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Dutch Judge: Mohammed isn't a pedophile
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Posted on 05/25/2005 7:41:53 AM PDT by Alex Marko

To day judge R. Paris ruled in the court case against Ayaan Hirsi Ali that she did not acted unlawfully when she talked about the Islam and Mohammed. A group of Muslims had started the trial to forbid her of speaking about the Islam, Mohammed and to forbid the sequel of submission. The judge said he has no indication that Hirsi Ali did grieve the Islamic people on purpose:

"[Hirsi Ali] chooses in her struggle against women suppression an maltreatment consciously for a method that stimulates debate about Islam reform"

But amazingly the judge also warned Hirsi Ali to be careful when she makes statements about the prophet. Hirsi Ali had in a newspaper interview said that according to our current norms and values the prophet was a "perverse tyrant" and a "pedophile". Judge Paris questions, "if it was needed to use these words".

"It looks like if [Hirsi Ali] with the use of these words has sought the limits of the permissible. The term pedophile has been chosen unfortunate because for that there would be the need of a pattern, although it is in the story an one time event".

Judge Paris said that she did not break the law when she said it, but that would be questionable if she would repeat saying it. The lawyer of the Muslims says that she has been warned and that she received a red ticket. But Hirsi Ali, later said on Radio 1 that the Dutch language is a rich language and she will find other words. I will use other words for the same event: "I still find it morally wrong". But she also said she has no intention to start bashing Islam or Mohammed.

The Muslims have appealed the case.

But there is more... But that is not all the news around Hirsi Ali today. Integration Minister Verdonk was special guest for the national tree-planting day. She could not go to the event and send Hirsi Ali as her replacement to the 49th national tree-planting day with the theme: "Sow Peace". Hirsi talked to the organization and they where very happy to receive her. She also looked forward to it, because it would be her first public appearance since the murder on Theo van Gogh.

But today burgomaster J.J.M. Som forbids her coming to his city. He declared he could not guarantee her safety: "I do not take that responsibility". But after some political fall-out, he now seems to deny that and says that the organization does not want her to come. He is not available for comments on the affair, because at this very moment he is having a birthday party. But Hirsi Ali says the organization was very positive about her coming.

It turns out, that of the 600 school children not all are local school children they also invited children of an Islamic school out of the city of Heerlen and from an Egyptian school from the city of Amsterdam. And the Egyptian ambassador is invited....

Sight. I think PeakTalk is right in saying he expects that Hirsi Ali will probably continue her career in the USA. He is not the first one to suggest this; friends of her already predicted an international career as well. Many liberal colleagues also want to get rid of her and she knows that. She could be leaving sooner then any one in The Netherlands expects.

On TV But Hirsi Ali revealed more in talk show "Barend en van dorp" (former football commentators who now do politics). For example that she is still waiting for normal housing. The civil servants of Donner want her first to sign a lengthy tennet contract. They say they want to do this right because otherwise they could get troubles in the future, for giving her to luxurious housing for to little money. If Hirsi Ali does not sign the contract, she does not get normal housing. Does a bit sound like extortion doesn't it?

At this moment she still is moved around the country and often does not know where she will sleep that night. She also cannot receive friends where she stays. Even when they forced her to go into hiding in the USA, they did not allow her friends to visit her, because that was deemed to dangerous.

When the talk show hosts ask how it is to live like that, with all those dead threats. She says, it is like being diagnosed as having a terminal disease and the doctor tells you that he does not know how long you have. And when asked about the future she says: "you have to make the best of life while you live".

But she was also the liberal politician. She ignored questions about former liberal (VVD) leader Hans Wiegel who wants to take the leadership of the party and who wants her out. But did talk about Wilders - declaration of independence. As a real liberal (VVD) she ridiculed it, as not being constructive and realistic.

Although she agrees with Wilders, that no Islamic schools should be allowed to be founded in The Netherlands. By this she seems to be positioned as the Muslim critical voice of the liberal party that can keep liberal voters in the party that do not feel comfortable with the rest of Wilders his capitalistic free market ideas, that many deride as extreme. She could be the lifeline of the liberal party.


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1 posted on 05/25/2005 7:41:54 AM PDT by Alex Marko
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To: Alex Marko
All turban, no jihad.

