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Turmoil as Chirac Plots to Disregard 'Non' Vote
The Times [UK] ^ | May 27, 2005 | Philip Webster and Charles Bremner

Posted on 05/26/2005 4:51:08 PM PDT by quidnunc

President Chirac of France is preparing to throw Europe into confusion and put Britain on the spot by backing moves to keep the European constitution alive if it is rejected in Sunday’s referendum.

French diplomats say that M Chirac is expected to urge other countries to proceed with ratification because France does not want to be seen to be blocking the European project. Any attempt to persuade other countries to go ahead will dash the hopes of those in the British Government who believed that a French rejection would make a British referendum unnecessary.

British ministers argue that it will be impossible to hold a referendum next year because the final shape of the treaty on which the British would be voting will be unknown.

President Chirac was still insisting last night that renegotiation was out of the question if the French vote "no". British ministers believe that the only way that the French could get eventual approval would be to amend the constitution in a way that would make it unacceptable in Britain.

“We do not know if there is going to be a ‘yes’ or ‘no’ but a ‘no’ would create massive uncertainty about what we are supposed to be voting on,” a ministerial source said. M Chirac went on French television last night to deliver a dramatic last-ditch appeal for a ‘yes’ vote. He urged the French people not to punish his Government.

“The decision before us goes far beyond traditional political divisions,” he said. The choice was “about your future and that of your children, of the future of France and the future of Europe. On Sunday, everyone will have a share of the destiny of France in its hands.”

He argued that the constitution would strengthen France’s influence in Europe and reinforce the French social model. Rejecting it would create “divisions and doubts” in Europe when “we need a political Europe capable of bringing about a genuine European power”.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: chirac4chirac; eu; euconstitution; europeanunion; nicolassarkozy; shadowparty; soros; ump; un; worldgovernance; worldgovernment

1 posted on 05/26/2005 4:51:08 PM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc

I hate this scumbag POS.


2 posted on 05/26/2005 4:53:20 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (Saddam: $25k to suicide bombers = BAD --- Bush: 50 mil to terrorist scum = "GOOD")
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To: quidnunc

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL


3 posted on 05/26/2005 4:53:47 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Minuteman at heart, couch potato in reality))
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To: Stellar Dendrite

We ALL do.


4 posted on 05/26/2005 4:53:59 PM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: quidnunc

No wonder M Kerry loved M Chirac so much.


5 posted on 05/26/2005 4:54:22 PM PDT by OldFriend (MAJOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH.....INSPIRATIONAL)
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To: quidnunc

They need to fillibuster it


6 posted on 05/26/2005 4:55:20 PM PDT by woofie ("Plunk your magic twanger, Froggy!!")
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To: quidnunc

Wow - he could be a US Senator.


7 posted on 05/26/2005 4:56:31 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: quidnunc

Kind of like their position in NATO. Not a member, except have a say and derive benefit.


8 posted on 05/26/2005 4:56:36 PM PDT by monkeywrench (http://ciudadano.presidencia.gob.mx/peticion/peticion.htm -Tell Vicente)
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To: AD from SpringBay

Do they have hanging chads in France?
Perhaps some "intended" to vote Yes.


9 posted on 05/26/2005 4:59:07 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (Saddam: $25k to suicide bombers = BAD --- Bush: 50 mil to terrorist scum = "GOOD")
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To: quidnunc

These countries may be at each others' throats before too long.


10 posted on 05/26/2005 5:01:42 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: quidnunc
So, Chirac is just going to ignore the vote? I can see why he liked Saddam so much.
11 posted on 05/26/2005 5:04:48 PM PDT by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

I predict serious vote fraud.


12 posted on 05/26/2005 5:06:40 PM PDT by Colorado Buckeye (It's the culture stupid!)
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To: Colorado Buckeye

Did they send the Democraps from WA state over there?


13 posted on 05/26/2005 5:10:46 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (Saddam: $25k to suicide bombers = BAD --- Bush: 50 mil to terrorist scum = "GOOD")
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To: quidnunc; Congressman Billybob

And since when have any of Hillary's worldwide socialists (Europe, Canada, NZ, OZ, US, India, or China/Cuba/NK) followed ANY rule of law?


14 posted on 05/26/2005 5:11:34 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (-I can only contribute to FR monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS contributes to her campaign every day)
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To: quidnunc

Chiraq's got one thing going for him, as far as I can tell:

At least he's not Mugabe.


