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Substitute Teacher Fired for Taping Mouths
ap ^ | 5-26-05

Posted on 05/26/2005 8:11:47 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan

Substitute Teacher Fired for Taping Mouths

TERRE HAUTE, Ind. - A substitute teacher who was fired after putting small pieces of tape across the mouths of first-graders because they would not stop talking said she did not mean any harm.

Vigo County schools officials fired Sheryl Smith this week after parents told them that she had taped six children's mouths at Fuqua Elementary School.

"A substitute teacher used extremely poor judgment," said John Orr, director of human resources.

Smith had put the tape on vertically, and it did not cover the children's mouths, although they could not talk. She did it because some of the children would not be quiet, Orr said.

"That's something we don't tolerate in the Vigo County School Corporation," Orr said. "She is terminated ... she will not work for the corporation anymore."

But Smith, who often substituted for the class, said she taped the students' mouths in a playful way.

"It was a little piece of Scotch tape," she said. "I was just joking with them. I think it's blown clear out of proportion."

Orr contacted Vigo County Child Protective Services about what happened but believes the agency would not pursue it because no children were injured.

None of the kids appeared upset in class, and the tape wasn't on very long, Smith said.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: educationnews; govwatch; schools; students; zerotolerance

1 posted on 05/26/2005 8:11:47 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: Dan from Michigan

I am getting really sick of seeing all these news articles about teachers abusing our children!!


2 posted on 05/26/2005 8:17:26 PM PDT by trussell (Prayers for the children!)
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To: Dan from Michigan
... "That's something we don't tolerate in the Vigo County School Corporation,"...

Doesn't she know to use duct tape (handy man's secret helper) for these larger drafts.

3 posted on 05/26/2005 8:19:01 PM PDT by DaveyB (Professing to become wise they became fools!)
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To: Dan from Michigan

Oh the days when you could get a ruler smashed across the knuckles for yapping in class.....I guess the those days weren`t so bad afterall.

Now we have scotch tape over the lips ... the horror !!!!


5 posted on 05/26/2005 8:27:03 PM PDT by Peace will be here soon
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To: ReadyNow
...that tape interfered with the students' right to oral sex...

In the classroom?

6 posted on 05/26/2005 8:28:18 PM PDT by DaveyB (Professing to become wise they became fools!)
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To: DaveyB
In the classroom?

Where else?

7 posted on 05/26/2005 9:10:29 PM PDT by mountn man
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To: trussell

Sarcasm, right?


8 posted on 05/26/2005 9:13:01 PM PDT by lp boonie (Been there, done that.)
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To: lp boonie

Not at all...I would rather see the school administer corporal punishment...spankings with the board of education than for them to have teachers exerting their control issues on the children by taping their mouth.


9 posted on 05/26/2005 9:19:00 PM PDT by trussell (Prayers for the children!)
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To: trussell

Why? You would rather see them hit the kids then jokingly, as the teacher said, put tape on their mouths? I'm not following your logic for hitting kids for talking.


10 posted on 05/26/2005 9:23:46 PM PDT by lp boonie (Been there, done that.)
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To: Dan from Michigan

Wow.

If a teacher taped one of my kids mouth shut, without my consent, well, that teacher would be counting the teeth lost due to my response.


11 posted on 05/26/2005 9:26:08 PM PDT by msf92497 (My brain is "twitchy")
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To: lp boonie

I'm not saying the kids should be hit for talking...I'm saying the school needs to do better on what type of discipline is allowed. Showing a tendency as a control freak by taping the kids' mouth is not acceptable.

Children need to be properly disciplined, not degraded.


12 posted on 05/26/2005 9:34:07 PM PDT by trussell (Prayers for the children!)
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To: trussell
"Children need to be properly disciplined, not degraded."

And what would be proper dicipline in your opinion.

13 posted on 05/26/2005 9:40:25 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: Dan from Michigan
Times have changed.

When I was in the first grade, a teacher made me stick a bar of soap in my mouth for cursing.

That didn't work out well, I ate part of the soap and she freaked out.

She never did use that punishment again as far as I know.

14 posted on 05/26/2005 9:42:11 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: blackbart.223

For talking when they are not suppose to be, tell the child to sit down and listen, or they would lose their recess.


