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Constantine the Movie: Science Fiction or Anti-Catholic and Anarchist Propaganda?
New Republican Archive ^ | April 2005 | James Burke

Posted on 05/26/2005 8:56:29 PM PDT by CaptIsaacDavis

CONSTANTINE, TO THE RESCUE?

New Republican Archive -- April 2005

Has Warner Brothers finally released a film that takes Roman Catholic doctrine seriously? If you believe that then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. WB is the firm that promoted the overtly anti-Christian and pro-Communist "revolutionary virtual" trilogy called The Matrix. That blockbuster science fiction trilogy starred Keanu Reeves in the role of a "Neo" (actually false) Jesus Christ who rejects Christian and Western culture in favor of Nihilistic revolution to save a Bolshevik-influenced "Zion" by imposing a revolutionary Eastern "order" controlled by an Indian goddess ("Sati") upon the "bourgeois" (quoting the Merovingian) capitalist commodities inside "the Matrix." Now Warner Brothers wants moviegoers to ante up for what promises to be the first of a series of films starring Keanu Reeves as, gee whiz…another false Jesus Christ (here named "John Constantine" [JC for short]) who hurls Catholic dogma like swear words (and middle fingers to follow) to preserve a balance of power between Heaven and Hell. Yes, it’s been done before, but we just don’t know yet whether notional sequels to Constantine will ultimately take viewers down the same path of anti-Western revolution as The Matrix.

At first blush, the film offers a radical interpretation of the "balance" and status quo between the realms of good, evil, and "finger-puppet" humanity (the latter is the description offered by one of Constantine’s associates). I guess being called a "puppet" (that old Communist epithet) beats being called a "bourgeois" "slave" in The Matrix. JC (Reeves) appears to represent the historical Constantine, that is, the emperor of Rome who converted the empire to Christianity after proclaiming to have seen a vision in the heavens that he might conquer in the name of Christ. Only here, "Constantine" is an "exorcist" camouflaged as a defender of a Westernized culture in America under attack from sinful people corrupted by "demons," including one demon named "Balthazar," who struts around like a banker complete with American flags and other Americana on television screens in his office. The latter demon is even played by the lead singer of the band named "Bush," Gavin Rossdale [a coincidence?]. Constantine takes that particular demon out with a shotgun shaped as a gold cross, full of shells made with blessed icons made out of gold and silver (symbolically hurling America’s wealth back in the face of the banker [who even gets his head shot off in a scene where Reeve’s character mocks the Catholic Church’s ritual for last rights]).

Does the character Constantine really "believe" what he preaches? No. Every scene prior to his aborted departure for Heaven makes clear that Constantine does not "believe" in God, hates dogma, and despises "rules" (he even tosses the Bible and its rules down violently in one scene). Indeed, "Gabriel" informs him that he "knows" rather than "believes," that is, until after his encounter with Lucipher. Constantine’s hatred is as much against "rules" as it is against the evils of BOTH Hell and "fallen" Angels like "Gabriel."

The Warner Brothers version of Constantine is aided by a parade of characters that mock the Catholic Church and Catholic faithful in America. First, JC is helped by a defrocked priest (played by Pruitt Taylor Vince), who is the film’s symbol of the American Catholic Church -- a sinful glutton (and grotesquely overweight). In the priest’s final scene he is chased out of a morgue like a psycho necrophiliac caught in the act only to drown himself in alcohol as Balthazar watches.

JC is also helped by a young apprentice cab driver named "Chaz Kramer" – originally "Chas Chandler" (played by Mr. Shia LaBeouf) who dies in JC’s battle with illegal immigrants from Hell as an "innocent" (quoting JC at his death [don’t miss the ode to Kramer at the very end of the film’s credits]). Chaz, renamed "Kramer" and given a Brooklyn demeanor totally out of place in Los Angeles, seems to be intended as a symbol of Jews in America. Bizarrely, the film sequence of JC gunning down dozens of corrupt and possessed denizens of underground nightclubs in L.A., who had gathered to await the arrival of the Son of the Devil in a Catholic hospital, is preceded by Chaz’s use of a silver cross to "bless" a sprinkler system’s water (via a device at the top of the building). That blessed holy water is then sent showering onto the demon-influenced inside the building.

