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The Union Leader ^ | May 27, 2005 | NHAntiMassRedRebel

Posted on 05/27/2005 1:28:06 PM PDT by NHAntiMassRedRebel

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To: NHAntiMassRedRebel

I'm not a freestater, or a Libertarian, if that's what you mean. I've spent over 15 years in NE, including MA & NH. The "Live Free or Die" is a nice idea for a state motto, it's probably the worst bad joke there is on a license plate.


51 posted on 05/27/2005 2:46:25 PM PDT by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: NHAntiMassRedRebel

If the government knows the best practices, it could serve the public much better by publishing their information for the general public to consume. Such as PSA's on TV and radio.

But this really isn't about public health. This is about busy-body bureaucrats telling more and more people how to live their lives.


52 posted on 05/27/2005 2:47:00 PM PDT by MichiganConservative (Government IS the problem.)
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To: MichiganConservative

"This is about busy-body bureaucrats telling more and more people how to live their lives."

... and coercing quite a bit of money out of businesspeople in the process.


53 posted on 05/27/2005 2:48:35 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: NHAntiMassRedRebel

Nail cutting should be nationalized, unionized, and heavily regulated.


54 posted on 05/27/2005 2:52:04 PM PDT by ran15
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To: NHAntiMassRedRebel
But, I will never agree with the Libertarian notion that every individual is fully capable of governing themselves. For the general public to be fully protected (including those who aren't capable of making those decisions, such as kids and disabled adults) the law needs to step in somewhere.

The thing is that for the government to protect these people, they pass laws that affect me as as well. And why aren't the parents of the children responsible for their safety? Why is the state responsible for the safety of every child from bad businessmen?

Why exactly would the municipality be liable if I go to a bad barber and he cuts part of my ear off? I'd sue the barber, not the city. Licensed barber or not.

55 posted on 05/27/2005 2:53:32 PM PDT by MichiganConservative (Government IS the problem.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Well, yes. Except for one thing: we aren't a bunch of hicks who can be bought, sold, or manipulated. That is the real reason why I, and most other Granite Staters, resent them choosing us. I don't think that's unreasonable. The whole idea that we are dumb and easily manipulated is patently offensive, and if you do some research into the movement they were looking for a rural state with a small population of people who were, in so many words, uninformed. How would you feel?

I think that the Libertarian party has alot of good qualities, and that these are the extremists. Hell, anybody who would pack up and move somewhere totally new on the basis of a political experiment has to be an extremist. I think that licensing from the government, despite a few drawbacks, is in place for a very good reason.

Hey everybody, let's all become Freestaters and give everybody, including the blind and illegal immigrants, drivers' licenses! Hmmm....

And you thought they drove bad in Mass!!!


56 posted on 05/27/2005 2:54:10 PM PDT by NHAntiMassRedRebel (Our only fault is that we're 40 minutes north of Boston.)
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To: NHAntiMassRedRebel

I've read some of their material. It seemed to me that they were looking for a state with a relatively small population which already had a lot of libertarian leanings. The small population aspect was so that 20,000 political activists could come in and make a difference by evangelizing about how nifty freedom from government nannyism is.


57 posted on 05/27/2005 2:59:16 PM PDT by MichiganConservative (Government IS the problem.)
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To: ran15

"Nail cutting should be nationalized, unionized, and heavily regulated."

LOL, and the degrading, bourgeois practice of performing pedicures and toenail painting shall be vigorously protested as being a reactionary relic of bloodsucking capitalists, but only during the mandatory 35 hour work week.


58 posted on 05/27/2005 2:59:48 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: agitator

I kinda like it, and in a state that has a property tax as it's only major tax it rings true for the most part. No income tax, no sales tax. I like that one.

We need to let go of the Old Man though. He needs to be taken off.

I never would've guessed that you weren't one. That license plate was about the most Libertarian thing I've ever seen, except that they probably wouldn't have plates.


