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Student says T-shirt slogans got her a day's suspension
http://www.accessnorthga.com ^ | 5 24 05

Posted on 05/26/2005 10:22:33 AM PDT by freepatriot32

A teenager was back in class Friday after receiving a one-day suspension for wearing a T-shirt with slogans including "freedom of expression" and "don't drink and drive" that school administrators considered disruptive.

Hanna Smith, 18, a junior at Tift County High School, said principal Mike Duck told her that if she wore the shirt again she would be suspended for the remainder of the year.

The principal was arrested six years ago for DUI and running a stop sign, the Tifton Gazette said Friday in a story on Smith's suspension. Duck made a public apology for the DUI and was himself suspended for five days.

Smith's mother, Tracy Fletcher, said she would defend her daughter's right to express herself, even if it means hiring an attorney and taking the case to court.

"They want everyone to fit into a mold and there's no room for individuality. These kids are our future, I think they should be treated with a little more respect. Their opinions count. Their thoughts count," Fletcher said.

The principal confirmed that Smith was back in class Friday without the banned T-shirt, which also had a peace symbol on the front and "Veritas" (truth) written on the back.

On Friday, Smith wore a different T-shirt, this one reading "Don't Underestimate Individuality," her mother said. The first letters of those words spell "DUI." Her mother said the teen plans to wear the banned T-shirt again on Monday.

Duck said he could not comment on the suspension.

"We can't discuss children and their issue," he said. "It's a matter of privacy and protection of their rights."

The school system's dress code forbids disruptive clothing, grooming and symbols. Principals decide what's disruptive.

"I have an obligation to maintain an orderly environment," Duck said. "The courts give me the authority and the right to make those decisions and as long as I'm sitting in this chair that's what I'm going to do."

Smith said she learned about Constitutional rights, such as freedom of expression, in class and wishes school officials would honor them.

"I think it's silly that we can't practice the freedoms that they teach us here," Smith said. "You would think that school officials would have respect for the law and people's rights, or at least they should."


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To: HKMk23

I caught up. Ping to my #41.


121 posted on 05/26/2005 1:05:30 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Pajama Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Arthalion
School is for learning. The principal was convicted of a DUI years ago, and paid his debt to society. Children in schools should be learning, not "expressing their opinions" or other such crapola.

Sorry, but I most certainly do NOT share your objections.

That's your problem---go inflict it on someone else.

The girl has earned MY respect simply because she had the audacity to speak up against corruption and inept leadership when she saw it.

Great...an 18-year old JUNIOR in high school has earned your respect. An 18 year old JUNIOR in high school has "exposed corruption and inept leadership". How wonderful.
122 posted on 05/26/2005 1:17:34 PM PDT by motzman (now whatda?)
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To: xzins

You are right, they probably DO have a history. He may in fact have a history with several of the girls in the school.

IT would not be at all unusual if she was just getting back at the guy for unwanted sexual advances, or sexual harrassment while he was on the job... and had a few too many. She may not have appreciated some other well known drunken behaviors by this dude. The message perhaps? "Back off letch!!!"

btw... the girl WILL win.
Take it to the bank.


123 posted on 05/26/2005 1:17:37 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (Please don't squeeze the Koran. I gotta go to the bathroom.)
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To: af_vet_1981

My guess is the girls in the school don't like the guy because there may in fact be some FUI or SHUI behaviors going on, without consequence for the guy.

Flirting
Under the
Influence

or

Sexual
Harassment
Under the
Influence

I doubt it's just the tshirt thing.


124 posted on 05/26/2005 1:21:21 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (Please don't squeeze the Koran. I gotta go to the bathroom.)
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To: af_vet_1981
Just like people had problems with the corrupt Clintons and the corrupt Clintons had lots of fans ...

DUI years ago vs. a lifetime of political and financial corruption. Yeah, it's the same thing....




Sheesh!
125 posted on 05/26/2005 1:21:28 PM PDT by motzman (now whatda?)
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To: freebilly

You literally made me snort coffee out my nose. LOL


126 posted on 05/26/2005 1:21:29 PM PDT by B Knotts (Viva il Papa!)
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To: motzman

Children are in school to learn citizenship as much as math, and good citizenship means objecting to inept leadership. The girl did exactly what she should have done.

As for him paying his debt to society, I suppose you'd also advocate letting released child molestors run daycare centers or convicted murderers teach. Just because you've paid your debt to society doesn't mean your slate is clean and you can do whatever you want. The guy is a bad influence, a horrible role model, and a tyrant. As a general rule, I object to ANY criminal in ANY leadership position in the public schools, and this entire situation clearly demonstrates the wisdom of that position.


127 posted on 05/26/2005 1:25:17 PM PDT by Arthalion
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To: freepatriot32
Minors don't have that freedom and they don't have in school. The school has a a right to regulate dress. I think "No t-shirts with slogans or logos" is a good start.
Personally, I kinda like the idea of school uniforms.
128 posted on 05/26/2005 1:25:22 PM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: motzman

DUI and running Stop Signs is a big neal in High School. Kids die every year from this activity. Having a school principal who committed the same crime not so long ago and resumed his duties with 5 days of suspension is a very low standard indeed ...


129 posted on 05/26/2005 1:30:35 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: motzman

DUI and running Stop Signs is a big deal in High School. Kids die every year from this activity. Having a school principal who committed the same crime not so long ago and resumed his duties with 5 days of suspension is a very low standard indeed ...


