,' Kerry said. Then, he added that his staff was 'still going through it' and 'very, very shortly, you will have a chance to see it.'

Yup, still a liar. Things never change.

10 posted on 05/25/2005 6:44:29 AM PDT by chapin2500 (Howard Deans eyes are to close together.)
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To: demkicker; lawdude

Weren't alot of files from that era destroyed in the fire at the St Louis records center?


11 posted on 05/25/2005 6:44:29 AM PDT by kahoutek
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To: lawdude
'still going through it'

Yep, a signature on a gov't form requires at least a full office staff to revue. :-)

12 posted on 05/25/2005 6:46:06 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: kahoutek

Yeah he signed it, along with his letter of support for the Cape Wind offshore wind farm.


13 posted on 05/25/2005 6:46:07 AM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: kahoutek
Weren't alot of files from that era destroyed in the fire at the St Louis records center?

I dunno. It wouldn't surprise me if Kerry's were missing except you'd think he would have been happy to bring the fire up since he got pounded for not signing Form 180 during the campaign.

14 posted on 05/25/2005 6:50:19 AM PDT by demkicker (We were nuked by 7 RINOS)
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To: demkicker

His lawyers can't read a 3 page govt form in 30 minutes (with only 1 page to fill out)?


15 posted on 05/25/2005 6:50:25 AM PDT by ampat
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To: kahoutek

16 posted on 05/25/2005 6:50:51 AM PDT by raivyn (ATTENTION: My /sarcasm is broken - please don't take ANYTHING I say personally!)
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To: IncPen
Why does his staff need to review his military records? This immediately implies that they are going to withhold info in those records. Wasn't that the problem in the first place?
17 posted on 05/25/2005 6:51:18 AM PDT by Conservative Infidel (Only thing harder to find in US Senate these days than a Dem w/ a conscience is a Rep w/ a spine.)
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To: raivyn

That's him..............chickenman.


18 posted on 05/25/2005 6:53:04 AM PDT by kahoutek
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To: kahoutek
'I have signed it,' Kerry said. Then, he added that his staff was 'still going through it' and 'very, very shortly, you will have a chance to see it.'

Now you see it!


Now you don't!

19 posted on 05/25/2005 6:54:29 AM PDT by hflynn
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To: kahoutek

He chooses NOW to do a 180 on the 180?


20 posted on 05/25/2005 6:55:17 AM PDT by RightResponse (What if the Left, just got up and .....)
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To: lawdude
...pestulence...

Combination of pestilence and flatulence?

21 posted on 05/25/2005 6:55:29 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ampat

Staaaaaalllllllling! Do you know if they can go through his records first before signing the release form?


22 posted on 05/25/2005 6:56:26 AM PDT by demkicker (We were nuked by 7 RINOS)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
"On Friday, May 20, Kerry obtained a copy of Form 180 and signed it."

Tonk, I love that little detail about them "obtaining" a form. How many have you personally sent to them? 10,000? a fax a day? boxes of them? and you're not the only one. I can picture them hunting around the office, "now where is that form 180? Hey, has anyone seen a form one-eight-oh?" What a bunch of maroons.

And now he's signed it but he hasn't submitted it. WTF? Has Mama T's astrologer told him to wait for an auspicious day or something?

23 posted on 05/25/2005 6:56:46 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (NEWSWEEK LIED, PEOPLE DIED)
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To: hflynn; RightResponse

Good ones, you two!


24 posted on 05/25/2005 6:57:31 AM PDT by demkicker (We were nuked by 7 RINOS)
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To: kahoutek; All

His staff "is going through it", which most likely actually means that his staff has gone through Kerry's actual military record and Kerry signed a form 180 which was annotated so as to identify the specific records that Kerry is agreeing to release, and no others. You can be sure that there is no way that Kerry will allow his absolute complete military records to be released. What we need is a congressional authorization for the Commander In Chief to direct the Pentagon to release them all, for the benefit of the nation; and prior to the 2008 election compaign.


