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Democrats count victory in pact on judicial picks
THE WASHINGTON TIMES ^ | May 25, 2005 | By Stephen Dinan

Posted on 05/25/2005 8:33:25 AM PDT by strategofr

Democratic leaders claimed victory yesterday over the deal senators cut regarding filibusters of judicial nominees, while most Republicans said it violated their principles and conservative activists vowed retribution. "Our republic stands strong. Our Constitution is solid. Our flag flies over a nation that has reaffirmed its faith in freedom," said Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, Nevada Democrat, while Sens. Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat, and Charles E. Schumer, New York Democrat, and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi praised the deal for averting a crisis. But while most Democrats crowed, the Congressional Black Caucus sounded a discordant note. "This deal is more of a capitulation than a compromise," said Rep. Melvin Watt, North Carolina Democrat and caucus chairman...

...Most Republicans were just as despondent about the outcome, though they saw a capitulation on the part of the seven Republicans who joined with seven Democrats to strike a deal. Under the terms, the seven Democrats pledged to grant up-or-down votes on three nominees and to use restraint with filibusters in the future in exchange for seven Republicans' pledge to vote against declaring the filibuster of judicial nominees unconstitutional. Sen. Christopher S. Bond, Missouri Republican, called it a "Band-Aid" that simply puts off a showdown, while Sen. George Allen, Virginia Republican, called it "a major disappointment on principle." "Ultimately, nothing has been settled when a vacancy arises on the U.S. Supreme Court," Mr. Allen said. Some of the seven Republicans were hearing from their constituents -- particularly Sen. John W. Warner of Virginia...

...Mr. Allen's office, meanwhile, received 500 calls as of yesterday afternoon, with the majority of the callers opposed to the deal.

(Excerpt) Read more at insider.washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: 109th; betrayal; filibuster; fillibuster; howtoprotest
See Freepers? Allen (or his aide) knows how many phone calls were received, not emails or faxes. Call.
1 posted on 05/25/2005 8:33:26 AM PDT by strategofr
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To: strategofr

NEWSFLASH FROM THE RADIO... FRISTS warning to democrats... "dont screw around with this compromise, WE WILL put the nuke back on the table, AND WE WILL USE IT!!!!!"


2 posted on 05/25/2005 8:35:23 AM PDT by Samurai_Jack (ride out and confront the evil!)
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To: Samurai_Jack

I heard him


3 posted on 05/25/2005 8:41:29 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Samurai_Jack

I heard him


4 posted on 05/25/2005 8:41:29 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Samurai_Jack

WE WILL put the nuke back on the table, AND WE WILL USE IT!!!!!
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Talk is cheap -- only actions count, and that is ALL the Libs do understand.


5 posted on 05/25/2005 8:42:02 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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Sorry, I double-clicked


6 posted on 05/25/2005 8:42:21 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: EagleUSA

Yes, im waiting for him to put this into action.


7 posted on 05/25/2005 8:44:20 AM PDT by Samurai_Jack (ride out and confront the evil!)
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To: Samurai_Jack
I heard it too. But WHEN, for cryin' out loud?!

Gotta hand it to the Dems on this one. What they lack in policies and principles they make up for in cunning. We will never hear Graham, etc. say they were hoodwinked. (Not the word I wanted to use, but there are posting guidelines to consider.) But for goodness sake, I hope some of the "salvageable" members of the backstabbing seven (if indeed ANY of them are salvageable) will learn something. Or, more likely, the senators will learn that "the Daschle effect" works on Republicans too.

I'm disgusted. Signing off for now. I hate it that, on top of everything, DU types are probably reading these boards and grinning. But we were let down BY OUR OWN. It hurts.
8 posted on 05/25/2005 8:47:08 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: EagleUSA

One of the goals of this was to gain time. When the rats start to block nominees again, Frist will start his kabuki dance over from the beginning.

Those vacancies will be filled by President Hillary, for whom the Republicans will roll over.


9 posted on 05/25/2005 8:52:57 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (The people previously responsible for this tagline have been sacked.)
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To: EagleUSA

I agree with you!


10 posted on 05/25/2005 8:53:01 AM PDT by Beth528
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To: Samurai_Jack
"dont screw around with this compromise, WE WILL put the nuke back on the table, AND WE WILL USE IT!!!!!"

STOP!!! or we will say STOP!!!again!


