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No reasoning with the elderly on issue of Social Security
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 5/24/05 | Ruben Navarrette

Posted on 05/25/2005 8:42:08 AM PDT by qam1

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To: Melas

The point is more people will cut off, if we dont stop the spiral.


141 posted on 05/25/2005 1:39:02 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: chris1

Knock it off


142 posted on 05/25/2005 1:40:00 PM PDT by Lead Moderator
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To: qam1
I'm 55 and I say privatize as much of it as is possible right now. This is not a roll of the dice as far as I'm concerned as I am sure that the portion you let me direct in the next 10 years will outperfom the portion I have been forced to "contribute" over the past 38 years.

Anyone my age or older who doesn't see this is suffering from a condition I call cerebro-rectalopathy.

143 posted on 05/25/2005 1:42:33 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: KC_for_Freedom
You are so right, so why not accept private accounts and let people keep their money. The government will have to learn to get along without this "tax". Surely this would be a good thing from your point of view? Yes?

Yes...People should be free to make their own financial decisions. Problem is, that will never happen. They will institute a 'private' investment program that will end up costing us tax payers more than the present corrupt system.

But just to take the money away from the government warms my heart. BTW, I am retired as well, not drawing SS, but living on investments I salted away myself

Mine too! You and I are in the same boat. I don't collect SS because I chose to retire early and spend the rest of my life doing the things I enjoy more than working. We have both lost the money we paid into that phony retirement scheme.
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144 posted on 05/25/2005 2:26:07 PM PDT by mugs99
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To: zeugma
I've said it before on this forum, if you take a look at everything the government has done "in respnse" to 9/11/01, you'll find that in every single case, it has not made us any safer, but has increased their control over us, and costs us more.

Real world truth! Arm the pilots if you want safety. Everything thing else is BS.
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145 posted on 05/25/2005 2:31:52 PM PDT by mugs99
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To: Schwaeky
Everything you say is true, but...Government will not fix the problem. Their proposals only divert money into private accounts where they can collect more fees and taxes. Isn't this the same disaster they tried in Great Britain?
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146 posted on 05/25/2005 2:41:24 PM PDT by mugs99
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To: Melas
I wouldn't blame Jim if he closed up shop in total disgust.

You're kidding, right?

Believe it or not, it is conservative to desire cutbacks in socialism rather than advancement of it.

SS in its current form is not sustainable. It must be grandfathered out so that the younger people of our country will be able to support themselves, their families, and provide for their own retirements in the future.

147 posted on 05/25/2005 2:47:05 PM PDT by k2blader ("A kingdom of conscience ... That is what lies at the end of Crusade.")
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To: k2blader
SS in its current form is not sustainable. It must be grandfathered out so that the younger people of our country will be able to support themselves, their families, and provide for their own retirements in the future.

No problem there at all. However, that has nothing to do with what I responded to. My response was to the notion that we should just cut loose Granny and Grandpa who're already depending on the SS check.

148 posted on 05/25/2005 2:50:32 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Melas
Well, I think there should be an age limit above which there *shouldn't* be cuts, but age 50 is too low. I'd set it somewhere between 60 and 65. People in their 50's, and even 60's, are still healthy enough to work at least part time.

Folks below that age limit cannot expect their SS checks to be the amount "promised" them years before.

149 posted on 05/25/2005 3:00:51 PM PDT by k2blader ("A kingdom of conscience ... That is what lies at the end of Crusade.")
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150 posted on 05/25/2005 3:53:49 PM PDT by clyde asbury
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Not only can you take the money with you, or will it to your heirs. The government does not get the use of the money, or the interest while you are growing the nest egg.


151 posted on 05/25/2005 4:07:39 PM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: fooman

Yes, proving they know the benfeits of investing. This leads me to conclude that if a democrat proposed this personal savings plan it would be supported by the AARP. In some respects, the plan will trigger a step in the stoc market investment, and whoever is in charge when it happens will get credit for this. Clinton proposed it too, only did not make much of a fuss over it.


152 posted on 05/25/2005 4:10:38 PM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: mugs99
They will institute a 'private' investment program that will end up costing us tax payers more than the present corrupt system.

We have not seen the details of the plan, but if like a 401 K, the plan will have low investment management fees and several choices of investment from "total stock market" to "total treasuries". I realize the govt may have to be draged away kicking and screeming when they see that they can't fondle the money anymore, but we should insist on this. (I also see where you are coming from, govt never saw a program that they could not mess up via their participation.)