2 posted on 05/25/2005 7:44:36 AM PDT by evets (God bless President Bush and VP Cheney)
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To: Alex Marko

So now in the Netherlands one can rape a child once and not be considered a pedophile?


3 posted on 05/25/2005 7:44:47 AM PDT by thoughtomator (The U.S. Constitution poses no serious threat to our form of government)
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To: Alex Marko

The idea that a court in a "free" country can forbid someone from discussing a topic is chilling.


4 posted on 05/25/2005 7:46:51 AM PDT by Sthitch
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To: Alex Marko
But today burgomaster J.J.M. Som

Ummm. what's a "burgomaster" ???

5 posted on 05/25/2005 7:49:36 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Alex Marko
" The term pedophile has been chosen unfortunate because for that there would be the need of a pattern, although it is in the story an one time event."

So judge Paris here would be OK if someone molested his child just once or twice but not enough to be seen as a pattern.

6 posted on 05/25/2005 7:49:38 AM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: Alex Marko

All your pedophiles are belong to Allah !!! ;-))


7 posted on 05/25/2005 7:50:30 AM PDT by GeekDejure ("That may be too late!" -- Laura)
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To: Alex Marko

TOP EIGHT REASONS NOT TO IMMIGRATE TO CANADA



8. Discriminatory and Dishonest Immigration System.
Immigration to Canada is based on a point system, obtained with your education, qualifications and job experience. Points are good enough for immigration, but in Canada, they are not good enough to get a job in your field. Amazing, how the credentials that qualify you to come to Canada are the same credentials that don't qualify you for your profession in Canada. The reason is, Canada only wants immigrants to do the labor jobs - pizza delivery, driving taxis, factory work etc.

7. Out Of Control Cost Of Living.
From rent, to utility bills, to shopping, to phone, internet and cable bills, to gas, to car insurance, to eating out, to basically anything you have to pay for or buy, the cost of living in Canada has become astronomical. Recent immigrants are astonished as to how expensive everything is. It is estimated that compared to most countries around the world, the cost of living in Canada is on average five times greater.

6. Health Care Crisis.
Practicing physicians in Canada are in a shortage, 1 in 4 Canadians cannot get a family doctor. Canadian doctors are leaving to move permanently to the United States. Statistics Canada and the Canadian Medical Association both have identified that for every 1 American doctor that moves to Canada, 19 (nineteen) Canadian doctors move to the United States! Doctors in Canada are overworked and underpaid, and there is a cap on their salaries.

5. Very High Taxes.
Yes, you have the GST, the PST, totaling 15%, on practically everything you purchase and many other taxes taken out of our weekly paycheck. You have to pay a whopping amount to the government, out of your hard earned salary, so that the government can turn around and give it to beer drinking, hockey watching welfare bums. Fair? It does not matter, it's Canada.

4. Money Hungry Government.
Canadian Embassies around the world lie to foreigners, painting this picture that Canada is Utopia, because they want foreigners to come to Canada. Why? Because foreigners bring money! So after being deceived, these foreigners come. They must bring with them at least $10,000. Canada has an immigration quota of 250,000 per year. So please do the math, 250,000 multiplied by $10,000 each equals a whopping 2.5 Billion dollars that Canada gains from immigrants every year.

3. No Culture.
Unlike almost every other country in the world, Canada has no culture. Actually American culture is what dominates Canada. When was the last time you had some 'Canadian' food? There are no Canadian traditions and there is no national identity. What does it even mean to call yourself a 'Canadian'. . .nothing really. People living in Canada, still identify themselves as to where they 'originally' came from.

2. Worst Weather.
Yes, Canada has the worst weather conditions of any country in the world. Freezing cold temperatures, snow, ice, hail, winds, storms etc. From the Prairie provinces to the Maritimes, from the Territories to southern Ontario, the weather is so horrific and disgusting that many Canadians leave Canada simply because of this reason alone.

1. No Jobs.
Yes, coast to coast, there are no jobs. Immigrants are highly qualified (MD's, PhD's, Lawyers, Engineers etc.) but they are driving taxi cabs, delivering pizza's or working in factories. Even people with bachelors degrees from Canadian Universities cannot find jobs after graduation. This is the tragedy associated with immigration to Canada. I feel sorry for those immigrants who are stuck in Canada for the rest of their lives. It is indeed a very sad and hopeless future.


