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Kerry Finally Signs Vietnam Release
NewMax.com ^ | Saturday, May 28, 2005 12:02 a.m. EDT | With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 05/28/2005 10:38:40 AM PDT by Prost1

After pledging to Tim Russert that he would sign a form authorizing the Defense Department to release his military records, Sen. John Kerry has finally put his signature on the document.

Appearing on NBC's "Meet the Press" on Jan. 30, Kerry told host Tim Russert that he would sign the form known as SF 180, but did not say when he would do it.

It took him a solid 110 days to get around to it, and then only after a continuous drumbeat of demands from some conservatives.

A Kerry spokesman told the Washington Times the form is now in the hands of the Navy, where it will be processed before being passed to the National Personnel Records Center. The process could take a couple of months.

Once they are made public, the documents will either prove or disprove claims the Swift Boat veterans leveled against the senator during the 2004 presidential election campaign.

Kerry and his media allies such as the New York Times called the Swift Boat vets a bunch of politically motivated operatives who they claimed shamelessly vilified Kerry's war record.

For their part the vets charged that Kerry's real Vietnam service was so at odds with what he had for years claimed was his heroic war record that it proved him, as they put it, "unfit for command" as America's commander in chief.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: form180; kerry; medicalrecord; mtp
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Looks like Kerry has decided Not to seek another run at the presidency!
1 posted on 05/28/2005 10:38:40 AM PDT by Prost1
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To: Prost1

...or he's had enough time to tidy them up?


2 posted on 05/28/2005 10:41:02 AM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: Prost1
now in the hands of the Navy, where it will be processed before being passed to the National Personnel Records Center. The process could take a couple of months.

Thoroughly scrubbed is a better description...

3 posted on 05/28/2005 10:41:20 AM PDT by IncPen (There's nothing that a liberal can't improve using your money...)
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To: Prost1

Seeing is believing--see Polipundit.com and kausfiles. How do we know he signed it . And if he does will he mail it in or release all the records? Watch this space!


4 posted on 05/28/2005 10:41:28 AM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: Prost1
Once they are made public...

Yes, but who makes them public? Will there at least be an inventory available? Will the newsies accept only what is fed from the Kerry campaign? Will Kerry be allowed to redact information? I thought the whole point of the one-eight-oh was to allow FOIA access to the information from th source.

5 posted on 05/28/2005 10:42:19 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (NEWSWEEK LIED, PEOPLE DIED)
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To: bannie

the fix is in


6 posted on 05/28/2005 10:42:36 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: Prost1
A Kerry spokesman told the Washington Times the form is now in the hands of the Navy, where it will be processed before being passed to the National Personnel Records Center. The process could take a couple of months.

Okay, so maybe another 2 more months (not holding my breath).

7 posted on 05/28/2005 10:42:57 AM PDT by xJones
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To: Prost1

"...the documents will either prove or disprove claims the Swift Boat veterans..."

Oh geez not necessarily. They may have been Bowdlerized at the moment they were written.


8 posted on 05/28/2005 10:43:27 AM PDT by Felis_irritable
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To: Prost1

I think you're misinterpreting. He realizes that he'll never get elected President unless he releases it. So he's doing it now, hoping that the release will clear the way for another run.


9 posted on 05/28/2005 10:44:33 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: bannie

don't know but i don't think he can change anything??? but maybe a "friend" can


10 posted on 05/28/2005 10:45:02 AM PDT by camas
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To: IncPen; bannie

I share ya'lls thoughts on this---

we already know that there was "hanky-panky" with signatures on some of the forms...that the Sec. of Navy during the time some of these forms were supposedly signed by him, doesn't even remember signing them...

We also know from the Swifties, that Kerry managed to "massage" his record even while still in Vietnam, by writing his own reports with falsity and duplicity....

I wish I could be excited about this, but it is too EASY, all of a sudden....therefore, I highly doubt "the truth" will be known....

To borrow a famous phrase, "JUST DAMN".


11 posted on 05/28/2005 10:45:49 AM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: Prost1
I'm guessing a dishonorable, or a section 8. Why else would the lamestream media give him a pass before the election?

5.56mm

12 posted on 05/28/2005 10:46:06 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Txsleuth

They've learned a few things about creating fake documents.


13 posted on 05/28/2005 10:47:47 AM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: Prost1
Can you do a selective release using the Form 180?

Kerry then most likely went over his entire record and stipulated what documents will be or will not be released.

It would explain why it took Kerry 110 days to do the form 180.

14 posted on 05/28/2005 10:47:57 AM PDT by demlosers
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

form 180 PING


15 posted on 05/28/2005 10:49:46 AM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: Prost1
B.S.!!!

Signing isn't enough. He has to send it in to the proper authorities and allow the papers to be released to the public.

I'm betting we will never see his papers untill Hillary releases them!