15 posted on 05/26/2005 9:42:35 PM PDT by trussell (Prayers for the children!)
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To: trussell
I am getting really sick of seeing all these news articles about teachers abusing our children and there is no true consequence.
16 posted on 05/26/2005 9:43:31 PM PDT by torchthemummy ("Sober Idealism Equals Pragmatism")
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To: trussell
I am getting really sick of seeing all these news articles about teachers abusing our children and there is no true consequence.
17 posted on 05/26/2005 9:44:31 PM PDT by torchthemummy ("Sober Idealism Equals Pragmatism")
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To: torchthemummy

I must be really tired, I can't figure out what you are trying to say here.


18 posted on 05/26/2005 9:45:53 PM PDT by trussell (Prayers for the children!)
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To: trussell
I really think "abuse" should be defined with more clarity.
I really don't think a small piece of verticle scotch tape to teach children to be quiet is a great big deal. They should have just told the teacher to not use that method.
19 posted on 05/26/2005 9:48:38 PM PDT by theDentist (The Dems are putting all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: trussell

I think it more of a training issue with the teacher than the school endorses this type of discipline. The school fired the teacher so obviously the school doesn't allow taping kids mouths shut.


20 posted on 05/26/2005 9:49:03 PM PDT by lp boonie (Been there, done that.)
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To: theDentist

Taping the child's mouth shut is like saying the child has no right to speak. (I'm bigger than you are, so I can force you to shut up!!) I don't agree with that.

If you need the children to be quiet to conduct your class activities, tell them to listen, if they choose to continue to disrupt, threaten to take away their play time so you can make up what was lost by their disruption.

Teaches consequences for their actions, and does not make them feel inferior to a control freak.


21 posted on 05/26/2005 9:53:31 PM PDT by trussell (Prayers for the children!)
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To: lp boonie
Really? You don't follow this?

We have an - argumentative - child. Talks back to me, I point out the error of his ways, physically, immediately. He stops.

My wife will talk at him for hours, and decries any form of corporal punishment. They SCREAM at each other for hours, I mean, unless I step in.

For my money, she is abusing the kid.

22 posted on 05/26/2005 9:54:57 PM PDT by patton ("Fool," said my Muse to me, "look in thy heart, and write.")
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To: msf92497

Problem with that response is teacher looses teeth (and job), you go to jail and kid takes off tape and goes outside and plays. Not sure the lesson you would be imparting by going to jail over a piece of tape.


23 posted on 05/26/2005 9:55:33 PM PDT by lp boonie (Been there, done that.)
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To: lp boonie

I agree...it was the teacher's decision to use that method...I agree with the schools decision to not use her as a substitute anymore, though it could have been just as appropriate to reprimand her so she understood that was not allowed and give her another chance. If she messed up again, press charges!


24 posted on 05/26/2005 9:57:04 PM PDT by trussell (Prayers for the children!)
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To: lp boonie

Oh. I'm dumb enough to be caught.

Hmmm.


25 posted on 05/26/2005 9:58:46 PM PDT by msf92497 (My brain is "twitchy")
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To: trussell
see #22 - your milage may vary.

But, to this day, I think SPANKING the child, correcting him, and giving him a hug, is one heck of a lot less cruel then yelling at him for days.

26 posted on 05/26/2005 9:59:04 PM PDT by patton ("Fool," said my Muse to me, "look in thy heart, and write.")
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To: trussell

OK, that is reasonable. But I really don't think this falls into the category of 'abuse'.


27 posted on 05/26/2005 9:59:30 PM PDT by theDentist (The Dems are putting all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: patton

Same thing in my house. No problem with corporal punishment, actually mo problem with the tape thing as long as it was done in the spirit of fun--which sounds really weird, but I can see a teacher kidding with the kids to be quiet or "I'll tape your mouth". Problem is, from my experience, all the kids at that age would want it also after one of them got it.


28 posted on 05/26/2005 10:02:14 PM PDT by lp boonie (Been there, done that.)
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To: patton

I am a firm believer of corporal punishment. My kids require hindside dust removal services occasionally. Once I knock the dust off, they have a new outlook on life, at least for a little while. I do have to administer reminders.

My kids are aware of what happens if they don't obey me, and their teachers. They usually only have to be told once what is expected. If I have to tell them twice, they are due a reminder!