11 posted on 05/25/2005 8:55:22 AM PDT by j_k_l
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To: strategofr
"Our republic stands strong. Our Constitution is solid. Our flag flies over a nation that has reaffirmed its faith in freedom," said Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, Nevada Democrat, while Sens. Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat, and Charles E. Schumer, New York Democrat, and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi praised the deal for averting a crisis.

Hearing these socialists use patriotic phrases makes me ill. What their true intentions are is the exact opposite of what Reid stated. These are the people that would like to rip apart the Constitution, bring down our flag, and are fighting to take away our freedoms every day. Those four senators are probably as big a threat to this country as many of our outside enemies.

12 posted on 05/25/2005 9:01:08 AM PDT by Reagan is King (Never go to a gun fight with a handgun that uses ammo that doesn't start with a "4")
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To: strategofr
"Our republic stands strong. Our Constitution is solid. Our flag flies over a nation that has reaffirmed its faith in freedom," said Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid

What the hell is he talking about? I thought the self serving, platitudinous, blow-hard rantings of Senator Foghorn were just a cartoon.

13 posted on 05/25/2005 9:01:27 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: strategofr

Quick Rule - whenever Ted Kennedy "praises a deal," it was a bad deal for America.


14 posted on 05/25/2005 9:10:22 AM PDT by GianniV
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To: strategofr

They did.

You can bet the farm that if the Democrats went for it the end result will be good for Democrats and bad for Conservatives. I deliberately did not use the word "Republicans" because with the exception of 10 Republicans in both Houses of Congress, the "Republicans are more than happy to be both the whipping boys and butt boys of the Democrats.


15 posted on 05/25/2005 9:15:11 AM PDT by sport
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To: Samurai_Jack

Wow, I'm sure the Dems are shaking in their boots.


16 posted on 05/25/2005 9:20:49 AM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: Samurai_Jack
Frist is the leader of the majority party.

McCain is leader of the Majority Bloc.

I do not think Frist has the votes to go nuc anymore.

McCain is already setting the agenda, i.e. Kennedy/McCain immigration reform, clean sports act.

The Bloc may allow votes on, and confirmation of, the three that they were reluctantly have to allow, but the rest of the nominees are SOL. And the Ninth Circus Court still does not have any conservative judges.

My hope is that events prove me wrong.
17 posted on 05/25/2005 9:20:52 AM PDT by TWhiteBear (Down is now officially up. The New York Times said so)
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To: cvq3842

"I heard it too. But WHEN, for cryin' out loud?!"


The when is out of our control. It happens when the Democrats decide to filibuster, and a cloture vote to stop that filibuster fails. Only then. Timing (and whether it ever happens) is in the control of the Democrats.


18 posted on 05/25/2005 9:24:54 AM PDT by ChronicMA
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At what point does it become acceptable to start advocating the over throw of the goverment, and the forceful RE-institution of our constitutional republic.?


19 posted on 05/25/2005 9:26:58 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: TWhiteBear

The Republican party has become "Democrat Light".

Is there anyone in Ohio that wants to organize a dump Voinovich movement?


20 posted on 05/25/2005 9:27:34 AM PDT by arjay (GOP=Grovelling Old Party)
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To: strategofr

Both Sens Lott and Graham (who are in hot water) said on FNC yesterday that a filibuster by the dems will end the agreement. Further blocking by the 7 democrats will end these two sens careers and they know it. McCain on the other hand walks on water.

It would be funny if McCain tried to run for president. Joe Scarborough and a few others said McCain is the big loser. Why? Because they think he is running for president of the USA, not the NYTimes. Well, if this deal works, and the 7 democrats get all Bushes judges through(hard to believe), then McCain deserves our support. If the deal breaks down, or all 7 Republicans sellout any Bush nominees(not likely), then McCain is rightly presidential toast. But he can still stay in the Senate and torture us.


21 posted on 05/25/2005 9:35:34 AM PDT by marylandrepub1 (They are not justices, they are Kings!)
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To: Samurai_Jack
He told Hannity yesterday...that if all of the candidates do not get an up or down vote......

He would seek to use the constitutional option.

He told Hannity several times.....The constitutional option is still on the table.

STILL.....For most....our only reply can be..

....when we actually see it happen...then we will believe it.
22 posted on 05/25/2005 9:44:13 AM PDT by ArmyBratproud (McCain, you'll never be President.)
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To: ChronicMA; All
AND when, and if, there are enough Republican senators to impose the constitutional option. I won't hold my breath.