16 posted on 05/28/2005 10:50:02 AM PDT by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close to You and safely in Your arms.)
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To: bannie
I think you are right. Even though it helped him...I don't think that even Bush liked the swift's. These political people protect there own-- always figuring the day will come when they need the same favor. That is why Clinton and most of his crony's walked away. That is why Hillary's finance directer walked away. That is why Clinton's people can remove and destroy government documents and get a little slap on the hand. And most likely anything that would really hurt John Kerry has already been taken care of.
17 posted on 05/28/2005 10:51:41 AM PDT by Revel
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To: NonValueAdded
http://www.archives.gov/research_room/obtain_copies/standard_form_180.pdf

It all depends what he filled in Section III item #2.
My best guess is that he will send it to himself so he can clean it up.
Truth is that it is not sent to the Navy it is sent to NARA in St Louis. So they got that wrong.
I'm guessing 3-4 months, mine took about 5. An I only wanted my DD-214. The civilians at NARA are a joke. Sorry, but I called the military side and at least someone answered the phone and was polite and said she could get what I needed in a week or two. When I kidded her about the military side being different than the civilian side she didn't say anything but did kinda giggle.
18 posted on 05/28/2005 10:52:07 AM PDT by ProudVet77 (Warning: Frequent sarcastic posts)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Maybe, finally a start?


19 posted on 05/28/2005 10:52:18 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Prost1

So has anyone actually seen a copy of this allegedly-signed form 180?


20 posted on 05/28/2005 10:52:38 AM PDT by thoughtomator (The U.S. Constitution poses no serious threat to our form of government)
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To: Prost1

Regretably, the Bush administration has shown a consistent urge to cover up for the Democrats--certainly for the clintons, but also for kerry. Can anyone doubt that if the shoe were on the other foot and clinton were still in office, he would have managed to leak his oponents' records to the press? He did so with Linda Tripp's records at the Pentagon.

I don't know why on earth the Bush administration would want to scrub kerry's records, but it would not surprise me if they did. I can't imagine Kerry agreeing to release these records unless he has some assurance that they won't hurt him.


21 posted on 05/28/2005 10:53:22 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: bannie

Very eeeentehresting...

Need some pretty heavy hitters to get in and clean up
those records...

Perhaps a cleaner Kerry could keep the Hildabeast off her
feed for a while...


22 posted on 05/28/2005 10:58:26 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Taglines often reveal a lot about the inner person...)
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To: Cicero

I think the talk of "scrubbing" the records a bit on the paranpid side. You can't demand he release them and then say even if he does they'll be fake and remain credible.

Once he signs the form, a FOIA request is all it takes to make them public.

And since his opponents have a lot to gain if--as we all think they are harmful to him--I'd be surprised if the press remains silent.


23 posted on 05/28/2005 10:58:48 AM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: bannie

Should be a pretty short record, given that he was there only 4 months.


24 posted on 05/28/2005 11:00:16 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Prost1

"Once they are made public, the documents will either prove or disprove claims the Swift Boat veterans leveled against the senator during the 2004 presidential election campaign."

These records will be sooooo redacted and inked up as to make them unusable. Won't change a thing since he has had a year to make them what he wants them to be through the help of his "buddies" in records and Bush-hating higher ups.


25 posted on 05/28/2005 11:01:33 AM PDT by lawdude (Liberalism is a mental disease.)
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To: Prost1

Did Kerry serve in Viet Nam?


26 posted on 05/28/2005 11:02:51 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: IncPen
Thoroughly scrubbed is a better description...

Maybe the records can be found in Sandy Berger's socks.
27 posted on 05/28/2005 11:05:04 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: Prost1
Kerry's dodges
"At this point, it comes as no surprise. John Kerry is releasing all his military records — but then again, he isn't," Boston Globe columnist Joan Vennochi writes.

28 posted on 05/28/2005 11:06:47 AM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served, to keep us free.)
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To: Prost1

This will certainly cost Bush Florida and the election.

We're DOOOOOMED!!


29 posted on 05/28/2005 11:07:25 AM PDT by Redcloak (Over 16,000 served.)
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To: Prost1

The incriminating sheets of paper are in Sandy Berger's pants.


30 posted on 05/28/2005 11:07:57 AM PDT by HighWheeler (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. Ecclesiastes10:2)
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Oops... Sorry about that last post. The clock on my computer was off.


31 posted on 05/28/2005 11:07:58 AM PDT by Redcloak (Over 16,000 served.)
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To: Prost1; All

Whoever in the US Senate that gave Hanoi Kerry
a Top Secret Clearance HAS seen all his military records.

The FBI, since 9/11, does non military clearances.

His most recent one who have been in the spring/summer of '04
when he won the dims's nomination against President Bush.

NO ONE gets a Top Secret Clearance WITHOUT agreeing to have all your records released.

OR pass a FULL FBI check when someone
runs for the highest elected
office in th ecountry.

Does the DC crowd think "We the People" are stupid?