15 posted on 05/26/2005 5:12:01 PM PDT by Petronski (A champion of dance, my moves will put you in a trance, and I never leave the disco alone.)
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To: All
What a good idea...Chirac expects the British to vote on the constitution that his own is going to country vote down.

And Blair is expected to ask his countrymen to vote yes on what exactly? A Constitution that is uncertain and will have to change? And when it's changed, the British should vote again? And if the changes are unacceptable to the British, they then are perceived to be the roadblock. Chirac must think that they're stupid.

Or, perhaps, the Britsh should simply accept any and all of the changes that will need to be made so that the French find it acceptable?

That's ridiculous. How does this put the British on the spot? They'd have to be bonkers to vote on a Constitution that isn't finalized. Finalize the constitution, and let the British vote. They'd have to be qhite mad to want to get into bed with the French and the Germans anyway.

16 posted on 05/26/2005 5:12:33 PM PDT by sofaman
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To: Stellar Dendrite
Do they have hanging chads in France?

We know they don't have any hanging 'nads.
17 posted on 05/26/2005 5:16:28 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: quidnunc


18 posted on 05/26/2005 5:17:13 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: quidnunc

We'd be happy to give him the 9th District Court...


19 posted on 05/26/2005 5:17:16 PM PDT by null and void (Embrace diseased aliens! It's the progressive thing to do...)
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To: sofaman
Let's try that again.

Chirac expects the British to vote on the constitution that his own country is going to vote down.

20 posted on 05/26/2005 5:18:45 PM PDT by sofaman
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To: Stellar Dendrite
Did they send the Democraps from WA state over there?

I think the French have contracted with Mayor Daley.

21 posted on 05/26/2005 5:44:12 PM PDT by Colorado Buckeye (It's the culture stupid!)
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To: Petronski

A little spray paint will fix that


22 posted on 05/26/2005 5:59:26 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: quidnunc
Here's the rest of the story you refused to post.
But the latest poll showed the rejectionists’ support growing to 55 per cent — the 13th poll in succession to put the ‘no’ camp ahead. With two days of campaigning left, the French political establishment was left hoping for a Liverpool-style comeback.

Even as M Chirac prepared to deliver his appeal last night the recriminations within his centre-right UMP party had begun, and he was said by colleagues to have accepted that he had bungled by calling a referendum.

A "no" vote would leave M Chirac seriously weakened. His rival Nicolas Sarkozy, the UMP leader who aspires to become president in 2007, was blaming the Chirac Government's policies for fuelling the voter rebellion. M Chirac is expected to react to a French "non" by promising to listen to the people before making a second attempt at ratification.

He and other "yes" campaigners have said repeatedly during the campaign that there is no “Plan B” if the treaty is rejected and that there would not be a second referendum.

But one option being discussed in senior diplomatic circles is for candidates in the French presidential election in 2007 to promise to ratify the treaty in parliament rather than by referendum.

Mr Blair is expected to respond to the French result on Monday morning from Italy, where he is spending the Bank Holiday weekend. He is reconciled to Britain's six-month presidency of the EU, which starts in July, being dominated by efforts to salvage key parts of the constitution if the French and Dutch reject it.

23 posted on 05/26/2005 6:04:22 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: quidnunc
The French did not have to use a referendum to approve the EU constitution. It could have been done in their national legislature as most of the other European countries are doing.

Why did Chirac choose a referendum? Did he want a NO vote? Would a NO vote be to his advantage in some way?

24 posted on 05/26/2005 6:14:04 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: quidnunc
He learns his election tactics from Al Gore and the governor in Washington State.
25 posted on 05/26/2005 6:39:25 PM PDT by .cnI redruM (McCain's home state is the newsroom of The New York Times! -Mark Steyn)
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To: Dog Gone
But one option being discussed in senior diplomatic circles is for candidates in the French presidential election in 2007 to promise to ratify the treaty in parliament rather than by referendum.

Not that anyone had any illusions that France was a democracy anyways.

What a bunch of hosers!

26 posted on 05/26/2005 8:21:48 PM PDT by America's Resolve (Liberal Democrats are liars, cheats and thieves with no morals, scruples, ethics or honor!)
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To: quidnunc

Is he planning to bring Hitler back to force the EU on Europeans?


27 posted on 05/27/2005 11:39:55 AM PDT by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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