8 posted on 05/25/2005 7:52:20 AM PDT by canuck3000
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To: Alex Marko
Mohammad wasn't a profit, he was a scam artist and pervert to boot. The weakness of islam is demonstrated by the irrationality of its sycophants. They are such weaklings they need there pervert's ramblings to control their women.

The promise of a bacon bit into each muzzie corpse. That way they'll know they're gonna meet mo in hell.

9 posted on 05/25/2005 7:53:18 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: evets

That man's rifle is point straight at a very vulnerable place.

Hope he doesn't fall off his cycle. Then he will be all turban and no...well, never mind.


10 posted on 05/25/2005 7:53:23 AM PDT by squarebarb
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To: Alex Marko
Mohammed isn't a pedophile

Bull$^&%!

THE PEDOPHILE PIRATE

11 posted on 05/25/2005 7:53:30 AM PDT by OXENinFLA ("And that [Atomic] bomb is a filibuster" ~~~ Sen. Lieberman 1-4-95)
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To: squarebarb

is point=is pointing


12 posted on 05/25/2005 7:53:48 AM PDT by squarebarb
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To: Alex Marko
To day judge R. Paris ruled in the court case against Ayaan Hirsi Ali that she did not acted unlawfully when she talked about the Islam and Mohammed. A group of Muslims had started the trial to forbid her of speaking about the Islam, Mohammed and to forbid the sequel of submission. The judge said he has no indication that Hirsi Ali did grieve the Islamic people on purpose..

I thinks I are to became a journalist since verb tense no longer be necessary.
13 posted on 05/25/2005 7:54:02 AM PDT by Millee (So you're a feminist......isn't that cute??)
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To: Alex Marko
It appears the Muslims have Hirsi Ali on the run and mean to force her out of the country and the Dutch are either ambivialent or in agreement.

It is only a matter of time before the jihadists get to her.

14 posted on 05/25/2005 7:55:08 AM PDT by Gritty ("Before you can say I believe in Allah you must put everybody's god in the dustbin-Sheikh Abu Hamza)
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To: canuck3000

That is a great way to shake the Canada tree ;)


15 posted on 05/25/2005 7:58:29 AM PDT by thebaron512
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To: Alex Marko

Is freedom of the press and speech alive in the Netherlands?


16 posted on 05/25/2005 7:58:42 AM PDT by quadrant
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To: thoughtomator

It's just a matter of time before this kind of defence makes it to the Supreme Court. Some judges will see this as "international law" and a pedophile will walk.


17 posted on 05/25/2005 8:02:42 AM PDT by Mr. Keys
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To: Alex Marko
Dutch Judge: Mohammed isn't a pedophile

Not any more. He's dead, Jim.

18 posted on 05/25/2005 8:11:17 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Have you visited http://c-pol.blogspot.com?)
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To: Alex Marko; Cornpone

This article has me confused. Now is it the same Mohammed as the "prophet"?

Technically, if he has fu**ed a 9-year-old, doesn't it make him a paedophile?

Netherlands, hand me my red card!


19 posted on 05/25/2005 8:21:44 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: avg_freeper
It must be in NL that you get one free rape and then the law applies. It may be one rape or two sodomies whichever comes first.
20 posted on 05/25/2005 8:28:29 AM PDT by Old North State
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To: Alex Marko
"It looks like if [Hirsi Ali] with the use of these words has sought the limits of the permissible. The term pedophile has been chosen unfortunate because for that there would be the need of a pattern, although it is in the story an one time event".

So let me get this straight, the judge is now on record in admitting that Muhammad was a child rapist, but since there aren't records of a series of children pedophile isn't the appropriate term? But does a pedophile only become so after multiple child rapes?

21 posted on 05/25/2005 8:34:26 AM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: thoughtomator

Apparently so, as long as it was a one time occurence. Pedophillia requires multiple instances under Dutch law. Maybe I should go there and see how many red cards I can collect for saying it.


22 posted on 05/25/2005 8:47:58 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: canuck3000
TOP EIGHT REASONS NOT TO IMMIGRATE TO CANADA 8. Discriminatory and Dishonest Immigration System.

Anyone with $$$ can get landed immigrant status fairly easily. A lot of folks from Hong Kong have made their home in B.C. this way. In many cases immigrants are told where they must live as the paperwork is processed, this actually helps spread the immigration burden around a bit. Instead of everybody piling into Toronto and Vancover, some will wind up in Saskatcewan or northern Alberta. I think that system could work better here, rather than making California and Arizona bear so much of the cost and change. There are dying towns in Iowa that might just do fine with a bunch of new immigrants.