The holy water gassing scene evoked images of the Nazi death camp at Majdanek, but comprehending its symbolic meaning depends upon an accurate understanding of just who the demons represent and who JC and his apprentice are really defending. So then, who were the demons getting metaphorically gassed by JC and Kramer before JC truly "believed" (implying that holy water gassing is a tactic that non-"believing" gentiles use) in the hospital? Look closely and you will find a cross-section of middle America. Many of them came from the underground night-club scene where nearly all of the patrons were middle class, even preppy, white Americans possessed by demons. Flash-forward to the water gassing scene in the hospital and you find a crowd peculiar for its close representation of a demographic profile of America. JC, it appears, is ready to turn the gas chambers on America and wield his shotgun to shoot down the truly "demonic" patriots, bankers, bikers, and beauties (symbols of American beauty are shown in the club scene turning martinis into a drink that looked like Coca-Cola). Lest one think that this analysis is a stretch, a check of the DC Comics/Vertigo series Hellblazer finds Constantine battling neo-Nazis in part by turning Nazi tactics on them. The comic book version of Constantine is an English blond blue-eyed character battling a "Damnation Army" constructed of former British neo-Nazis called "British Boys" (See Hellblazer #6 "Extreme Prejudice" by Jamie Delano).

Then, of course, there was the symbolic defiling of the Catholic hospital (complete with a huge cross outside a building shaped like a cross, along with a pool that features in the film shaped like – a cross, of course). The hospital is where one character goes mad, and an abortion is performed. Yes, an abortion. The careful viewer would see in the scene of a demonic baby seeking to burst out of the new Mary’s belly a critique of the scene in the 1970s horror film the Exorcist, where two priests speak the traditional right of exorcism to remove a demon in possession of a body. Only here, in Constantine, JC not only stops a "Caesarian" birth by an evil and "fallen" arch-angel Gabriel, but also attempts to perform the exorcism to literally kill the Son of the Devil in the womb. It was an attempted abortion using Catholic doctrine that drew crude laughs for being so over-the-top anti-Catholic -- in the largely Catholic suburban community in metro-Boston that this author saw the movie in.

JC is also helped by an exorcist named "Beeman" (played by Max Baker) who has been reduced to living off a trade in religious trinkets (some of them familiar to viewers from certain Christian televangelists) tucked away behind an abandoned bowling alley, above which lives Constantine. This lower order "exorcist" served as an apparent "critique" of the televangelists marketing such trinkets to "bowlers" in America. In the end, Beeman dies after Balthazar (the symbolic patriotic American) causes flies to consume him like a piece of @#@#.

Constantine, the allegorical defender of Western civilization, lives in Los Angeles and screams in the film like a Border Patrol agent that he will "deport" the possessed back to Hell. He then proceeds to battle against a swarthy Mexican criminal who has come to Los Angeles to rape a white woman (who has psychic powers and is a twin, and that’s all I’ll write, because there are many wanton and obscure allegories in the plot line) and conceive the Son of the Devil. Along the way, John Constantine is assaulted in the middle of an L.A. boulevard named "Figueroa," by a "soldier demon," in a scene that invoked memories of the L.A. riot and what happened to a truck driver.

Rachel Weisz, who previously played the good little Stalinist lover of the hero in Enemy at the Gates, plays an annoyingly critical "Catholic" upset that the Catholic Church won’t give her sister a proper burial because she committed suicide. Weisz’s lines after returning from a brief entry into Hell courtesy of Constantine drowning her for a split second are utterly incomprehensible. Her character is ultimately targeted for corruption in a scene that symbolized a gang attack on a dark street in L.A. Her ultimate attacker, a Mexican who car-jacks a vehicle to drive to L.A. to rape her, carries with him the "spear of destiny," or the tip of the spear that a Roman soldier used to kill Jesus Christ. The movie’s story-line is that he will leave that spear while attacking her to conceive the anti-Christ.