25 posted on 05/25/2005 6:58:53 AM PDT by Wuli (The democratic basis of the constitution is "we the people" not "we the court".)
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To: kahoutek

Department document summarizing Kerry's military career posted on johnkerry.com, includes a "Silver Star with combat V."

But according to a U.S. Navy spokesman, "Kerry's record is incorrect. The Navy has never issued a 'combat V' to anyone for a Silver Star."

Naval regulations do not allow for the use of a "combat V" for the Silver Star, the third-highest decoration the Navy awards. None of the other services has ever granted a Silver Star "combat V," either.


Then there is this:

Kerry's Web site also lists two different citations for the Silver Star. One was issued by the commander in chief of the Pacific Command (CINCPAC), Adm. John Hyland. The other, issued by Secretary of the Navy John Lehman during the Reagan administration, contained some revisions and additional language. "By his brave actions, bold initiative, and unwavering devotion to duty, Lieutenant (j.g.) Kerry reflected great credit upon himself...
But a third citation exists that appears to be the earliest. And it is not on the Kerry campaign Web site. It was issued by Vice Adm. Elmo Zumwalt, commander of U.S. naval forces in Vietnam. This citation lacks the language in the Hyland citation or that added by the Lehman version, but includes another 170 words in a detailed description of Kerry's attack on a Viet Cong ambush, his killing of an enemy soldier carrying a loaded rocket launcher, as well as military equipment captured and a body count of dead enemy.

Maj. Anthony Milavic, a retired Marine Vietnam veteran, calls the issuance of three citations for the same medal "bizarre." Milavic hosts Milinet, an Internet forum popular with the military community that is intended "to provide a forum in military/political affairs."

Mr. Kerry, we ask you not to repeat the same mistake you made when you returned from war: Please stop maligning your fellow veterans. Dealing with us should be easy. Just answer our charges. Produce your Vietnam journal and notes, and execute Standard Form 180 so the American people can see your complete military record--not just the few forms you put on your website or show to campaign biographers.


He could end all this by just releasing the records.


26 posted on 05/25/2005 6:59:36 AM PDT by Beth528
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To: Piquaboy

OK, John-boy, here it is. No more excuses. Get to signing!

27 posted on 05/25/2005 7:01:05 AM PDT by Fresh Wind
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To: kahoutek

"A fire at the NPRC in St. Louis on July 12, 1973, destroyed about 80 percent of the records for Army personnel discharged between November 1, 1912, and January 1, 1960. Approximately 75 percent of the records for Air Force personnel with surnames from "Hubbard" through "Z" discharged between September 25, 1947, and January 1, 1964, were also destroyed."
So Kerry's records are not involved.
from: http://www.veterans.state.ny.us/faq/faqservicerecords.htm


28 posted on 05/25/2005 7:01:16 AM PDT by ProudVet77 (Warning: Frequent sarcastic posts)
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To: kahoutek
'I have signed it,' Kerry said. Then, he added that his staff was 'still going through it' and 'very, very shortly, you will have a chance to see it.'

It shouldn’t take long, Hanoi John wasn’t in all that long.
Of course, finding a way to hide possible Article 31 investigations, a less than honorable discharge …
29 posted on 05/25/2005 7:01:36 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: kahoutek
LOL
Can't have a sKerry thread without pictures!
What would be the fun in that?


30 posted on 05/25/2005 7:04:01 AM PDT by raivyn (ATTENTION: My /sarcasm is broken - please don't take ANYTHING I say personally!)
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To: hflynn

LOL Good one!


31 posted on 05/25/2005 7:05:15 AM PDT by raivyn (ATTENTION: My /sarcasm is broken - please don't take ANYTHING I say personally!)
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To: Fenris6
Brit Hume nailed this POS last night on FOX. Was hillarious. What a dork - thank god he isn't in the White House.

What did Brit say and why did it come up? Thanks.

32 posted on 05/25/2005 7:06:33 AM PDT by fdcc
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To: kahoutek

33 posted on 05/25/2005 7:08:27 AM PDT by pookie18 (Clinton Happens!)
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To: kahoutek

....." his staff was 'still going through it' "......

