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No reasoning with the elderly on issue of Social Security
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 5/24/05 | Ruben Navarrette

Posted on 05/25/2005 8:42:08 AM PDT by qam1

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To: Trust but Verify
My husband and I bith have employer-funded pensions. It will be tempting to retire and take the money while it's still there. Happily, we have the option of taking it in a lump sum.

The lump sum option wasn't available to me when I retired. I suggest you take the money and run. :^)

41 posted on 05/25/2005 9:30:01 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: xrp
All we Gen-X/Gen-Y have to do is wait until enough of the baby boomers are too senile to vote or are 6 feet under, then we can vote Social Security into oblivion and leave them hanging out to dry.

Two problems with your scheme:

First, the government will continue to tax you heavily to pay Social Security benefits while you wait for enough of the baby boomers to leave the scene.

Second, there is no reason to believe that enough Gen-X/Gen-Y people will be willing to give up their Social Security benefits when their time comes. My guess is that most will demand to get their "entitlement" just as their elders have.

42 posted on 05/25/2005 9:33:22 AM PDT by Logophile
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To: Dubya
What a Jerk.

Your post proves his point.

43 posted on 05/25/2005 9:33:31 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: DumpsterDiver

We're going to. We will only be in our late 40's, though. I'm in college part time so I can start a second career. So far so good, 4.0 GPA!


44 posted on 05/25/2005 9:34:04 AM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: music is math
To listen to these seniors, the less well-off aren't smart enough to know what to invest where, and so need the government to provide them with a guaranteed benefit.

I happen to agree with that sentiment. The difference is, I think that "the less well-off" (and others) should be in control of their money anyway, and then let the chips fall where they may.

45 posted on 05/25/2005 9:34:20 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: inquest

Allow me to help. ALL of your money goes straight to fund the 2.6 Trillion gubmint budget.


The money is NOT used to buy TReasuries. They are special IOUs which are NOT marketable. For example, you could make yourself an IOU that says you are a worth a million, but the 'note' would be worthless, except by your income power.

In 2018 the government will lost this source of 300 - 400 billion in funds. Then real treasuries will have to issued or drastic cuts made. Interest rates will go up.


46 posted on 05/25/2005 9:34:58 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: qam1
"For this crowd, the whole issue of reforming Social Security comes down to trusting George Bush."

I think that's right. Given the problem is fewer workers and longer lives, they think privatizing is meant to pull their plug sooner rather than later. In short, in spite of promises, they don't believe George Bush.

47 posted on 05/25/2005 9:36:07 AM PDT by ex-snook (Exporting jobs and the money to buy America is lose-lose.)
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To: fooman
If zero dollars of the person's contributions go toward his own account, then the government should have to state that, in bold, on every SS statement that he receives.
48 posted on 05/25/2005 9:39:20 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: qam1

I don't know why the Bush people should be surprised. AARP has been lying and lying and lying about anything to do with SS. They should have seen it coming.


49 posted on 05/25/2005 9:40:55 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: CIDKauf

"However, the true beneficiaries were the seniors that recieved benefits without paying into the system..."

Any person that receives a SS check is a beneficiary of a welfare system. Try to deny it with the above justification if it makes you feel any better. It is nothing more than income redistribution of earnings to buy votes. Why do you think the biggest welfare demographic in our country is also the most active politically?

Every generation is robbed from to pay the generation prior to them. It is nothing new now. The generation now that is blocking change at the expense of the later generations is doing nothing but saying, "hey we got robbed, so you should be robbed even more!" The fact that they will not be effected by the proposed changes and they still want to make sure we get robbed, speaks volumes.

The more welfare someone recieves, the more interest they have in ensuring their agenda is continually moving forward.


50 posted on 05/25/2005 9:42:34 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: Trust but Verify
We're going to. We will only be in our late 40's, though.

I was 46 when I retired. I thoroughly enjoy being gainfully "unemployed"!