That Son of the Devil will, in turn, be released by the "fallen" Archangel Gabriel (played by a woman here, Tilda Swinton, as a male-dressing lesbian version of the Biblical Archangel who announces and enables the births of John the Baptist and Mary). In this film, it is Gabriel who will use the spear to conduct a Caesarian birth. In the Christian Bible only the Gospel of Luke adopts the Jewish lore of the arch-angel Gabriel (since Luke was written to proselytize to and convert Hebrew sects), along with references to Michael and Raphael (the other two arch-angels of Jewish mythology, and one of the "seven" angels said to "stand before the Lord" (Tob., xii, 15)). It is Gabriel who appears to announce the births of John the Baptist and Mary and comfort JC (in the film Gabriel is shown strengthening JC, but with a vulgarity as a punch-line). In the Christian tradition, Gabriel is an angel of mercy (and incapable of "falling" in the manner shown in the film), while Michael is the angel of judgment. It is in the Jewish tradition that these symbols are reversed, as in the film Constantine, while Gabriel (in Daniel) is an angel foretelling the destruction of the enemies of the Jews (including the Persian Empire and Sodom, in one case after the appearance of a horned ram). Here, Gabriel’s encounter with "Lucifer" has her/him/shim/it calling the Devil a "little horn." Care to guess which empire – one that includes L.A. -- is thus predicted to fall?

One might be tempted to imagine that the film was actually offering a sympathetic portrayal of an American Catholic in L.A. under attack from illegal immigrants from Hell. Far from it. Like the Matrix trilogy, there’s a catch. Most of the character names and allegories are "critiques." To start with, JC isn’t really Jesus Christ reincarnated. He is, according to the comic book series the film is based on, a crude anarchist who has tricked the three lords of Hell (including two we see in the film, Lucifer and Balthazar) into competing to control his soul and thereby extend his human life. The film’s Constantine extends this trickery to keeping "fallen" Angels and their "rules" at bay, as well. Constantine is also busy throughout the film "deporting" "soldier demons" from a Demonic Army controlled by Lucifer (the "human" version is played by Peter Stormare near the movie’s end). That is, he is trying to keep his non-"believing" rule-twisting human "plane" of existence free of both Hellish demons AND Angels capable of wreaking destruction and evil (Gabriel in the film) – in an apparent "critique" illustrating the potential for certain Judeo-Christian symbols and "rules" to wreak havoc.

JC was in Hell the first time, the film explains, because he committed suicide after his normal (read "nuclear" white-bread and middle American) family put him into a mental institution for seeing the evil in American society. That is, JC’s path to Hell was paved by the "Leave It To Beaver" world of middle-class America marginalizing a boy who could see the evil in certain Americans (on a bus, in particular). Thrust back onto our "plane," JC is beset, as any former citizen of Hell might be, with a fire in his body – symbolized in the film by his chain-smoking and coughing. That is, until the Devil keeps him from being taken to Heaven and removes the sickness from his chest while declaring that he will give JC another chance to prove his soul belongs to Lucipher. In the comic books it is clearer that Constantine has an evil, good, and human side, where there is a Demon Constantine to his human Constantine, and that his personal struggle is to ensure that his human self casts enough evil to Hell to ensure his entry in Heaven upon his death.

This "balance" is maintained until what tips it? The film suggests it is a combination of Balthazar’s schemes (overtly and crudely portrayed as a possessed American patriot) and the "fall" of a "mad" feminized "half-breed" Gabriel (a metaphorical symbol of Judeo-Christian "rules," particularly those concerning sexual roles, creating madness and evil).

Nor is JC anti-immigrant. His protégé is a cab driver from Brooklyn. Constantine also gains the assistance of a Caribbean Voodoo witch doctor called Midnight (Djimon Honsou), who is running a "neutral" underground club for the corrupt and possessed. In the comic book series, this sanctuary is run by a man named Ray Monde, who has AIDS. The casting call for the movie also reportedly intended to have the "criminal" rapist with the spear role represent an escapee from a Turkish prison. Somewhere along the line this was changed to the Mexican-looking figure, which no doubt confused some viewers about whether JC was anti-immigrant as he "deported" the evil back to Hell (and led some reviewers to trash the movie out of a knee-jerk political correctness). In fact, the only "PC" was in the film – when Balthazar, portrayed as an uber-patriotic American with flags flying on tv screens, is slaughtered by JC. Moreover, prior to Kramer’s gaining of his wings in the final sequence (at the end of the credits), the only "angel" influencing people for good is shown to be a Mexican immigrant store clerk kneeling down over the dead defrocked priest. Before going further, one need only read that the producers included Lauren Donner of X-Men (a classic of 1990s multi-cultural propaganda) and screenplay writers included Kevin Brodbin (of Steven Seagal’s "The Glimmer Man"), to realize that this was going to be more Hollywood "PC."