" I'll release everything thats in my files. To get the rest of it, you'll have to talk to Sandy Burgler"


34 posted on 05/25/2005 7:09:50 AM PDT by aShepard
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To: hflynn

That's great!


35 posted on 05/25/2005 7:11:32 AM PDT by ctlpdad
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To: DuncanWaring
...pestulence...

Combination of pestilence and flatulence?

A plague of farts.

36 posted on 05/25/2005 7:12:54 AM PDT by ctlpdad
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To: kahoutek
Once again, Kerry drops the ball.


37 posted on 05/25/2005 7:14:00 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: kahoutek

"It wasn't my 180 I signed, it belonged to the guy who asked me to throw his metals over the Whitehouse fence." /s


38 posted on 05/25/2005 7:18:01 AM PDT by vipervomit (gun control means being able to hit your target!)
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To: kahoutek

Quit fooling yourselves. This b@stard is never going to open his records to anyone. Just like Hitlery can't find her missing Rose Law Firm documents, or Sandy Burgler had nothing of importance shoved down his pants.

Never forget; we're dealing with a sociopath, here! ;)


39 posted on 05/25/2005 7:18:57 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: DuncanWaring

"Combination of pestilence and flatulence?"

Bad keyboard. Bad...bad!


40 posted on 05/25/2005 7:24:45 AM PDT by lawdude (Liberalism is a mental disease.)
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To: kahoutek

He signed it and then locked it in a desk drawer, thereby fulfilling his pledge to Tim Russert that he'd sign it.


41 posted on 05/25/2005 7:25:21 AM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: Fenris6

42 posted on 05/25/2005 7:25:42 AM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: kahoutek

I wonder what would happpen if someone forged Kerry's signature on the form and mailed it in? Since Kerry's said he signed it, would anyone bother checking before they sent out his records?


43 posted on 05/25/2005 7:29:05 AM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: kahoutek

"If only....If only............" If only John McCain had run as kerry's VP!!! We could have put both Vietnam "moral" fatalities behind us.


44 posted on 05/25/2005 7:32:31 AM PDT by stitches1951 (Support the RNC with $0.00 check today, tomorrow there may be no GOP!)
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To: fdcc

"What did Brit say and why did it come up? Thanks"

Basically he equated Kerry's latest equivocation with "the check is in the mail". He provided a short timeline history of the form-180 follies that revealed what a weasel Kerry really is.


45 posted on 05/25/2005 7:34:04 AM PDT by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: Fenris6
thanks Kerry for keeping my tagline alive
46 posted on 05/25/2005 7:37:13 AM PDT by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: Fenris6; cardinal4

Does not "very shortly you will see it" smack of Clinton's "sooner rather than later, more rather than less?" Birds of a feather.


47 posted on 05/25/2005 7:41:59 AM PDT by Ax (You've got to hand it to Venus de Milo.)
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To: Ax

"Birds of a feather"

He could only wish. I'm no fan of Clinton, but he could gab better than the best. By comparison, Kerry's evasions are pathetic.


48 posted on 05/25/2005 7:48:42 AM PDT by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: lawdude
If he doess submit it, the results will be redacted, and subject to fire, wind, rain and pestulence.

and . . . subjected to a list of puppet master team's 'reconstructive evidence' team's efforts AND

the digestive tracts of a pack of pit bulls who

'just happened' to

eat his homework form 180.

49 posted on 05/25/2005 7:48:57 AM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: demkicker

"Does this dork have the ability to alter his military records?"

There's speculation that Kerry got an OTH and had Carter upgrade it to Honorable. The Swifties have the scoop but help off releasing it b/c it was too close to election day and the general public is too ignorant of the Military to understand the ramifications. Too much potential for a backfire.

But we'll see. If Kerry thinks he can run for office the way he did last time, he's in for a world of dissapointment. Unlike his Cambodia Hoax, it truly will be "seared" into his memory.


50 posted on 05/25/2005 7:54:04 AM PDT by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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