153 posted on 05/25/2005 4:13:30 PM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: qam1

My mom and dad were born in 1921, and 1922 respectively...I remember, during the 70s, my mom kept saying, that she doubted if Social Security would be around when they got ready to retire...she and dad planned their senior years around what they could save for themselves, plus dads retirement from Sunbeam....when they did retire when dad was 60, they were surprised that Social Security was still around...so getting their Social Security checks when they turned 62 was a surprise to them, and added money to their nest egg...

So I grew up, believing that Social Security would never be around for me...I was born just before the beginning of the Baby Boomers, in late 1945, my hubby a few years before that time, ,born in 1943....the hubby just retired, less than a month ago, at age 62....sure, he gets a lower Social Security monthly, but heck, he does not even know if he will live long enough to wait for a full check at age 66...he wants to enjoy life now, not spend his last few years working....so his army retirement, plus his postal office retirement, plus both of our social security checks, really is more than enough for us...but we both never thought Social Security would be around...our true savings came in the form of the Thrift Savings Account, we started and maintained at the post office...used wisely, the amt we draw in an annuity each month, about equals the interest we gain, so we almost never touch the principal...that way, we could live many, many years and enjoy our life...

My older boy died early, at age 15, many years ago, so he never contributed to Social Security, , but will also never draw any...so it evens out...

Our younger son, is 30, unmarried, and makes tons of money, but also pays tons of Social Security taxes...but all his life he heard his grandparents, and us, his parents, warn about the eventual failing of Social Security...so from the beginning of his working career, he has always saved towards his eventual retirement, as he never wants to rely on Govt, to support him, and he hopes we, his parents, spend all of our money before we die...he does not want to inherit a dime from us.....so he looks to himself, as the sole person responsible for his own retirement...he figures by the time he is old enough to retire, Social Security will be a bust...

It is beyond me why seniors dont care what happens to those who are left working after they are gone...that attitude just confounds me...I worry(as parents should do)about my surviving child, about any possible grandchildren he may have(if he ever settles down), and what their financial future will be....thank goodness, my son has shown that he understands what he should do for himself for his old age, and he acts on that...

We should all worry about how we leave the world when we die...leaving it in a terrible financial condition is a nasty epitaph...


154 posted on 05/25/2005 4:30:54 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: KC_for_Freedom
If the idea behind Bush's plan is for the individual contributors to be contributing toward their own retirements and not toward someone else's, then there's absolutely no reason for the government to be involved at all. I would wager that many people would prefer to be completely in charge of their money rather than have the government tell them how to manage it. Who wouldn't?
155 posted on 05/25/2005 4:32:34 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: qam1

The elderly who are against Social Security reform are greedy and selfish. That's all there is to it. They simply don't care if the country goes down in flames, or if their grandchildren endure near-slavery under a crushing tax burden. Logic does not work. They want what's yours, and they intend to get it. If America declines to European status or worse in the process, so be it.

It infuriates me, frankly, because I'm one of the ones they are bilking.


156 posted on 05/25/2005 4:35:29 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: CSM
It is nothing more than income redistribution of earnings to buy votes.

Exactly. It is not a retirement program, it is a welfare program. No one pays into anything.

157 posted on 05/25/2005 4:36:25 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Goodgirlinred
We worked hard, gave you all an education and built this country up to where it is for you to take over.

I'm sure you are a generous person, but I don't recall you paying for my education or helping me along the way. I don't owe you Social Security. As a Christian God teaches us to help others, but I resent having my "charity" taken from me by force to be redistributed.

158 posted on 05/25/2005 4:44:20 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: inquest
I would wager that many people would prefer to be completely in charge of their money rather than have the government tell them how to manage it.

You are very correct, this is why the democrats are correct when they say Bush's plan will end social security. First the government will handle the deduction and investment for you, and at some time in the future a second change would be to let you handle it yourself. Of course there is the question of whether people would save or spend once they are fully in charge. We seem not to be able to cut off someone who has made foolish choices all his life. Thus some program of mandatory saving still with the employee handling the transaction does not seem unreasonable. Especially when compared to a the present system where the money is taken by the friendly government and simply spent on something else.

159 posted on 05/25/2005 4:53:22 PM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: KC_for_Freedom
...never realizing that after a few years they end up taking out much more than they contributed.

This is very true - sometimes tens of thousands of dollars more!

160 posted on 05/25/2005 5:13:22 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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