The film itself mocks the Passion and death of Christ. JC declares himself repeatedly to have been re-born out of Hell (after committing suicide), and destined for Hell again, while also disavowing any "faith" or "belief" in God. That is, rather than acting as a Son of God, this film’s JC is a militantly agnostic Son of Man, re-born out of sin (an anti-baptist). JC’s destiny of going back to Hell is reversed by his "sacrifice" to save the life of his anarchist (to hell with the "rules") female co-lead named "Angela Dodson" (A.D.), who is played by Weisz. The difference here is that JC in this revolutionary virtual cinema propaganda exercise commits suicide rather than inciting earthly powers to reveal their inherent evil and lawlessness and murder him. What are the film’s writers, director, and producers driving at here? Could it be that they mean what they are showing, and propose that the allegorical Son of God and defender of Western civilization, Constantine, and all of those who believe in what they created on this "plane" of existence, all go kill themselves?

It is A.D. who becomes Gabriel’s metaphorical Mary for the Son of the Devil. Only here, A.D. is also a murderer (with the job of law enforcement agent [in a swipe at the LAPD]) who feels the need to constantly seek forgiveness through confession for her killings (and not necessarily all properly in the line of duty). Mary the Murderer thus asks the non-"believing" JC to abort the Son of the Devil, while JC is forced to use a symbol on his arms to prompt the "fall" of Gabriel, who in turn attempts to conduct a Caesarian birth to bring forth the Son of the Devil. In the end, there is no redemption, no faith, no goodness that results from any of this. Only "extension" (Lucipher to JC) before the inevitable rule of Hell on Earth. Then, after all of the ridicule and mocking of Catholic Doctrine and middle America, the ultimate "hero" in the film – the Brooklynite agnostic "Kramer" (who mocks, along with JC, Midnight’s praying in one scene) -- gets his wings. Woah...

So who is JC, really? The answer is in the symbol he uses when crossing his arms together to bring down Gabriel. They combine to obscure interior elements to make an "A" (with what looked like bolts of lighting [Nordic socialist symbols]) with a circle around it all. That’s the symbol of Anarchists (going back to the Spanish Civil War at least) that JC wields with a fury to unleash Gabriel. In this context, Warner Brothers brings Constantine into its rapidly expanding portfolio of propaganda tracts for left-wing and anti-Christian political Nihilism and Anarchy (along with The Matrix films, and many others hostile to Christianity and Western traditions). There’s no doubt about it. Hollywood continues to unleash Hell upon younger generations.


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1 posted on 05/26/2005 8:56:30 PM PDT by CaptIsaacDavis
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To: CaptIsaacDavis
That blockbuster science fiction trilogy starred Keanu Reeves in the role of a "Neo" (actually false) Jesus Christ who rejects Christian and Western culture in favor of Nihilistic revolution to save a Bolshevik-influenced "Zion" by imposing a revolutionary Eastern "order" controlled by an Indian goddess ("Sati") upon the "bourgeois" (quoting the Merovingian) capitalist commodities inside "the Matrix."

I'd like to know the list of controlled substances this clown was taking when he was watching the Matrix movies.

The ability of the new "perpetually indignant" (a term PJ O'Rourke coined for perpetually whiny and offended leftists, but unfortunately it now seems there are plenty on the Religious Right) to find an anti-Christian agenda when none exists is astounding.

2 posted on 05/26/2005 9:00:02 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: AbeKrieger

Abe?


3 posted on 05/26/2005 9:01:50 PM PDT by tiggs (Bellboy! I gotta get runnin now.)
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To: CaptIsaacDavis
The Matrix is science fiction drawing upon Gnostic, Eastern philosophy and Deconstructionist lines of thought. It was a somewhat interesting look at a world in which computers reshaped reality and thought processes. I don't think the new film will get the same reception, since it seems to be to be a thinly-disguised slam at Christianity.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
4 posted on 05/26/2005 9:06:47 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Strategerist

No kidding. And writing style is so turgid. Change a few words around, and this could be a screed from a Communist Party Newsletter.