59 posted on 05/27/2005 3:02:42 PM PDT by NHAntiMassRedRebel (Our only fault is that we're 40 minutes north of Boston.)
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To: NHAntiMassRedRebel

"The whole idea that we are dumb and easily manipulated is patently offensive, and if you do some research into the movement they were looking for a rural state with a small population of people who were, in so many words, uninformed. How would you feel?"

As I mentioned before, I'm a southerner. I probably have more exposure to this sort of attitude than you realize. I'm also quite familiar with the Free State Project. I'd call myself a "small l" libertarian; I will vote for the Libertarian candidate if there is little potential consequence from doing so, and vote Republican when it really matters. The reason New Hampshire was chosen had nothing do to with a sense of disdain for NH natives; on the contrary, they believed and still believe that you have the most in common with them. That is a very important distinction... they respect you and your views and your style of governance, with a relative lack of government interference.

I've had to learn to accept that my hometown and county are going to change. It's not something that can easily be halted, no matter how much I might want it to be. Many, if not most, of the "outsiders" that I have to deal with really do believe that we natives are ignorant hicks. This is a belief that goes back centuries. The Free Stater "outsiders" you're having to deal with chose to come to your state because it was seen as the one place most hospitable to them, with people who came the closest to agreeing with their beliefs. I'd trade our arrogant yankees for your Free Staters in a heartbeat. Wanna swap?


60 posted on 05/27/2005 3:10:04 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: NHAntiMassRedRebel
I see that you voted for a rat and against Prop 1.
61 posted on 05/27/2005 3:10:16 PM PDT by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State)
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To: agitator
? Why do they have an image of a green-shadowed moon on their plates?

(ducks) *snicker*

62 posted on 05/27/2005 3:41:04 PM PDT by Utilizer (Some days you're the windshield. Some days you're the bug...)
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To: Little Bill

You're such a cute kid on that cartoon. I voted for Bush and Prop 1 wasn't even a consideration. Of course, I don't know what you're talking about anyway. Care to explain?


63 posted on 05/27/2005 3:42:30 PM PDT by NHAntiMassRedRebel (Our only fault is that we're 40 minutes north of Boston.)
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To: newsgatherer
We nolonger refer to [Maine] as vacationland, now it is Taxation Land.

Be fair. The University of Maine is still 'vacationland'.

64 posted on 05/27/2005 3:46:08 PM PDT by Grut
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To: RegulatorCountry

We have plenty of arrogant Yankees up here too. They're called Boston commuters. I'm assuming you live in the Atlanta-area, which went crazy with growth in the '90's and now nobody has jobs and the streets look more jammed than Kirstie Allie's arteries. Don't generalize and say that all Yankees are alike. We have more in common than you think.

If you do a little digging, and I'll post this link later, you'll find that the Free Staters wanted an easily manipulatable population. They've probably taken the link down now, but I saw it earlier this year. They can kiss my ass.


65 posted on 05/27/2005 3:46:16 PM PDT by NHAntiMassRedRebel (Our only fault is that we're 40 minutes north of Boston.)
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To: Utilizer

They could put the Inian Head on there, or mount Uncanoonok, which is Iriquois for "Woman's Breasts". Check it out the next time you're in Manch-Vegas.


66 posted on 05/27/2005 3:48:20 PM PDT by NHAntiMassRedRebel (Our only fault is that we're 40 minutes north of Boston.)
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To: NHAntiMassRedRebel

Sounds good, mate. On both counts! *grin*


67 posted on 05/27/2005 3:54:21 PM PDT by Utilizer (Some days you're the windshield. Some days you're the bug...)
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To: NHAntiMassRedRebel
See the change to Artical 73 of the NH Constitution, passed by the General Court in Constitutional Convention and ratified by the Citizens.
68 posted on 05/29/2005 4:57:22 PM PDT by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State)
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To: Little Bill

Gotcha. I voted by absentee ballot last year and can't remember if it was on when I filled it out. I would've definitely supported it though. Who's the rat?