32 posted on 05/28/2005 11:08:09 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Be wary of the "Move On" FReepers! They want Hanoi Kerry to get a "free pass" mmmm Wonder Why?)
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To: SERKIT

damn you SERKIT, damn you!!


33 posted on 05/28/2005 11:08:45 AM PDT by HighWheeler (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. Ecclesiastes10:2)
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To: Brilliant

White-Out thickens the pages.
:p


34 posted on 05/28/2005 11:08:51 AM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: Prost1
The process could take a couple of months

That is a joke..........they will get lost or at least the damaging parts will be......no doubt!

35 posted on 05/28/2005 11:13:19 AM PDT by PISANO (We will not tire......We will not falter.......We will NOT FAIL!!! .........GW Bush [Oct 2001])
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To: bannie

Yep.


36 posted on 05/28/2005 11:23:07 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: SERKIT

"Did Kerry serve in Viet Nam?"

No, but he spent a night on the "Love Boat."


37 posted on 05/28/2005 11:36:51 AM PDT by politicalwit (USA...A Nation of Selective Law Enforcement.)
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To: Prost1

If he changes so much as a period on his papers he will have real prosecutable troubles.


38 posted on 05/28/2005 11:40:13 AM PDT by Bigfitz (The mind is like a parachute works best when open)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
NO ONE gets a Top Secret Clearance WITHOUT agreeing to have all your records released.

I don't think that is completely true. Functionally there must be an exception for some elected officials. E.g. would any honest security checker have given Bubba one if he hadn't been president? Yet we can't function as a president who can't be told everything and we can't prohibit someone from being president for a series of insecure lapses in their youth... and adulthood; at least we can't prohibit them long as we continue to ignore the 14th amendment, Section 3, and Article III, Section 3. I suspect all Congress-critters (but not staff) are also exempted and also major party presidential nominees.

39 posted on 05/28/2005 11:53:34 AM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (I)
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To: Brilliant
I think you're misinterpreting. He realizes that he'll never get elected President unless he releases it. So he's doing it now, hoping that the release will clear the way for another run.

I figure he is releasing them before Hillary gets a chance to leak them.

40 posted on 05/28/2005 12:19:46 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter
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To: NonValueAdded
"Will Kerry be allowed to redact information?"

I'm betting "yes" but, of course, Kerry and his MSM enablers and apologists will bob & weave, deny & deny, and stonewall in a massive cover up.

If Kerry has signed the form, you can absolutely count on there being nothing adverse left on record.

Guaranteed.

41 posted on 05/28/2005 12:32:47 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: bannie

Or maybe redact those portions he'd rather not let voters see.


42 posted on 05/28/2005 12:36:15 PM PDT by hershey
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To: SandRat
Not a chance, what with the duplicity of many, there's been some "sanitizing" going on. Now, if "Jugs" Burkett (Stolen Valor) was processing this, I would be very optimistic.
43 posted on 05/28/2005 12:44:17 PM PDT by brushcop (Remember SFC David Salie, a gentle giant of a man KIA (2-14-05) Iraq fighting for their liberty.)
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To: Prost1

"Once they are made public, the documents will either prove or disprove claims the Swift Boat veterans leveled against the senator during the 2004 presidential election campaign."

Poppycock, they've been sanitized.


44 posted on 05/28/2005 12:46:59 PM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and the rest can go to hell.)
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To: Prost1

Yeah right! I'll believe this when the papers are released. My question is: what's been doctored to his advantage?


45 posted on 05/28/2005 12:58:09 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: the Real fifi
I think the talk of "scrubbing" the records a bit on the paranpid side

Never heard of Sandy Berger huh? And those records were super secret, how hard would it be in comparison to get into personnel files at a low security site.

46 posted on 05/28/2005 1:43:28 PM PDT by itsahoot (If Judge Greer can run America then I guess just about anyone with a spine could do the same.)
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To: ProudVet77
My best guess is that he will send it to himself so he can clean it up.

I would not regard as meaningful any documentation not received directly from the government archives. If Kerry requests the documents and then distributes them, it would be trivial for him to "adjust" anything that needed "fixing".

47 posted on 05/28/2005 1:51:58 PM PDT by supercat (Sorry--this tag line is out of order.)
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To: Brilliant

Exactly..and he'll stall it and release it to the most favorable press under circumstances where the most favorable reading of them is out first before the truth catches up..


48 posted on 05/28/2005 2:02:51 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: Prost1
I guess the reason it took so long is they had to wait for Hillary to give them a copy.

They where probably hard for her to find.

They where more than likely under those that disappeared from the late Vince Foster's office.

49 posted on 05/28/2005 2:09:56 PM PDT by mississippi red-neck
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To: the Real fifi
He should have released them immediately, like every veteran here would have done (my belief).

Like my old Pappy (USMC) used to say... "He's a day late, and a dollar short".
50 posted on 05/28/2005 2:28:17 PM PDT by RedwM (Here's to you, Dad. Calling for Fire in Heaven.)
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