5 posted on 05/26/2005 9:07:06 PM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: CaptIsaacDavis

Wow. I can't wait to miss this one.


6 posted on 05/26/2005 9:07:11 PM PDT by Right Angler
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To: Strategerist
The Matrix is open to many interpretations. If you lived in the world of the movie, "reality" is in the eye of the beholder. However you see it, that's the world that exists. We all live in a solipsistic universe of sorts.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
7 posted on 05/26/2005 9:09:00 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Actually I suspect this guy never saw any of the Matrix movies and somehow put together his synopsis from some other fevered morons.


8 posted on 05/26/2005 9:10:35 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: CaptIsaacDavis

The movie made me laugh, it was too silly to take that seriously.


9 posted on 05/26/2005 9:13:20 PM PDT by Brett66 (W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1)
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To: CaptIsaacDavis

sounds like a cool movie


10 posted on 05/26/2005 9:14:10 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (I reject your reality and subsitute my own! - Adam Savage)
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To: Strategerist

There is a lot of anti-US and anti-Christian bias in films,but i don't see the parallels the author is trying to draw with the Matrix.Maybe i'm just not "deep" enough.When Hollywood wants to make a political statement it's usually pretty blatant.BTW i haven't seen Matrix2 yet.I heard it's not very good.


11 posted on 05/26/2005 9:16:04 PM PDT by thombo
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To: Strategerist

Coming soon: Garfield the Cat: Harmless yet sarcastic house tabby or evil anti-Christian Communist Pussy?!


12 posted on 05/26/2005 9:23:22 PM PDT by TheBigB (WWSBD? What would SpongeBob do?)
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To: CaptIsaacDavis

Way too many words about a bunch of crappy movies.


13 posted on 05/26/2005 9:23:39 PM PDT by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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To: CaptIsaacDavis
WB is the firm that promoted the overtly anti-Christian and pro-Communist "revolutionary virtual" trilogy called The Matrix.

Say WHAT?? I read it just the opposite: you live in a system wherein the government takes care of your body while feeding off your energy (socialism). The real world is a lot uglier, but it's real and you're free.

But okay, whatever.

14 posted on 05/26/2005 9:32:53 PM PDT by wizardoz (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they AREN'T out to get you.)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

Not to mention that he claims (twice) Gabriel announces the birth of Mary? In a word, No.


15 posted on 05/26/2005 9:38:12 PM PDT by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: TheBigB

You mean like some otherwise-hot actresses?


16 posted on 05/26/2005 9:40:13 PM PDT by Erasmus ("The best-laid men gang oft a-gley." --Robt. Burns)
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To: Erasmus

Heh, heh...exactly! ;o)


17 posted on 05/26/2005 9:41:14 PM PDT by TheBigB (WWSBD? What would SpongeBob do?)
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Ping to self for later pingout?


18 posted on 05/26/2005 9:45:03 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: CaptIsaacDavis

This dude is seriously wacked out.


19 posted on 05/26/2005 9:45:15 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Strategerist
Yep. He was either on drugs or he never even watched any of the Matrix movies in the first place (and 'heard' about them from others).
20 posted on 05/26/2005 9:47:38 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear tipped ICBMs: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol.)
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To: CaptIsaacDavis
WHOOO- EEE this guy was high when he wrote this..
21 posted on 05/26/2005 9:52:26 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: CaptIsaacDavis

Constantine is an OCCULT film.


22 posted on 05/26/2005 10:08:52 PM PDT by ColdSteelTalon
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To: CaptIsaacDavis

That was the all-time stupidest review I have ever read, heard, or dreamed about. WTF


23 posted on 05/26/2005 10:44:24 PM PDT by packrat35 (reality is for people who can't face science fiction)
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To: CaptIsaacDavis

But he lost on American Idol


24 posted on 05/26/2005 10:44:57 PM PDT by Fledermaus (The New 7 RINO Dwarfs: Cowardly, Cranky, Dopey, Goofy, Mealy, Sorry and Wussy)
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To: CaptIsaacDavis

Tin foil hat time.


25 posted on 05/27/2005 2:01:19 AM PDT by MonroeDNA ("Eat my body, drink my blood"--Catholics)
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To: CaptIsaacDavis

I enjoy it when relegious nutjobs go off the deepend.