7. Out Of Control Cost Of Living.

As with the U.S., it depends completely on where you are. eating out in Vancouver was MUCH cheaper than Seattle. Rents in Edmonton are not staggeringly high. Cars cost more than the U.S., but not more than in Europe or the pacific rim.

6. Health Care Crisis.
There are definite problems here. The doctors tend to lord it over the patients. Some areas fare better than others, and there will always be some problems with a country with as much rural areas as Canada.



5. Very High Taxes.

High, but varies widely. Alberta has very low provincial taxes. Overall the prairie provinces overall tax bite is probably less than a typical coastal U.S. city (e.g. NYC, SF) when you throw in property taxes. All of the western countries have abuse problems with welfare.

4. Money Hungry Government.

And that is different from Europe and the rest of the Americas how??? The foreigners with money KNOW what they are getting... stability. The white farmer fleeing from South Africa knows he's not getting Utopia. He knows that he is buying access. It is still a big improvement for him.

3. No Culture.

When was the last time you had some 'Canadian' food? Well, Nanaimo Bars and Tortiere are wonderful treats made by my Canadian wife. Almost all the world's maple syrup comes from Quebec, and more apples come from Canada than the U.S. There certainly is a French-Canadian food tradition, and while its not Paris, it can hold its own against London. There are no Canadian traditions and there is no national identity. What does it even mean to call yourself a 'Canadian'. . .nothing really. People living in Canada, still identify themselves as to where they 'originally' came from.French-Canadians are a distinctive culture. You can see it as distinct from European, because it survives in the Acadians who were sent to the U.S. south. Many Americans also identify themselves by ethnic roots (e.g. Italians and Irish)

2. Worst Weather.

Canada is too large for that to be true. Vancouver Island has some of the best weather in the world, and the prairie provinces, though cold, are at least dry. If you have allergies and cannot deal with an Arizona summer, Alberta or Saskatchewan are better alternatives.

1. No Jobs.

Yes, coast to coast, there are no jobs.

That just isn't true. Canada's economy is largely based on raw materials (lumber, oil, mining etc.) Grande Prarie, Alberta has essentially full employment and guys out of high school can pull $100K+ if they are willing to work hard on dangerous oil rigs.

I am happy to be an American, and Canada is full of problems. The biggest problem, is that the liberals in Ontario and Quebec are calling the shots for Alberta and Saskatchewan. (oh, and Pierre Trudeau ruined the place) The writer's problem, to me, is that he is using the greater Toronto area as a synonym for Canada. Canada is not perfect, but my wife was home-schooled there (try that in Germany), gasoline is half the price that is in Europe (and not much above the U.S. with the stronger Canadaian dollar), if you do not have to be in a big city, land is cheap (my in-laws bought six acres outside of Grande Prairie for under 40K), all of the conveniences of big box stores are available (Wal-Mart, Zellers, Superstore, Safeway), and NUMBER ONE ADVANTAGE OF CANADA: You can get a toilet with more than 1.6 gal/flush!
23 posted on 05/25/2005 8:48:07 AM PDT by sittnick (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: canuck3000

I do agree with most of your post about Canada, but what is the connection with this article from the Netherlands?


24 posted on 05/25/2005 8:51:40 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Alex Marko

I believe Mohammed married a girl of around 6 but did not "consumate" the marriage until she was a few years older. In light of his times does that make him a pedophile? Technically not, but it sure is kind of creepy.

Regardless the real life of Mohammed is largely unknown in the West because most people have never done the research. Muslim scholars that produce anything other than the party line risk having their throats slit and Western Scholars are often politically correct to the point of delusion or simply afraid of the truth. Imagine the results if the same rigor for seeking out the "historic Jesus" was used to explore the "historic Mohammed"? (You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!)

What is scarier, though, is that courts in Holland and Italy have both recently been willing to accept legal action against people for "defaming Islam". The old blasphemy laws are being resurrected in the name of "tolerance" and judges in "free" countries are doing the job that roving gangs of religious thugs do in Muslim lands. That is way more important an issue then some debate about whether the Prophet was in to pre-teen girls.