I'm in college part time so I can start a second career. So far so good, 4.0 GPA!

That's great.

51 posted on 05/25/2005 9:43:02 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: qam1

The GOP never learns. The RATS say something needs to be done, the GOP takes the bait, the RATS yank the football, and demogogue and on and on. Ever wonder why the RATS don't "take care" of the thing when they are the majority, (40 years or so)?


52 posted on 05/25/2005 9:44:02 AM PDT by Waco
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs

No kidding. Seniors have taken out so much more than they ever put in. Where is the thanks?


53 posted on 05/25/2005 9:48:39 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: qam1

The older the polling sample, the less support you find for tinkering with Social Security. The younger the sample, the greater the support.


They have been exposed to liberal indoctrinaion longer.


54 posted on 05/25/2005 9:50:57 AM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: 2banana
No, not the "Greediest Generation." My 83 year old mother is a Republican. However, she is very much opposed to changing Social Security. She remembers the Depression and she remembers how Social Security was what saved so many people from starving. Mama does not trust the Stock Market. She made my late father sell off all stock when he retired. All of her money is in CD's. She was making a lot of interest off of them in the past. Now the interest rates are low. She does not think that people should be investing part of their Social Security money in the stock market and thinks that is dangerous.

So, she is not being greedy, she is just very wary.
55 posted on 05/25/2005 9:53:26 AM PDT by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: Publius6961; qam1

It's the FDR / New Deal worship factor. In reality, when the Great Depression started, even Hoover did not have the stones to let all the bad debt work itself out and to resist the temptation of heavy government involvement in the crisis. FDR, seeing his opportunity, given all of the poorly financially educated minions who had leveraged themselves into the hole during the unreal days of horrible P/E ratios, knew that he could build on the already established interventionist tactics of Hoover and turn the whole thing into "economic rescue by government" on steroids. In fact, Hoover's small intervention made things worse, and FDR's major intervention made things FAR worse. But the people, now sensing something wholly new, namely, the US government interjecting itself right into the core of the economy, had their quick fix of entitlements and so was the "gimme" culture born.

FDR then went on to overspend socially and underspend militarily, setting the stage for the near defeat of the US and UK during the outset of the hottest (2nd) phase of WW2, and thereby manufactured yet another crisis which would call for even MORE government intervention. By the time the war was over, the "Greatest Generation" as well as the teenaged Silent Generation and the toddling earlist Boomers had been conditioned to accept socialism lite as well as the whole idea of a government "final safety net" to protect them from any future sudden major equity adjustments.

What a mess.


56 posted on 05/25/2005 9:56:07 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: xrp
Well, gee, thanks a lot. We worked hard, gave you all an education and built this country up to where it is for you to take over. Now you want to wait until we are senile and take everything away from us and leave us to die. That is gratitude for you.
57 posted on 05/25/2005 9:56:43 AM PDT by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: inquest

Indeed, I think there are weasel words to that effect. I remember reading that there was a current 28% shortfall on my statement.

Since we have already suffered two cuts from age increases, I say rebalance this 28% lower and spread among ALL generations.


58 posted on 05/25/2005 9:57:19 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Goodgirlinred
She does not think that people should be investing part of their Social Security money in the stock market and thinks that is dangerous.

If she thinks government should force people not to invest in the stock market, then she's not terribly Republican.

By the way, even someone who began investing for his retirement right before the 1929 crash and kept his money in would have made out better in the end, percentage-wise, than someone putting his money in Social Security throughout his working years, even in the healthiest economic times.

59 posted on 05/25/2005 10:00:08 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: Goodgirlinred

"So, she is not being greedy, she is just very wary."

So, she would prefer that the Government act as our parent/nanny. Does she understand that the investment portion is a CHOICE? She doesn't think I deserve to choose what to do with my own earnings?


60 posted on 05/25/2005 10:00:44 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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