Trainwreck, and their heads just spin around.


26 posted on 05/27/2005 2:05:27 AM PDT by MonroeDNA ("Eat my body, drink my blood"--Catholics)
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To: tiggs

Sorry but I have "Family Guy" DVDs I am way behind on watching. I'll have to catch this one on "The Million Dollar Movie" some night at 2AM.


27 posted on 05/27/2005 5:12:01 AM PDT by AbeKrieger (Islam is the virus that causes al-Qaeda.)
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To: MonroeDNA

This is the second thread in the last 20 minutes I've been on where you take shots at Christians and Christianity.

I'd appreciate it very much if you'd knock it off.


28 posted on 05/27/2005 5:19:23 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Strategerist

Could you please! get a clue before spewing...
Check out...
http://www.bookfinder.us/review6/0664223435.html

The Wachowski Brothers made it clear in interviews (Detroit Free Press, etc.) that the inspiration for their films was Cornel West's Marxist revolutionary take on Christianity, which was itself an "innovation"/critique of Western institutional doctrines.


29 posted on 06/03/2005 6:41:08 PM PDT by CaptIsaacDavis (.)
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To: Strategerist

Could you please! get a clue before spewing...
Check out...
http://www.bookfinder.us/review6/0664223435.html

The Wachowski Brothers made it clear in interviews (Detroit Free Press, etc.) that the inspiration for their films was Cornel West's Marxist revolutionary take on Christianity, which was itself an "innovation"/critique of Western institutional doctrines.


30 posted on 06/03/2005 6:43:42 PM PDT by CaptIsaacDavis (.)
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To: thombo

The Matrix films were about as blatant as one can make it -- a "hero" slaughtering FBI/Secret Service "Agents" by the dozens. The negative responses to this particular item seem to hang up mainly on the quick references to the Matrix films offered by the author at the beginning. Problem is, it appears that few of the critics here seem to have actually paid attention while viewing the Matrix films, or bothered to ever read any of the numerous commentaries on the film that can be found online (where the authors actually read what the Wachowski Brothers, Cornel West, and a French radical named Baudrillard said about the movie's themes). The Matrix films don't clearly reveal the "plot" until the third film. The men behind the films, along with West and Baudrillard, have since made no bones about the fact that the films attempted to give a "revolutionary virtual cinema" adaptation of two books: one by a left-wing nihilist author (Baudrillard, who discusses nihilistic cultural terrorism in the article Neo is seen turning to in Matrix 1.0 to get at his store of digital representations of mescaline, and was the guy who popped up on some media outlets here briefly when he wrote publicly that we asked for 9/11!) and a top member of the Democratic Socialists of America named Cornel West (who has roles on the Politburo shown in Matrix 2.0 and 3.0). West revealed publicly in 2003 that the Brothers indicated to him that West's book Prophesy Deliverance (Marxist neo-Christian revolution) was a key inspiration for the film. Check out Baudrillard's comments about 9/11, and then consider that he once revealed that he rejected a request to play a role in Matrix 2.0-3.0 -- you can't get more "obvious" about what the films were pushing. They were the most blatant Marxist propaganda EVER seen widely here, complete with theme music from a band infamous for advocating terror emulating the Marxist "Weathermen."

Some starter backgrounders from other sites...

http://www.qkw.com/jon/thematrix.htm
http://www.chrisknipp.com/writing/viewtopic.php?t=120


31 posted on 06/04/2005 9:32:00 PM PDT by CaptIsaacDavis (.)
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To: CaptIsaacDavis

Thankyou,i will ck out the sites.I haven't seen 2 or 3 yet,but i'll take your word on what you say.You seem to know what your talking about.Basically what your saying is that the people involved in the Matrix(from the books to the movies)are Marxists,and the movies have marxist undertones(if u know the background).I must admit i viewed the movie as pure entertainment,and(imo)a very creative story line.


32 posted on 06/04/2005 10:09:19 PM PDT by thombo
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To: CaptIsaacDavis
"They were the most blatant Marxist propaganda EVER seen widely here, complete with theme music from a band infamous for advocating terror emulating the Marxist "Weathermen."