130 posted on 05/26/2005 1:30:45 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Flirting Under the Influence or Sexual Harassment Under the Influence

Oh

I understand.

You see her as a Clinton woman just asking for it ...

131 posted on 05/26/2005 1:32:08 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: Robert_Paulson2; aQ_code_initiate
I think you need to reread the first paragraph. T-shirt with slogans including "freedom of expression" and "don't drink and drive" that school administrators considered disruptive.

In other words, there are other slogans on it (them?) that aren't mentioned. We know the media's well-established penchant for creating honest impressions of all that's going on. We know that the DUI was six years ago. We know that the girl intentionally brought it up with t-shirt #2 with a DUI theme.

We know that "administratorS" (note the "S") consider the t-shirts and slogans to be disruptive. We know that a suspension was upheld, and if I know a superintendent and his lawyer well, I'll bet they checked with the administratorS (other than principal) on this. You can bet that if this was a big RED FLAG that they would have pulled this principal up to a screeching halt by his short hairs.

You also know that this is rural GEORGIA where school discipline is still dear to the hearts of many judges as is so ably point out by AQ. And judges in N. Ga. might not smile favorably is this 18 year old JUNIOR has a problem child record.

I'm betting that the girl loses, but the problem is.....how will be ever know unless someone posts it when it gets announced in Georgia. Got any North Georgians around here? :>)

132 posted on 05/26/2005 1:33:32 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Rebelbase

I agree.

They are going to be in hot water allowing an individual to decide what's disruptive in terms of the content on shirts. They need to ban all expressive shirts, with the stated exception of school, college, and shirts with manufacturer's logos. Or, they need to go to uniforms. I support the school enforcing their rules, but come on, "don't drink and drive" is disruptive? I thought they showed videos saying the same thing.


133 posted on 05/26/2005 1:37:02 PM PDT by 1L
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To: af_vet_1981
Having a school principal who committed the same crime not so long ago and resumed his duties with 5 days of suspension is a very low standard indeed ...

No it's not. The legal system adjudicated the issue properly. The school board handed out its' punishment, which was just in their judgment. Your opinion on the situation does not matter at all.

Here's a dopey girl and her enabler mommy causing all kinds of problems to get attention.

That this issue is even being discussed on an Internet board proves that the girls actions were a distraction, and the principal was correct in his actions to resolve the matter.

You've already compared the guy to Clinton...why not try Hitler next?
134 posted on 05/26/2005 1:39:25 PM PDT by motzman (now whatda?)
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To: inquest

see #132


135 posted on 05/26/2005 1:39:35 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Arthalion
Children are in school to learn citizenship as much as math, and good citizenship means objecting to inept leadership.

Children by definition do not have the capacity to "object to inept leadership". You want children to be defining "inept leadership"?

As for him paying his debt to society, I suppose you'd also advocate letting released child molestors run daycare centers or convicted murderers teach.

Sure. Nice try, DUmmie.

As a general rule, I object to ANY criminal in ANY leadership position in the public schools, and this entire situation clearly demonstrates the wisdom of that position.

"You" and "wisdom" have parted company a long, long, long, time ago.
136 posted on 05/26/2005 1:43:38 PM PDT by motzman (now whatda?)
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To: motzman
No it's not. The legal system adjudicated the issue properly. The school board handed out its' punishment, which was just in their judgment. Your opinion on the situation does not matter at all.

The Clinton Fans made the same claims for Bill and Hillary Clinton. They were either exonerated by the legal system or the issues were adjudicated. The House and Senate handed down their punishment and our opinion on the situation did not matter at all ...

They were as angry as you are that we even brought it up ...

Here's a dopey girl and her enabler mommy causing all kinds of problems to get attention.

Linda Tripp causing all kinds of problems to get attention ...

That this issue is even being discussed on an Internet board proves that the girls actions were a distraction, and the principal was correct in his actions to resolve the matter.

It proves that the principal should resign or be forced from his position of authority and leadership and that there are always fans who will back him up if he does not ...

You've already compared the guy to Clinton...why not try Hitler next?

You violated Godwin's Law.

You lose this debate.

137 posted on 05/26/2005 1:46:37 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: motzman
You want children to be defining "inept leadership"?

I would hope that, by her junior year of HS and 18 years of age, she would know the difference between skilled and inept leadership. Heck, I knew the difference a LOT earlier than that.

As to the rest of what you wrote, I'm not even going to dignify that with a reply. If you can't see the wisdom in maintaining certain moral and ethical standards for those who oversee our children, then there's no point in arguing with you.
138 posted on 05/26/2005 1:57:16 PM PDT by Arthalion
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To: af_vet_1981

NO I agree with you.
I was suggesting that HE may be one of those guys, flirting or making advances with the girls at the high school, while under the influence.

not the girl. Got it? He's the drunk, not her. She's pointing something out for some reason.

He is perhaps, in the habit of doing things he shouldn't while tanked. And perhaps, the girl was just 'responding'.


139 posted on 05/26/2005 1:58:37 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (Please don't squeeze the Koran. I gotta go to the bathroom.)
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To: freepatriot32

School uniforms.


140 posted on 05/26/2005 2:00:55 PM PDT by Alouette (The only thing learned from history is that nobody ever learns from history.)
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