69 posted on 05/29/2005 5:31:53 PM PDT by NHAntiMassRedRebel (Our only fault is that we're 40 minutes north of Boston.)
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To: NHAntiMassRedRebel
Kinda of cuts the balls off of the Supremes in the law making field.
70 posted on 05/29/2005 5:58:35 PM PDT by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State)
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To: NHAntiMassRedRebel

I'm not in the Atlanta area, I'm in NC. The unemployment rate in my home county is 4.6%, which is a minor miracle due to the fact that most of the major industry in the area is being pounded by imports. The relocation trend has been strong here since the 70's. Not on the scale of Atlanta, but strong. You can have Atlanta, it may as well be a UFO landed in the middle of the Georgia countryside. The arrogant yankees to which I referred are the ones who refuse to adapt to new surroundings. Liberal Democrats all, wanting to save us from ourselves. As if their relocation proved anything other than the exact opposite, LOL. Some of my inlaws are conservative New Englanders, the sort of yankee that is not such a problem. I'd take all we could get like that down here, just as I'd take your Free Staters in exchange for all the pitiful, whiney, transplanted northern lefties.


71 posted on 05/31/2005 9:24:37 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Yeah, we do have alot in common in this respect.

I hate it when new people come in and start making demands instead of trying to adapt. The problem is that, more often than not, the rich ones don't have to adapt and can grease enough palms to get done whatever they want. It's the ones without money who were just looking for something new that I can stomach, because usually they don't have any ulterior motives. They just want to live in a new place.

Look up what's been going on in NH over the last 7-8 years. You might hear a familiar tale...


72 posted on 05/31/2005 12:39:40 PM PDT by NHAntiMassRedRebel (Our only fault is that we're 40 minutes north of Boston.)
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To: NJ_gent
Which other state has a license plate which can compete with "LIVE FREE OR DIE"?

Montana used to come pretty cl;ose:


73 posted on 11/11/2005 2:15:53 PM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: NHAntiMassRedRebel; All

Here's my solution to many of these licensing problems. Instead of state licensing (which at least 9 times out of 10 or more is loathesome, unnecessary, expensive, etc), better to have private organizations or associations, kind of like guilds. Carpenters' guild, bakers' guild, hairstylists' guild, etc. Voluntary. If someone joins the guild, their work/workplace etc needs to be up to a certain standard - as determined by those who are members of the guild. If they maintain the standards, they get to be a member, and have their work/place of work stamped "guild approved".

Those who don't want to join the guild don't get to have the stamp. Those who want to buy or hire non-guild work would probably pay less, and take the risk that the work etc might not be up to standard. But it's their risk.

I think that's a much better plan.


74 posted on 11/11/2005 2:32:19 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: NHAntiMassRedRebel

I'm willing to join the Free State project. How is the pizza in New Hampshire. How is the job situation for an MBA?


75 posted on 11/11/2005 2:33:49 PM PST by Clemenza (In League with the Freemasons, The Bilderbergers, and the Learned Elders of Zion)
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To: archy

Very nice. So, how have things been lately?


76 posted on 11/13/2005 7:41:32 PM PST by Jacob Kell (Reagan 3:16: He whooped Communism's ass!)
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To: RegulatorCountry
Liberal Democrats all, wanting to save us from ourselves.

Ain't that the truth.

Down here in the Orlando area we have "NewYoricans" - Puerto Ricans that have lived in NY most of their lives have decided to come down to Orlando.

They have huge Yankess stickers in their back window in Puerto Rican flag colors, and the PR flag itself hanging from somewhere on the vehicle.

I find it extremely funny that they proclaim their love for NY and PR and yet they live in neither one.

77 posted on 11/13/2005 8:00:19 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: Jacob Kell
Very nice. So, how have things been lately?

I've been busy with Katrina/Rita aftermath and after-action writeups. So far as the FSP and FWP, I've been following things out West more than in RI, but there's activity in both locations.

78 posted on 11/14/2005 11:50:03 AM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: archy

So in what states have you been busy, and could you tell me what it's like?


79 posted on 11/14/2005 12:36:24 PM PST by Jacob Kell (Reagan 3:16: He whooped Communism's ass!)
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