I agree. I'm no expert on Christianity or Western culture and even I could see the syrupy Marxism-Leninism and anti-Western ovatures while watching it. It was pretty thick throughout the movies. Unfortunately, too many people grow up ignorant of the culture they live in and see little cause in defending assaults against it. 40 years ago the schools were steeped in socialism; now socialism reigns in many parts of the country, particularly in popular culture. Today the schools are indoctrinating marxism and anti-Christian hatred among other things so it's an easy bet what the future will bring.

The anti-Western, anti-Christian tribalists know what they are doing and have used the media, the courts, publishing and academia to their advantage for quite a long time. It's too bad many people don't recognize depravity for what it is.

33 posted on 06/04/2005 10:54:44 PM PDT by Justa (Politically Correct is morally wrong.)
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To: thombo

Also...the film's creator...Larry Wachowski is quoted here...

http://www.matrixfans.net/symbolism/meanings.php

Larry: Yeah, and he's probably more of a marxist than I am [Ken laughs], in terms of these ideas affecting and informing history...


34 posted on 06/11/2005 12:11:49 AM PDT by CaptIsaacDavis (.)
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To: CaptIsaacDavis

Thanx for the info.Ck'd out the sites you reccomended.I'm gonna have to see Matrix 2+3.Matrix 1 kept me glued to the screen.Isn't it ironic that writers(not just the Matrix)trash the system/society that allows them the creative freedom to do so in the first place?BTW,these guys are also(i assume)multi-millionaires now.Ahhh the joys of capitalism:)


35 posted on 06/11/2005 8:12:54 AM PDT by thombo
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To: CaptIsaacDavis
Constantine the Movie: Science Fiction or Anti-Catholic and Anarchist Propaganda?

You omitted the third (and correct) choice, which is Over-CGIed Keanu Reeves Mumbling Shooting Flying Fake-Stunts Summer Flop.
36 posted on 06/11/2005 8:14:57 AM PDT by Xenalyte (End women's suffrage! Hasn't the country suffered enough?)
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To: CaptIsaacDavis

The author is overly fond of quotation marks. My eyes hurt.


37 posted on 06/11/2005 8:15:42 AM PDT by Xenalyte (End women's suffrage! Hasn't the country suffered enough?)
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To: CaptIsaacDavis
Okay, this is where I stopped reading:

The careful viewer would see in the scene of a demonic baby seeking to burst out of the new Mary’s belly a critique of the scene in the 1970s horror film the Exorcist, where two priests speak the traditional right of exorcism to remove a demon in possession of a body.

I mean, really. This is not UCLA film school, and no scene in "Constantine" is meant as a "critique" of ANYTHING. (Besides, "critique" is the wrong word; a better would be "reference.")

Why must people constantly impute motive where there is none?
38 posted on 06/11/2005 8:17:48 AM PDT by Xenalyte (End women's suffrage! Hasn't the country suffered enough?)
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To: ColdSteelTalon

No, "Constantine" is a BORING movie.

(Films are shown in art houses. Anything starring Keanu Reeves, by definition, is a movie.)


39 posted on 06/11/2005 8:18:42 AM PDT by Xenalyte (End women's suffrage! Hasn't the country suffered enough?)
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To: RightOnline; MonroeDNA

I gotta side with Monroe on this one. The author is clearly off his nut.


40 posted on 06/11/2005 8:19:12 AM PDT by Xenalyte (End women's suffrage! Hasn't the country suffered enough?)
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To: Strategerist
I'd like to know the list of controlled substances this clown was taking when he was watching the Matrix movies.

My first thought when reading the opening paragraph was, "this guy needs to have his medication adjusted!" LOL!!!

Mark

41 posted on 06/11/2005 8:19:19 AM PDT by MarkL (I've got a fever, and the only prescription is MORE COWBELL!!!)
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To: CaptIsaacDavis
The Wachowski Brothers made it clear in interviews (Detroit Free Press, etc.) that the inspiration for their films was Cornel West's Marxist revolutionary take on Christianity, which was itself an "innovation"/critique of Western institutional doctrines.

Well the Wachowski Brothers are something of whack jobs themselves (isn't one of the brothers now a "sister?") And it wouldn't suprise me if they got their inspiration from another whack job, Cornel West, who they also cast in their movies. I still can't believe that guy's a professor...