Someday when the women in Holland have to wear those ugly burlap sacks and men are checked for the length of their beards and anyone who resists is relegated to the status of second class citizen the people of that land and others will wake up and realize what they have lost but it will be too late.


25 posted on 05/25/2005 9:08:30 AM PDT by Polycarp1
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To: Alex Marko
Dutch Judge: Mohammed isn't a pedophile



"Well, duh - not anymore he isn't. He's been dead for, like, 400 years or something!"
26 posted on 05/25/2005 9:14:48 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (The theory of evolution is the great cosmogenic myth of the twentieth century - Michael Denton)
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To: Polycarp1; Fred Nerks

>"I believe Mohammed married a girl of around 6 but did not "consumate" the marriage until she was a few years older. In light of his times does that make him a pedophile? Technically not, but it sure is kind of creepy."<

The girl mo' married was Aisha, the 6 year old daughter of his "close friend" Abu Bakr, who succeeded muhammad as Caliph. Muhammad (pig excrement be upon him) did indeed consummate the "marriage" at 9 lunar years, which works out to 8 years, 8 months. In light of his times, and so on that definitely does make him a cretin, a twisted pervert who knew better and in his crazed lust, simply didn't care!

He had gone to Abu Bakr three times, pleading his case to have the child as his bride. Muhammad claimed a divine dream from allah in which the child was handed to him, swaddled in silk bundles. Abu Bakr, perhaps wisely fearing for his own life, agreed. Arranged marriages were commonplace back then, the prospective couples were usually at least 14 years old, but consummation at any age under 12 was highly irregular and not widely accepted.

There is no comparison between the true Jesus and the real muhammad. Christ was everything He said he was, all He had been prophesied to be. Muhammad was everything that "moderate" Islam has tried to conceal, whitewash, and worse.

For the best,oldest and most reliable info on the paedophile false prophet, see the link on the home page of FReeper 'Fred Nerks'.

A.A.C.


27 posted on 05/25/2005 9:43:45 AM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: Alex Marko

That was on the 15th of March...


28 posted on 05/25/2005 9:43:50 AM PDT by teezle
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To: Izzy Dunne

Mayor.


29 posted on 05/25/2005 9:45:42 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Ah, spring. Such as it is.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
Ummm. what's a "burgomaster" ???

Chief flipper at McDoinalds?

30 posted on 05/25/2005 9:48:17 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not everything that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Alex Marko

Personally, I plan to purchase a copy of the Koran, Quran or whatever they call it this week and use it for toilet paper, one page a day. Words cannot anymore express my contempt for islam and their followers.


31 posted on 05/25/2005 9:49:59 AM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: dpa5923

Self ping for later


32 posted on 05/25/2005 9:54:48 AM PDT by dpa5923 (Small minds talk about people, normal minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas.)
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To: Old Mountain man

Take pictures


33 posted on 05/25/2005 10:03:03 AM PDT by Alex Marko
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To: Alex Marko

I don't want to gross out the entire board.


34 posted on 05/25/2005 10:16:54 AM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Alex Marko

"The lawyer of the Muslims says that she has been warned and that she received a red ticket."

I lost track after awhile. Was this a trial or a soccer game?


35 posted on 05/25/2005 10:20:33 AM PDT by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: Polycarp1

"Regardless the real life of Mohammed is largely unknown in the West because most people have never done the research. Muslim scholars that produce anything other than the party line risk having their throats slit and Western Scholars are often politically correct to the point of delusion or simply afraid of the truth"

So, if the sanitized, approved, acceptable version is that modammed was a pedophile (had sex with at least one young child) ... how much worse is the truth?


36 posted on 05/25/2005 10:50:36 AM PDT by Casekirchen (If allah is just another name for the Judeo-Christian God, why do the islamics pray to a rock?)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Ummm. what's a "burgomaster" ???

Burgomaster = burgermeister = mayor


37 posted on 05/25/2005 11:10:05 AM PDT by rock58seg (RINO"s make the Republicans MINO"s (Majority In Name Only)!)
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To: doc30
Apparently so, as long as it was a one time occurence. Pedophillia requires multiple instances under Dutch law.

Even more so, it seems it's o.k. as long as it's the same child, on a continuing basis.

38 posted on 05/25/2005 11:19:23 AM PDT by rock58seg (RINO"s make the Republicans MINO"s (Majority In Name Only)!)
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To: 68 grunt
he was a scam artist and pervert to boot.