It is good to see senate progress on Bolton, Owen, etc. But I thought it would have been MUCH better if the Republicans had been able to avoid the defections and do it now. Let the Dems shut down the Senate. There would have been fewer of them come January 2007. Now the opponent sees weakness and the Republican base is demoralized. this will make it MORE likely that the Republicans will be back in the minority - where apparently many of them are more comfortable, judging from their actions - sooner rather than later.

I know there are arguments on the other side. Maybe they know something peons like me don't. I hope I'm wrong about the deal. But I gotta call it like I see it.
23 posted on 05/25/2005 9:56:59 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: Jeff Chandler

Sad, but probably true.


24 posted on 05/25/2005 9:59:14 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: sport

Sad, but true.


25 posted on 05/25/2005 9:59:37 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: sport

"exception of 10 Republicans in both Houses of Congress"

I optimistically hope the number is higher than that. In terms of Senators, do you include Chambliss and Allen? Toomey was a good Rep, but he left to head a foundation after his loss to Specter. I think he should have stayed in the House, myself. Any good ones you'd care to mention? I could use some bolstering, about now.


26 posted on 05/26/2005 6:43:41 AM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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To: cvq3842

"What they [Dems] lack in policies and principles they make up for in cunning."

Right on. Also serves as a handy, one-sentence description of Communists and (more commonly now) proto-Communists, Hard Left variants.


27 posted on 05/26/2005 6:45:52 AM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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To: marylandrepub1

"It would be funny if McCain tried to run for president."

I honestly think he will ticket with Hillary. I would say "under" Hillary, but I can't quite do that, even to John.


28 posted on 05/26/2005 6:49:15 AM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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To: strategofr

The Republicans really need a spine.

I know it's been said thousands of times.


29 posted on 05/26/2005 6:58:10 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: strategofr

Hey, that's my idea. I bet Hillary picks Gen Clark


30 posted on 05/26/2005 7:07:27 AM PDT by marylandrepub1 (They are not justices, they are Kings!)
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To: cvq3842

"The Republicans really need a spine."

I agree. We need to rebuild the party around stronger, more "untouchable" people (see my tagline). Elliot Ness's FBI men were known as "untouchables", not because they couldn't be shot down---that could be done and was. It was becasue they could not be bribed and blackmailed.

The Democratic Party, symbolized by their new real leader, Hillary, has become a part of the Hard Left. To understand the tactics of the Hard Left, which has evolved from Communism and I now call proto-Communism, read Red Horizons, by Ion Pacepa, Inside the Aquarium & other books by Anton Suvorov.


31 posted on 05/26/2005 7:09:49 AM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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To: strategofr

Thanks for book references!

I do wonder about those FBI files also.


32 posted on 05/26/2005 7:22:27 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: strategofr

Tom Delay is the one that comes to mind.

He takes a steady pounding not only from the communista and socialists but from members of this forum.

There are others that speak up but I can't think of their names right now.

What usually happens to those who stant for us is that when they speak up the Democrats pound them, then the Democrat's propaganda arm, the main stream media attacks them followed by some Republicans and then members of this forum pile on.

The wonder is, not that there so few that speak for us, but seeing the treatment they receive, that there any at all.


33 posted on 05/26/2005 11:03:24 AM PDT by sport
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To: cvq3842

You're quite welcome. We on FR need to push the question of the files. Its all a matter of record and the witnesses are FBI agents. Imagine if Bush did something like this. Somehow, we have to get the story out to the American people.

NRO should push it, so should the WSJ, and Hannity. Richard Poe is an FR member, by the way, under his own name.


34 posted on 05/26/2005 11:20:48 AM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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To: sport

"The wonder is, not that there so few that speak for us, but seeing the treatment they receive, that there any at all."

Delay is a good example. A strong leader, so the Dems want to take him down. They have no ethics, so any tactic goes. I understand and accept that. This is the enemy we face. The MSM is not incompetent. They are, in fact pretty good at their job. People just don't realize that their job is to destroy America.

Like yourself, I am most bugged by the weak Repub response, esp. in the Senate and White House. House of Reps is not as bad. In 2006, we need to especially concentrate on DeWhine and any other Repub who joined the fillibusterbuster who is up for re-election in 2006.

Personally, I will focus on DeWine as I am nearby (Western Pa). We need to form a Western Pennsylvanian Republicans to dump DeWine in 2006 Primary organization.


35 posted on 05/26/2005 11:28:22 AM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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