29 posted on 05/26/2005 10:02:41 PM PDT by trussell (Prayers for the children!)
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To: trussell

I hate to say it but, you are part of the problem that is inherent in modern day schools. This tape is NO big deal, the teacher is older and the children should have no right to speak in class out of turn.


30 posted on 05/26/2005 10:03:40 PM PDT by jeremiah (Is it not treason, to allow the flow of illegals to be unchecked?)
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To: msf92497

I hear you on that.


31 posted on 05/26/2005 10:05:37 PM PDT by lp boonie (Been there, done that.)
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To: trussell

Good - I misunderstood you, then.


32 posted on 05/26/2005 10:05:54 PM PDT by patton ("Fool," said my Muse to me, "look in thy heart, and write.")
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To: jeremiah

You must be one of those "Children are to be seen, not heard" people. How do you expect a child to grow into a capable adult if you inhibit their growth and creativity when they are children?

The tape is a big deal in my opinion...it is the device of a control freak!


33 posted on 05/26/2005 10:06:15 PM PDT by trussell (Prayers for the children!)
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To: lp boonie
"spirit of fun" my tailbone. Depends on what power you transfer to your school. I have been hit by more than one school official - and I don't think it hurt me.

Now, I might disagree with the whole tape thing. But my disagreement would consist of, "Well, did you slap him???"

Tape seems odd.

34 posted on 05/26/2005 10:09:09 PM PDT by patton ("Fool," said my Muse to me, "look in thy heart, and write.")
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To: trussell

I think we are sorta on the same page here. ;)


35 posted on 05/26/2005 10:10:54 PM PDT by patton ("Fool," said my Muse to me, "look in thy heart, and write.")
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To: patton

I think so too. Good to know I'm not the only one who feels this way! :)


36 posted on 05/26/2005 10:12:51 PM PDT by trussell (Prayers for the children!)
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To: patton

Tape seems odd.

That's why I don't think it was intended as "punishment" as much as it was the teacher trying to handle the situation light heartedly. But who knows, she could have been a crusty old mean b*tch just looking to degrade the kids and take total control of the situation while using them as an example for the other little demons. Now that I think about it, yep that's the ticket.


37 posted on 05/26/2005 10:18:03 PM PDT by lp boonie (Been there, done that.)
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To: lp boonie
Dunno. I wasn't there.

But if it were my kid, I would be asking questions.

38 posted on 05/26/2005 10:20:43 PM PDT by patton ("Fool," said my Muse to me, "look in thy heart, and write.")
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To: patton

I'd ask mine "we're you talking?" If the answer was yes then I'd say "got what you deserved".


39 posted on 05/26/2005 10:24:02 PM PDT by lp boonie (Been there, done that.)
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To: lp boonie

Good answer.


40 posted on 05/26/2005 10:26:42 PM PDT by patton ("Fool," said my Muse to me, "look in thy heart, and write.")
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To: patton

My only problem is did the teacher cause undo physicial or mental harm to a 6 or 7 year old child. I think some sort of action was necessary. Let us not forget schools no longer use red ink to guide students' learning, or perish the thought, using 1, 2, or 3 for a grade instead of A-F.

GIVE ME A FREAKING BREAK


41 posted on 05/26/2005 10:27:04 PM PDT by cleveland gop (always right in the wrong part of Ohio)
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To: cleveland gop

Exactly, give me a break.


42 posted on 05/26/2005 10:28:47 PM PDT by patton ("Fool," said my Muse to me, "look in thy heart, and write.")
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To: Dan from Michigan

I'm fine with this as long as the subs don't go crying to the principle when we give them the old routine. Same goes for teachers. We'll see who can dish it and who can take it!


43 posted on 05/26/2005 10:41:10 PM PDT by explodingspleen (http://mish-mash.info/)
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To: explodingspleen

They sure would pitch a bi*ch if we did this, wouldn't they?!! They would be screaming that we were abusing our children and insisting that social services take our kids and put them in foster homes. Yet, somehow, it's ok for them to do it.

I believe the teacher intended (not in fun) to degrade the kids, and only cried foul when she was told her job was over!


44 posted on 05/26/2005 10:53:36 PM PDT by trussell (Prayers for the children!)
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