I'm not so sure, I think he may have been following the devil. If you remember, the devil tried to turn Jesus, and failed, but what if he succeeded with Mohammad?

There is a referance in the quran referred to as the "satanic verses" (which is where Salaman Rushdie got the name from for his book). Its a section where Mohammad is "tricked" by the devil.

There are also concerns from himself about the devil.

I think he was fooled and possessed, and thats why this death cult is around today.

39 posted on 05/25/2005 11:20:51 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Old Mountain man
Don't forget the "hadith", it was Mohammad autobiography.

Mohammad himself couldn't read or write, but he did have a biographer follow him around and write down his sayings and teachings, etc.

It carries similiar if not equal weight to the quran.

40 posted on 05/25/2005 11:23:13 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Alex Marko
Kids today, always going on and on about the Islam.
41 posted on 05/25/2005 11:25:01 AM PDT by Xenalyte (End women's suffrage! Hasn't the country suffered enough?)
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To: Sonny M
Actually, I was going to insult Allah by referring to him as Satan, but was afraid I might offend some Christians. I think you're right. Mo willing made the deal with the devil and the death cult is the result. Right on!
42 posted on 05/25/2005 11:25:19 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: All
To read more about the heretic Mohammed (and yes, that is what he was, nothing more) look here:

http://www.ewtn.com/library/HOMELIBR/HERESY4.TXT

As true today as it was when Belloc wrote it. Indeed, the cautions Belloc gave are coming to pass.

43 posted on 05/25/2005 11:32:39 AM PDT by Romish_Papist (The times are out of step with the Catholic Church. God Bless Pope Benedict XVI.)
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To: Old Mountain man

Thats a waste of money.. find printings of it online, print one page of it... make copies of that page... pee on it when doing your business in a public restroom (but wear gloves when handling it God forbid they try to pull prints), then leave it in a visible manner like in the sink by the mirror.

Drive the ragheads crazy and drag em' by the shorthairs!


44 posted on 05/25/2005 1:25:05 PM PDT by Schwaeky (Attention Liberal Catholics---The Caffeteria is officially and permanently CLOSED!)
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To: righttackle44
I guess in countries where soccer is a big deal, (just about everywhere but the US) a red card and a warning are synonymous.
45 posted on 05/25/2005 2:05:57 PM PDT by monday
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To: Alex Marko

"Dutch Judge: Mohammed isn't a pedophile"

Given the fact that the Prophet assumed room temperature long ago, perhaps the judge should have said "Mohammed wasn't a pedophile".

And, given the multi-cultural perspective of the judge, consummating a marriage with a nine year old isn't hard evidence of pedophilia. Just a case of a Muslim being a Muslim.

Can't we just all understand each other? >/sarc off


46 posted on 05/25/2005 2:22:59 PM PDT by GladesGuru
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To: Casekirchen

I agree. If the vigor liberal scholars used to uncover what they believe is the "historic Jesus" were applied to Mohammed I think the world would be truly shocked by the reality of Mohammed's life. Right now Western scholars seem to like Islam because they loath their own cultural roots and that clouds their honesty when dealing with him.


47 posted on 05/25/2005 3:35:50 PM PDT by Polycarp1
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To: righttackle44

When dealing with Islamists, it is well to remember the children's cautionary tale about giving a moose (for us in Alaska) a cookie. Then he'll demand some milk to go with it. Then he's sleepy and demands a bed, and it goes on from there in like manner. Take a lesson from predicament the Europeans find themselves in. I don't think they even understand how it is they got where they are, but they are being dictated to by the Islamists. Once you start caving, it will never stop. Gotta push back - harder.


48 posted on 05/25/2005 3:49:51 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops.)
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To: GladesGuru

Yeah. The article is most certainly translated from Dutch. Tricky thing, translating.


49 posted on 05/25/2005 3:51:32 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops.)
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To: Alex Marko
The term pedophile has been chosen unfortunate because for that there would be the need of a pattern, although it is in the story an one time event".

Is someone who has gay sex once a "homosexual"?

The act sort of confirms it.

50 posted on 05/25/2005 4:18:07 PM PDT by weegee ("Do you want them to write a piece about how great the military is?" Elizabeth Bumiller - NY Times)
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