Mark

42 posted on 06/11/2005 8:23:19 AM PDT by MarkL (I've got a fever, and the only prescription is MORE COWBELL!!!)
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To: CaptIsaacDavis
Well, to put it bluntly, while the first Matrix movie was ground breaking in its effects, and extremely stylish, it was also the best of the movies, precisely because it wasn't full of the sort of stuff you mention.

Let's not forget, those "FBI/Secret Service 'Agents'" that you mention were controlled by, and a part of the Matrix, which held all humans in slavery. So, wouldn't that be more like killing KGB/GRU agents?

The second movie was OK (if they actually shipped Ducatis like that, on a truck, ready to ride, as opposed to disassembled in crates, I'd become a truck hijacker), up until the end where he met "the architect." Then the script went all to hell. And as far as I'm concerned, the third movie sucked, although I did like watching the wife of the "operator" on Morpheous' ship. Man, she was a babe!!!!

Mark

43 posted on 06/11/2005 8:29:47 AM PDT by MarkL (I've got a fever, and the only prescription is MORE COWBELL!!!)
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To: Xenalyte
No, "Constantine" is a BORING movie.

Well its both thats for sure. Your point is well taken :-)

44 posted on 06/12/2005 7:55:05 PM PDT by ColdSteelTalon
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To: ColdSteelTalon

Actually, I liked Constantine for what it was, an AVANT GARDE STORY BASED ON A COMIC BOOK THAT HAS A HERO STRUGGLING WITH HIS CONSCIENCE.

Some people are thinking toooo hard.


46 posted on 06/13/2005 10:07:13 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: CaptIsaacDavis
One of the fundamental necessities of any propaganda organ is that its message be understandable at least on some level by those whom it targets. In the case of The Matrix trilogy, the vast majority of those who attempted any deeper analysis of the films than "That was cool!" seemed to find strong Manichean and Valentinian overtones. I noted some of these as well, but the whole charade fell apart with the introduction of so much Eastern mysticism and elements of the Priory of Sion. In short, about fifteen minutes into the second film, it was obvious the writers were going to subject us to the muddled stew of new-age mystical synthesis so favored in usenet groups and fringe websites. Once it became obvious that these ideas were nothing more than plausible deniability for the Wachowski brothers, it was easy to just sit back and enjoy the effects and the marshal arts. Plausible deniability, you ask? Of course. It wouldn't do for these boys to get nailed at the latest Hollywood cocktail party with the accusation that they just made a special effects bonanza targeted at teenage boys, now would it? That's exactly what they did, because that's where the money is, but that just doesn't play well in the self-important atmosphere so crucial to the film industry's social life.

And if ascribing anything deep to The Matrix was a mistake, doing the same for Constantine is a blunder of colossal proportions. This is nothing more than the latest adaptation of whatever underground or quasi-underground comic book writers and producers could find that easily lent itself to film. The only thing Constantine had in common with The Matrix was Keanu Reeves. Far from calling up references to Neo, Trinity, Morpheus, and the gang, I was more reminded of The Prophecy, with Christopher Walken playing a far better fallen Gabriel, and Hellboy, with its cynical, morally ambiguous hero. But mostly I was struck by a movie that could have been a lot better. I fail to understand why anyone would ever put Keanu Reeves in their movie. Not only is he one of the worst actors of this generation, but parts for a non-animated Butthead (or was that Beavis?), which is the only part he seems to be able to play, don't exactly show up in every script.

The biggest problem with trying to ascribe any propagandist motives to anything coming out of Hollywood is that it gives way too much credit for intelligence and character depth to these people. These are people who understand spirituality and philosophy on a Cliffs Notes level. Besides, it just tickles them to no end to hear that someone has found meaning in their work that is obviously so much deeper than they intended or were capable of. If for no other reason than that, articles like this one are pretty pointless.
47 posted on 06/13/2005 12:37:13 PM PDT by NCSteve
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To: NCSteve

btt


48 posted on 06/13/2005 11:23:38 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: FastCoyote
Constantine the Movie: Science Fiction or Anti-Catholic and Anarchist Propaganda?

How about a cool movie based on a comic book.

49 posted on 06/13/2005 11:43:49 PM PDT by FreedomSurge
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To: CaptIsaacDavis

BTT 4 L8R


50 posted on 06/13/2005 11:48:36 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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